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Have RPG games lost their grasp?
Kaaru1990 | 10:50 AM on 09.03.2009 17 comments


Playstation 2 the definitive master of RPG gaming of its time, the Gameboy Advance and its predecessor the Gameboy Colour ultimate RPG handhelds that time just cant erase. So many wasted hours upon hours spent squat down cross legged in your bedroom staring so close at a digital/TV screen your eyes become that of Sony’s new upcoming EyePet, But was it really all worth it?


In my opinion yes, I would drop any boring day for a good smash up on Skies Of Arcadia or a nice afternoon round of Final Fantasy X, but what happened to that? That feeling of bonds or relations to the characters. Purposely spending hour after hour re watching cinematic’s you’ve seen countless times or grinding your mon’s to do the next gym on Pokémon for the 232213th time.
Have RPG games lost their grasp?


I remember all these times all too well and now I think what the hell happened?

When I was a child, we would all congregate outside each others houses trading are Pokémon or comparing RPG times anything and everything that revolved around those gaming universes (Until we would get complained at for not being out playing football or something). Even at school play times the first thing you’dreach into your bag for before your lunch would be the trusted ol Gameboy just so for a few moments of the day you could be taken away to another place.

Games today just tend to seem more effects, gun blazing action, which don’t get me wrong is great but it doesn’t hold the same quality as the old games we used to play. They just don’t seem to have that form of emotion grasp. Great titles like Final Fantasy VII and Tales Of Symphonia really form a relationship with the player where as games today seem to be more about the action, visuals and bonus content of which becomes dull after a week.


There are still good games today that attempt to have those emotional ties such as Eternal Sonata which come close but still no cake…

Are gamers more easily pleased by fancy visuals rather than emotional ties?

Maybe yes we are and the time for thrilling heart beating stories with characters that bring tears to the eye, that lift you’re arse off the sofa are long out the window or perhaps no, as we age we begin to accept reality as what it is and having less respect for the gaming world or are they even still there and I myself have just lost that grasp?

So for now I guess we will have to do with Enchanted Arms, Disgaea and Eternal Sonata and other titles but I for one await the day those emotional ties are reborn into RPG’s.



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Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 12:29
Gen Eric Gui
A lot of RPG's of yesteryear aren't even half as good as we remember them. Case in point: FF7. A game that barely reached mediocre status but which was imprinted in the minds of everyoone who played it because it was flashy and one of the first RPG's to be in 3D. You're not remembering games that formed "deep emotional bonds", you're just remembering the flash and bang of the old games through retro goggles.

Games today are a lot better and more technically sound then the ones that came out years ago.

Also, remember to proofread your blog before you post it next time. The grammar, the grammar, it HUUUUUUUUURTS.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 12:32
Chris Carter
In the vast marketplace? Yes, they have lost their main appeal with the advent of quick casual games, among other factors.

They still fulfill their niche, however, and will not die.
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 12:36
randombullseye
Lost Odysessy, Persona 3, and that's enough. Those two alone made me fall in love all over again and I barely beat one of them.

So yeah, RPGs have not lost anything. They're better than ever actually.

Also all the old RPGs are exactly as good as I remember them being.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 12:37
Elsa
I think that online play has changed gaming. This seems to be the reason for the rise of shooter games and possibly the demise of RPG games. Shooter games are all pretty much the same in terms of offline play, but in online play there is an addictive social element where people can play the same game (such as SOCOM or HALO) for many years.

Regarding RPG's, there are still many people that enjoy them, but I don't think we'll see a resurgence in RPG games until they start to have more of an online component. This seems to be one of the things about Fable, Borderlands and other upcoming games that has people excited. The Agency, the Superhero MMO's - people seem to want these. RPG's do tell a story, but they are a solitary adventure... when RPG's start to do the same as shooter games (have an offline story mode and an online mode they can play with friends) I think we may see them become more popular than shooter games. The potential is certainly there as FF online games have shown (not to mention WoW, Guild Wars and other MMO's) but I think that if they can add a social element to more standard RPG's they may become much more popular.

Myself, I never got into JRPG's for some reason. The primary characters seem very young, and love stories seem forced and more suited to teenagers rather than adult sensibilities. The western RPG's have just always appealed much more, so I can't really say why JRPG's might be losing their grasp on gaming. It does seem that western RPG's such as Oblivion and Fallout 3 possibly appear to an older group and maybe JRPG's aren't keeping up with the aging gamer base.

Eh... I probably got off track and rambled... but I tend to do that! :)
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 12:41
Elsa
I hate that we can't edit... "appear" should be "appeal". Western RPG's might appeal more to older gamers or gamers that are aging more than JRPG's. The average gamer age is getting older and older!
Deathofthedead's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 13:24
Deathofthedead
As RandomBullseye implies, I think you'd do well to investigate the Shin Megami Tensei series. Persona 4's my personal favorite, but they all do an admirable job of grabbing you with great writing, wonderful characters, and deep (and tough!) gameplay systems.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 13:27
JamnOnTheOne
"Playstation 2 the definitive master of JRPG gaming of its time"

Fixed for you.

Like Elsa, I'm old enough to have actually played the classic western RPGs when console folks were amazed at the Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger which I maintain is subpar when compared to classic western RPGs. To be honest, I find JRPGs completely stagnant and unwilling to enact drastic change. It's still the same mechanic (albeit with a few tweaks here and there) as the first Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest.
MiOdd's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 13:28
MiOdd
I think our age has a lot to do with it. I used to play my fair share of RPGs back in the SNES days but trying to get into a new RPG today is impossible for me, not because I think there is a lack of quality in today's games but because I personally just no longer find them enjoyable. Even when I went back to play an old favorite like Chrono Trigger, I just couldn't get into it.

RPGs are an odd genre, I never understood what it is I liked about them, I've always hated level grinding but I would continue to play anyways, I guess for the stories, which doesn't seem to have changed much. Today, I just don't have the time for them and I fear I'll never be able to recapture those emotions from RPGs of any year.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 13:33
Usedtabe
For me, due to the older games low quality visuals, I would put my own imagination to work to visualize what was happening on screen. I think that is what drew me in as a younger player, like books still do today. Now because visuals are realistic, I don't have to involve as much imagination, which it becomes almost like an interactive movie. Now I'm not complaining on the updated visuals we have, but I do wish games today required more involvement with your own imagination.
HappyZack's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 14:15
HappyZack
I agree with USEDTABLE. You had a rough outline of what your character looks like. You could then decided if Link was "Windwaker" or "Twighlight Princess." Not to mention you didn't have to deal with voice acting.

I also agree with MIODD. Our age also has something to do with it. RPGs used to strike an emotional cord. Now that I am not locked in my parents house with acne, RPGs do not have the same impact. Just like MMORPGs no longer apeal to me. With the exception of ST:O!
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 14:26
flabzilla
The fact that people find Eternal Sonata an acceptable possibly even good JRPG this generation just shows how far this genre has fallen.
Saskatchewhoa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 14:55
Saskatchewhoa
I agree with Elsa and Jamnontheone, JRPGs tend to cater to a younger audience, and frankly, just don't offer as much in the way of actual "roleplaying" as Western RPGS. Personally I think this is due to the extent to which Western RPG development has been influenced by Dungeons & Dragons. While some Western RPGs (such as the Baldur's Gate series and Planescape: Torment) have replicated quite faithfully the D&D game mechanic, only now are Western RPGs beginning to offer the relative freedom that D&D has always offered. Add in the social component brought to games via online multiplayer, and all of a sudden RPGs could become the social experience that D&D and other similar games represent. My friends and I have started playing D&D again very recently and it's amazing to me how much more I enjoy roleplaying with a group of people rather than alone.
Yehat's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 17:46
Yehat
Heh, I could remember when people were worried that the Western RPG was dying out in the face of the JRPG.

I'm not sure what is culling the herd of the JRPGs but I personally think it had to happen since while there were quite a few amazing ones there *was* a serious bloat of same-ish titles of JRPGs.

Ironically I notice a lot of JRPG companies are going back and actually making Western-like RPGs akin to the old Wizardry and Might & Magic Western series.
Musai's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 19:22
Musai
I actually agree with this.

I still have a ton of RPGs to play, but I find that they don't captivate me the same way that they used to, and yet when I go back to play my old RPGs, I'm completely sucked in. Funny how that works.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2009 20:07
Cowboy TTop
RPGs as a whole are going through change, but most of that is coming from the west, than the east now. Western rpgs were once behing jrpgs, but the japanese got high on success and the spectre of complencentcy now dogs them.

Lost Odyssey and Persona/SMT series are the only jrpgs of late, to move the eastern side of the genre forward, but its unfortunate that japanese developers learn or try new ideas at a very slow pace. There's also a sense of idol worship that goes on, where Square are the kings of the jrpg, and japan being very conformist, many developers hold them to too high esteem. I can understand this to a degree for Square have done some good things for jrpgs, but they also are the genres biggest crutch.

Without a doubt, its the free thinking renegades of Atlus, Mist Walker, Platinum Games and hopefully Tri Ace, that can make jrpgs evolve, out of their emo angst laced, mega grind rut.

From the western viewpoint, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Bioshock and Fable 2 are indeed more adult based rpgs, but they are also breaking the fantasy straight jacket grind, that has dog them for many years. Now we are starting to see different kinds of rpg universes emerge.

I admit, I too have become burnt out on jrpgs, because they have failed to change the formula enough over the years, possibly not to alienate japanese gamers. This is why many of us are becoming turned off. FFXIII and XIV may sell well, but the day might come when many of us stop playing them and sales start to dip, if they haven't already.

What would change things for the better for jrpgs? Their devs learning to use the concept of hard drive quick saves, real believable characters, better stories (even one set in the real world), and for them to learn from other devs, something many japanese devs seem to fear. Delivering DLC is something japanese developer also have to adjust too.

So far, jrpgs that look promising are Resonance of Fate and Infinite Space, to take the jrpg forward. FFXIV looks like that last, so it gets no love from me. Western rpgs are on a good track for the future, though.

I do agree, that as we get older, you only have so much time and patience. I'm 31, and have countless jrpgs I haven't finished. Kids have more time.
Kaaru1990's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/05/2009 16:49
Kaaru1990
Thanks for all your replys its made me really think about the topic.

After much reading of replys and my own views i do tend to favour the fact that as we age we tend to lose the amoutn of time we have for these games. I suppose you could use the term "the magic fades", But with alot JRPG'S the magic is still there, you just got to look for it.

And as for the online aspect, yes i do think that would help the gaming community alot round RPG'S.

I just hope the upcoming FF games will do some good.
youkilledmyguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 03:42
youkilledmyguy
It's not just that we have less time for games. It's that you've gotten older and realized more about human relationships. The surface level interactions of most RPG characters don't connect with you because now that you are older you understand what it really takes to connect with someone.
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