So I'm playing GTA IV, and decided to go on an ever ending quest to eradicate the city of human life. In the days of Vice City and San Andreas, killing random civilians was always a blast, riding down the sidewalks at full speed and barreling through traffic in a tank or dump truck. The random and senseless violence was always fun and stress relieving, but only because those games were so cartoony, so unreal, that it seemed entertaining. I realized that in the course of playing part IV, I had never gone on a completely bat shit rampage, just killing everything in site. I have beaten the game, and still I hadn't done this yet. So I ran to the local gun store, stocked up on rocket launcher ammo and grenades and decided to paint the town red. (that was corny as hell but screw you it's my blog)
It didn't last very long...The cops eventually took me out so I said screw it, time to kill some hookers. Ah the hooker, the street walker supreme, the diva of the night, just out to make a buck or two. I got into my Infernus and scoped out the scene to find me a midnight momma. I found an area on the third island where hookers seem to flock like moths to a flame. I grabbed one and threw her in my car and drove down a dark alley to get serviced. 70 dollars and one cigarette later she got out of the car and started to leave. Fuck that, I want my money back, out comes the desert eagle and BAM, no more hooker. That was when it all changed.
I walked over to the corpse to get my money back when it suddenly hit me, a pang of guilt. Fuck, I just killed this chick. I actually felt bad. Early on in the game, in a mission for Little Jacob, you have to wait out back and make sure the dealers don't try to cheese it out the back door, I ran over two as they fled but missed the third. I got out and fired, hit the guy in the shoulder and he looked at me like, "Well shit, here we go", and I shot again, nailing him in the dome and bringing him down. This is the first time it happened, the first time I felt bad for killing someone in GTA. GTA, Grand Theft Auto...a game where you can commit mass genocide and it's ok, but now, in IV, it just seems so different.
Maybe it's the fact that Niko is such a nice guy, or at least tries to be, or maybe it's because this game is pretty goddamn realistic in it's portrayal of violence. Perhaps it's the euphoria engine that makes it so bad, people grab their arms or legs or limp away in pain when they are hurt. Whatever it was, I feel bad for killing innocent people in this game. Only now do I realize that that sounds terrible, It's not ok to kill people, murder is bad, but when done in a cartoonish fashion or over the top goofy ways, it's cool. I'm obviously not abdicating anything here, you know what I mean so shut up.
I don't get it, I've been killing people for years in video games and I've never felt like this before. Either way...has anyone else felt this? Maybe not in this game in particular but in any game have any of you ever felt any real guilt for what you've done?
I feel the same way.
Sometimes I decide to go on a rampage and when I've got my gun aimed at someone, and their begging me to leave them alone, I do. I can't pull the trigger and I just walk away.
I'm such a pussy
So far, whenever I've been given the opportunity to spare someone's life in GTA, I've let them walk. Except for Vlad, because he was a dick.
I don't know what it is, but when someone tells me to go kill this guy who owes some money, I can't do it. I see too much of Niko in him I guess. I mean, what has this guy done but get himself into debt, the same as the Bellic cousins?
I guess that's a testament to the character development in the game, that I stop and think "Niko wouldn't want to do that."
@ Sarin
Or perhaps, we gamers are a more civilized bunch than what we're told we are.
Well said...and I totally agree about Vlad...what a putz.
Vlad deserved it. Random dude on the street? Not so much.
Unless they're an asshole to me. Then I kneecap 'em. But usually it's enough to wave my gun around until everyone within 100 yards runs away.
Seriously though, I even feel bad crashing into other cars sometimes (though not stealing them for some strange reason). I think, "I caused that accident, and there's no way in hell he's getting my insurance information. That fella is screwed."
I'd say its the Euphoria engine, and it's freaked me out more than once. Its actually kinda scary when you start to shoot people in a crowd, and you realise that this is how people would really react. If they take a bullet to the gut, sometimes they tumble down and stay down, but sometimes they struggle to pick themselves up and keep limp away.... and then you feel like a real asshole.
Still, that didn't stop me from kicking a woman down some stairs, and then continue to kick her everythime she picked herself up for about half an hour.
Nicely written. It's all about Niko.. he's just such a cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything. You find yourself wanting to walk in his shoes and try to make it, without getting your hands too dirty along the way. I find myself using more judgement calls in IV than any other past GTA. Something to do with the physics and AI, but people on the street seem more real.
For instance, it doesn't feel right to just shoot someone in the head. But if they pull a gun or try to start a fight, self preservation is a must. It's funny that some NPCs in the game will even try to brawl with you if you point a gun at them. That is some weird fight or flight shit.
First time I played through I spared everyone I could.
For those who have finished I actaully stood for a few minutes deciding whether to kill the last guy you have a choice to spare. It was so hard to leave him. That's when I realised how great the story and characters were.
Sorta the same for same, I only kill the proper assholes. Spared everyone I could in the story, except Vlad and the last two choices (you know who they are!). Who were total dicks.
Usually I'll avoid shooting people on the street, apart from that psycho babbler outside the safehouse in Bohan. He scares me, so I shotgun him.
Color me psychotic, but the Euphoria engine makes me shoot people in the limbs every now and then. They act funny and always different. Notice the effect of a pedestrian beeing shot in the raised palm with 9mm and then compare it to effect of Desert Eagle.
Or when in car, I sometimes play "pick up" - the goal of this game is to hit people in such a way that they end up on the hood of your car. Then you have to ballance the vehicle and make the person stay on your hood for as long as possible.
Oh and I love it when I jack a car and the driver wants to claim it back and grabs the handle... ^^
lol everyone on dtoid feels the same. i prefer to only wound them so that they're no longer a threat whenever i'm in a fight. or i stick my gun in their face when they wanna fuck with me. before any civilian trying to fight me would be fucked.
wOAH... I felt the same way when playing GTA4. Before, in the older games, I would just go on rampages and kill everyone I saw. Now, I actually want the let the innocent get away.
Well, at least I still have fun killing civilians in Oblivion.