Nice read.
For the record, most big games get multiple reviews on Destructoid.
I don't get the hating on GTA IV nowadays either. People are cutting their noses off to spite their face.
For the record, most big games get multiple reviews on Destructoid.
I don't get the hating on GTA IV nowadays either. People are cutting their noses off to spite their face.
Also, I didn't realise Carlsberg did girlfriends? You got a keeper.
I look forward to that montage....
I look forward to that montage....
I'm with Clance, I loved GTAIV. When I hear people say it was so bad they didn't even finish it I don't really get it. I put about 50 hours into whether it was just running around the city or spending my time in the main story.
Anyway, enjoy your PS3 and don't forget to join us for FNF.
Anyway, enjoy your PS3 and don't forget to join us for FNF.
You do realize you a playing an almost completely different version of Lair then the one that was actually released right? When the game first came out it was hit hard with low review scores thanks to a forced and non-accurate sixaxis control scheme, a horrible lock-on system, and lots of graphical errors.
About 9 months after the game came out though a patch was released which helped to solve a lot of these problems, including a completely different analog pad driven control scheme. This however was an entire 9 months after the game came out, after it was already shunned and ignored by much of the game community.
Now the score the game got when it was released was completely warranted in many respects. However, considering the game is completely different does bring up the question of whether it should be re-reviewed. THis is a good question actually ...
About 9 months after the game came out though a patch was released which helped to solve a lot of these problems, including a completely different analog pad driven control scheme. This however was an entire 9 months after the game came out, after it was already shunned and ignored by much of the game community.
Now the score the game got when it was released was completely warranted in many respects. However, considering the game is completely different does bring up the question of whether it should be re-reviewed. THis is a good question actually ...
Reviews will always be subjective and, depending on where you read them, heavily influenced by external factors (like advertising, hype, paychecks, etc).
For me, the two best sources of information about a game are gameplay videos and trusted friends' opinions.
Seeing the game in action for yourself through video should be able to give you an idea if the action is the kind you're into. If it's great, then all you really need to find out is if there's enough variety/levels/story/replayability.
With a community like this one, you could hop into Dtoid's Friday Night Fights (loads of fucking fun) and hear what they might have to say about certain games. There are usually enough people for you to be bound to find someone with similar tastes!
For me, the two best sources of information about a game are gameplay videos and trusted friends' opinions.
Seeing the game in action for yourself through video should be able to give you an idea if the action is the kind you're into. If it's great, then all you really need to find out is if there's enough variety/levels/story/replayability.
With a community like this one, you could hop into Dtoid's Friday Night Fights (loads of fucking fun) and hear what they might have to say about certain games. There are usually enough people for you to be bound to find someone with similar tastes!
@SilverDragon1979
It would be hard not to notice since it comes up with a great big "THERE IS A PATCH FOR THIS GAME".
However I still play with sixaxis. I played it like that before the patch, and apart from Dash and 180 turn, it works very well. I couldn't understand the backlash.
But then after 2 years of Waggling on Wii, perhaps I know what the limitations of motion control are, and can use it more effectively?
In the PC circle, it's not rare for games to get better after release, either from the devs themselves (GalCiv 2 improved with patches, adding content without needing to buy an expansion pack), or the community (Morrowind/Oblivion, HL1/2 mods).
It's another (sometimes huge) feature that gets ignored, all in favour of rushing the review to be first.
It would be hard not to notice since it comes up with a great big "THERE IS A PATCH FOR THIS GAME".
However I still play with sixaxis. I played it like that before the patch, and apart from Dash and 180 turn, it works very well. I couldn't understand the backlash.
But then after 2 years of Waggling on Wii, perhaps I know what the limitations of motion control are, and can use it more effectively?
In the PC circle, it's not rare for games to get better after release, either from the devs themselves (GalCiv 2 improved with patches, adding content without needing to buy an expansion pack), or the community (Morrowind/Oblivion, HL1/2 mods).
It's another (sometimes huge) feature that gets ignored, all in favour of rushing the review to be first.
PS - Grats on the PS3!
PPS - SilverDragon is completely right about the complete-game-overhaul that was given to Lair with its control patch.
Personally, it boggles me when developers improve upon negative facets of their game, yet there is no real source of detailed information about how the alterations improved the game except for first-hand accounts from people on forums or communities like Dtoid.
There isn't a doubt in my mind that major patches themselves should be reviewed by major gaming sites.
PPS - SilverDragon is completely right about the complete-game-overhaul that was given to Lair with its control patch.
Personally, it boggles me when developers improve upon negative facets of their game, yet there is no real source of detailed information about how the alterations improved the game except for first-hand accounts from people on forums or communities like Dtoid.
There isn't a doubt in my mind that major patches themselves should be reviewed by major gaming sites.
@Clance
Yes she has a great big green sticker on her arse. Definitely not letting her go any time soon, though ironically this involves less time for gaming!
Damn it all!
Yes she has a great big green sticker on her arse. Definitely not letting her go any time soon, though ironically this involves less time for gaming!
Damn it all!
@JustLikeBuck - I completely agree about the ridiculousness of rushing to review games as quickly as possible.
Reviews themselves should be giving general ideas and opinions to those who haven't yet decided on purchasing a game.
When these titles are glitched, the review should definitely make note of that, but they should also immediately inform the public (by an updated review or review of the patch specifically) about whatever fix the game is given.
A very similar dialogue took place after the review of Luc Bernard's Eternity's Child, which was bugged to the point of being nearly unplayable.
Apparently there was a patch released around the day after the game went on sale, yet I'm unaware of what it actually fixed because the review was written before the patch was available and it did not get updated.
Reviews themselves should be giving general ideas and opinions to those who haven't yet decided on purchasing a game.
When these titles are glitched, the review should definitely make note of that, but they should also immediately inform the public (by an updated review or review of the patch specifically) about whatever fix the game is given.
A very similar dialogue took place after the review of Luc Bernard's Eternity's Child, which was bugged to the point of being nearly unplayable.
Apparently there was a patch released around the day after the game went on sale, yet I'm unaware of what it actually fixed because the review was written before the patch was available and it did not get updated.
I agree that reviews should be updated if a patch fixes problems the reviewer had with a game. Sometimes I have difficulty finding out if the problems mentioned in a review have been resolved yet.
@Arttemis
Yeah there does seem to be a need to update the plebs.
Every time I buy a game I google it with the word "patch". In my eyes it means the developer at least cares enough to update the game... either that of they're contractually obliged to get it to a workable state.
It would be nice that reviews were updated; not re-reviewed, but perhaps an update, and a possible shift in score? I don't care what the game was like on (or in many cases before) release, I want to know what it's like now!
But, I'm not the sort to buy a game on release day; games are far too expensive to be risking £40 on the say-so of someone who got far too excited by the beta. Catch-22, indeed ;)
Yeah there does seem to be a need to update the plebs.
Every time I buy a game I google it with the word "patch". In my eyes it means the developer at least cares enough to update the game... either that of they're contractually obliged to get it to a workable state.
It would be nice that reviews were updated; not re-reviewed, but perhaps an update, and a possible shift in score? I don't care what the game was like on (or in many cases before) release, I want to know what it's like now!
But, I'm not the sort to buy a game on release day; games are far too expensive to be risking £40 on the say-so of someone who got far too excited by the beta. Catch-22, indeed ;)
Welcome to the Dark Side. As you see, it causes you to challenge the "system" :P.
Great write up by the way. A lot of what you said is so true.
Great write up by the way. A lot of what you said is so true.
You want a perfect example? Look at Jim's review of Warriors Orochi 2. He gave it a crap score because of the slowdown that was fixed a week or two later. AND wasn't even present on the PS2 version of the game.
So the big Koei fan says the game is crap... people'd think it's the worst thing they've ever done. But it got patched and runs smooth now.
I also believe that a game should only be reviewed after the reviewer is very comfortable with it. It's completely unfair to review any game before you've beaten it (assuming it has an ending), and at least seen what type of "extra" content is involved. By extra, I'm talking all the optional stuff, achievements, post game, sidequests, create a player, whatever.
So the big Koei fan says the game is crap... people'd think it's the worst thing they've ever done. But it got patched and runs smooth now.
I also believe that a game should only be reviewed after the reviewer is very comfortable with it. It's completely unfair to review any game before you've beaten it (assuming it has an ending), and at least seen what type of "extra" content is involved. By extra, I'm talking all the optional stuff, achievements, post game, sidequests, create a player, whatever.
@Remoraz
Sometimes a bad review is justified. Reviews also work to make sure a game is up to scratch on release, it shouldn't be the players acting as unpaid testers. however when it's reviewed a 2 or a 3, but still enjoyable, I start to question the review.
I've played plenty of "bad" games, and found they were either misunderstood (which is as possible as someone not "getting" a film), hated because of something it's not (Nights on Wii was hated by fans of the original, but I thought it was pretty good, waggle excused), or dumped on based on the status quo.
@Mr Wilson = Cheers!
Sometimes a bad review is justified. Reviews also work to make sure a game is up to scratch on release, it shouldn't be the players acting as unpaid testers. however when it's reviewed a 2 or a 3, but still enjoyable, I start to question the review.
I've played plenty of "bad" games, and found they were either misunderstood (which is as possible as someone not "getting" a film), hated because of something it's not (Nights on Wii was hated by fans of the original, but I thought it was pretty good, waggle excused), or dumped on based on the status quo.
@Mr Wilson = Cheers!
Reviews are worthless, they are just one man's opinion of the game and you don't know if that person might have a bias against the genre.
Or they just review it based on the hype, I've seen far to many reviews where some game gets an 11/10 and then another less hyped game with the same flaws is given a lower score.
Reviewers MUST be objective and a lot of them don't show that, even here, you can rent most games so I don't really see why people pay attention to them.
On another end you could also focus on the genres you like(like I do), I'm not gonna rush out and buy Catz 2 but I'll look at other stuff in the action adventure genre, RPG's, etc.
I'll be honest, IF I had paid attention to reviews, I would have missed out on a lot of good overlooked titles.
Or they just review it based on the hype, I've seen far to many reviews where some game gets an 11/10 and then another less hyped game with the same flaws is given a lower score.
Reviewers MUST be objective and a lot of them don't show that, even here, you can rent most games so I don't really see why people pay attention to them.
On another end you could also focus on the genres you like(like I do), I'm not gonna rush out and buy Catz 2 but I'll look at other stuff in the action adventure genre, RPG's, etc.
I'll be honest, IF I had paid attention to reviews, I would have missed out on a lot of good overlooked titles.

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