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Square Enix makes excuses as I grow tired of notion of "hardcore gamers"
Jonathan Holmes | 6:34 AM on 01.08.2008 21 comments




So, Square-Enix is having a bit of a rough patch in Japan. Their games are selling well, especially on the DS, but apparently not up to their standards. Their excuse? The "core" gamer has deserted them.

Interview here.

So I gotta ask, any one else sick of hearing guys like this or Reggie from Nintendo talk about "core" gamers or "hardcore" gamers or what ever they're calling us today like they know anything about how we think?

I personally think the term "hardcore" gamer needs to die, or at least drastically change in it's definition. It doesn't mean anything to me anymore. One self professed "hardcore" gamer will say that their two favorite games of last year were Super Mario Galaxy and Geometry Wars Galaxies, another would say they hate both of those games because they aren't "hardcore" enough. It's like if one self professed vegetarian ate nothing but veggie-burgers, while others would only eat chocolate. While technically both vegetarians, they are so vastly different that I don't think using the same name to describe them makes much sense.

There are two distinct types of gamers that identify as "hardcore", those play games like they were a sport, and those that play them like they are art. There is the "hardcore" gamer who only plays games like plays WoW or Halo 3 but does so every night, then there is the "hardcore" gamer who wants to play every kind of game out their because they are in love with the medium as a whole.

When Reggie says that Mario Galaxy is Nintendo's gift to "hardcore" gamers for 2007, he has to know that at least 50% of self-identified "hardcore" gamers out there (the WoW and Halo 3 types described above) would never play the game. It makes him sound ignorant to what gamers want. But what if he used a different term, a term like "diehard" or "long time" or " lettuce-head" gamers? I think he would have sounded less stupid. Still a little dumb, but not as much.

The Square-Enix guy is even more ridiculous sounding, because he is not only mislabeling gamers, but using his mislabeling to blame gamers for his company's poor sales. The "core" gamer is a live and well in Japan, if you define "core" gamer as someone who loves all kinds of video games despite their lack of graphical complexity . This kind of "core" gamer buys a DS over a PSP, a Wii over a 360, despite their weaker CPU's. That's the kind of "core" gamer Japan is obviously jam packed with, but not the kind Square-Enix caters to.

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Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:10
Jim Sterling
I'm actually planning an article on the "casual gamer" nonsense, because it's really going too far. I've always said "hardcore" gets abused in the same way "casual" does. Both terms are actually a myth, nothing but buzz terms used to draw a dividing line that doesn't actually exist. I could say more, but I'm writing out what I think for the mainpage, so I'll just say this to Squeenix:

Try developing some original fucking games and you might see more sales. Don't go hiding behind a buzzterm because it's trendy, you fucking pricks.
VWGTI's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:23
VWGTI
Dude, awesome write up Tron!

then there is the "hardcore" gamer who wants to play every kind of game out their because they are in love with the medium as a whole.

This quote describes me to a T. I purchase countless video games to play, collect, and experience because that is my hobby and my passion. I own games that are labled childish, garbage, epic, and classic. I am a "hardcore" gamer because of this, or would it be better to call me a gaming enthusiast?
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:29
Y0j1mb0
Reggie's focus should just be on developing MORE quality games and getting their third party support to stop delivering shit. Be it for Hardcore, casual, diehard, old school..it's just a bunch of tags they throw out there hoping we lach on to them to better market their games.
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:31
atheistium
Great write up. However I do believe as society as a whole - we create labels because of need.

I used to be all "IM TOTALLY ME, DON'T LABEL ME!" but as I grow older I think labels are needed to gain some sort of satisfaction as to who you are.

If a gamer is someone who has played a video game then the whole fucking world are gamers. I think casual and hardcore is labels to keep. They are not offensive so anyone to be fair and it's easier to distinguish people.

Knowing if someone is casual or hardcore is easier at knowing what they will understand when you go on at them about games that are coming out or old games they would know about. Knowing what their limits are etc.

I'm not saying that we have to have labels I am just saying it's easier to distinguish between gamers as a whole.
WhiteSpyderZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:45
WhiteSpyderZero
*applauds*

As far as I'm concerned, developers should worry about making good games instead of worrying over labels. If a game isn't selling, it's either not marketed well, or is just plain shite (or both).

I pray that the casual/hardcore crap will stop soon.
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:51
dprime
It'll be like exercise. I can do it.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 07:52
BlindsideDork
I'd like to think that hardcore gamers go to video game conventions and I saw a lot of games that people claim are not "hardcore" being played.

Or I am sitll delirious!
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 08:00
Cowzilla3
You do need terms to differentiate between the types of gamers becasue there is a difference between what we call hardcore and what we call casual gamers. The problem is that within these two categories there are so many sub sets that overlap you can't really call them either fi you actually sit down and think about it.
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 08:13
galagabug
interesting.

only reason i'd ever call myself a 'hardcore gamer' is because i like to wrap rubber bands around my testicles while i play sitting on nothing but a block of ice. yeah, i'm hardcore.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 08:37
shipero
Darn, galagabug beat me to that joke, only my example of my "hardcoreness" was going to be eating glass while playing.

The only problem I have with the hardcore/casual labels is that it sometimes seems that you can be only one or the other. I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer by any stretch of the imagination, I hate playing competitively and sometimes art games bore me. However, I know I'm not a casual gamer either, I've sunk too much time and money into my hobby for it to be considered "casual".
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 08:56
blehman
"then there is the "hardcore" gamer who wants to play every kind of game out their because they are in love with the medium as a whole."

Technically it's there, not their. (sorry)

And shipero took my point. I like playing games to be playing games. I like fun. Competetive gaming bores me, mostly because I don't sink enough time into becoming "1337" at them. I'm sorry, I don't have that kind of time and commitment. I like to play the game, have fun with it, complete it the best I can, and move on.
Lukich's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 09:07
Lukich
There's definitely enough variety of gamers out there for a distinction to exist, but at the same time there are a lot of different ideas for what the terms "hardcore" and "casual" actually define. Square-Enix is definitely punking out with the excuses though
BigPopaGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 09:31
BigPopaGamer
When a company starts blaming the people they are trying to sell a game to then they have definitely lost touch with the consumers. I'm sorry Square-Enix, but maybe if you made some games we gave a damn about, the 'core' gamers as you call them, would come back.

As for the whole hardcore title, what does it matter in the long run? If you like playing WoW and that's all you play, then that's fine. If you like playing Halo 3 or Call of Duty or Mario, cool with me. I think labeling gamers based on what they play is stupid.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 10:30
king3vbo
Every time I see your banner, I have to go change my pants.
ZargonX's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 10:47
ZargonX
Yeah, it's really just all excuses and doublespeak for saying "we don't actually know what people want anymore." Slapping a Final Fantasy label on something or making the prettiest FPS out there doesn't guarantee sales anymore because a lot of people (myself included) are just getting tired of it. Innovation comes from smaller companies now, it seems, so if that's where our dollars (or yen) go, then maybe the big guys should pay attention...
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 11:20
Jonathan Holmes
Woah, not a bad response for a C-blog. Thanks everybody!

I didn't have time to write this up a thoroughly as I would have liked, as I was already late for work. But when I saw that Square-Enix interview, I just had to say something.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 11:33
Rockvillian
Great write up! I like playing games, that's it - I don't know what I am since I'm insane at games like Smash and adventure stuff, but can't last 2 seconds on Power Drop or Street Fighter. Also if it's designated as a "casual" game and hardcore gamers like it, it becomes a hardcore game. Labels are fucking retarded, at least from the marketing perspective.

And I'm totally with Sterling about Squeenix. I'd finally play a Squeenix game all the way through if they'd put their talent and effort into something totally new. Right now though, their turds are getting too big to fit out their butts.

I got that awesome analogy from my boss.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 11:38
blehman
*quietly steals rockvillian's analogy*
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 11:51
F Whipple
I too hate the words "harcore" and "casual." People just need to STFUAJPG
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 12:40
Dynamic Sheep
why isn't this frontpaged?
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2008 16:28
Jonathan Holmes
Sheep, I didn't think it was worth the front page. Plus, I wrote it in like five minutes before going to work.

Unless Jim beasts me to it, I may do a more long winded, references and pic packed front page version of this for the weekend or something.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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