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Quick Blog: KOF XII Vs BlazBlue, N64 loving Wii haters, and Game Center CX 2
Jonathan Holmes | 12:17 PM on 07.26.2009 35 comments


There are so many idea I want to blog about every week, but I never get a chance to fully flesh out them into full fledged posts. I'm going to try and put a few of them into bulletpoint cblogs once a week, which I guess is better than nothing.



* I may or may not end up on the review team for KoF XII, so this may be the only time you hear from me on the game. In short, if the only thing you expect from a 2D fighter is great graphics, a well balanced roster, solid fighting system and online play, buy the game. It delivers on those four counts more so than even BlazBlue or SF IV. However, if you want anything more than that, like unlockables, single player modes, etc, then forget it. This is a straight arcade port, with less home console exclusive features than even Street Fighter 2 on the SNES.

* As for the "Vs BlazBlue" thing, I'm only going to talk about graphics. In my opinion, Kof XII looks better than BlazBlue in just about every way. The big difference is, Kof XII looks like a videogame; a brilliantly animated, sprite-based masterpiece, with animation almost as fluid as Street Fighter 3, but with larger, more detailed sprites. On the other hand, BlazBlue looks like it's trying not to look like a videogame. The way the characters are drawn, colored, and designed all scream "I wish I was anime", and as such, you can't help but compare it visually to actual anime instead of to other games.

Instead of rejecting it's pixel based origins, KoF XII's graphics say "I know I'm a videogame, and I'll show you just how god damned awesome a videogame can look". Don't get me wrong, BlazBlue defintely looks amazing, and if HD is your thing, then you'll likely prefer it, but for sprite-based graphics whores like myself, KoF XII if the new king of graphics.



* Is it still cool to hate the Wii? I sort of assumed that with all the quality "hardcore" games on the console of late that the public "Wii bashing fad" would have come to an end. I mean, I still understand why it's not everyone's favorite console, but with so many great games on the the thing now (Tales of Monkey Island hits WiiWare tomorrow BTW), my only guess is that the continued Wii-hating fad must be somewhat personal.

My long standing theory is that a lot kids who grew up with the N64 will always hate the Wii, because hating it makes them feel grown up, and that another ten years from now, these same kids will love the latest Nintendo console out of nostalgia for their youth. I remember that's how a lot of people who grew up with the NES were towards the N64 when it was first released, and it's these same 30-somethings who are now buying the Wii to relive their childhoods and give their kids the chance to "grow up with Nintendo".

If you were ten when you loved Nintendo, it stands to reason that you will hate whatever Nintendo console is released when you are 18, because you want to prove to yourself and the world that you aren't ten anymore. So how about it Wii-haters, does my theory stand-up to testing? How old are you now, and what Nintendo console did you grow up with (if any).



* Game Center CX 2 (Retro Game Challenge 2 if and when it leaves Japan) is totally amazing. I loved the original, but this game is better in every way. I actually suspect that the reason it wont come out in the States is because this sequel almost completely replaces the original. If RGC2 were ever to sit along side RGC1 in stores, no one would buy ever buy RGC1 ever again. I'm only a few hours in and I've already unlocked totally superior versions of Cosmic Gate and Haggleman (two of the first games you play in RGC1), which makes putting RGC1 into my DSi seem sort of useless now.

RGC2 not only replaces the original, it also outperforms it. The new games here are just amazing, better than most stand alone WiiWare/XBLA/PSN retro throwbacks. For the most part, the original RGC featured games that looked and played like authentic NES games. To assure that authenticity, it was important to not make any of the games too good, lest it become clear that you aren't playing "real" fake NES games. The exception to that was Haggleman 3, which in my opinion is just slightly better animated and features slightly better gameplay than than even the best games in the NES's library.

GC CX 2 picks up right where Haggleman 3 left off, as the games here are just slightly better than any I'd expect to find on the NES. Wiz Man, the Pac-Man/Ikagura hybrid, is just a little bit more clever than any maze-based title from the early days of the NES. The Kung-Fu inspired game you unlock next is just a little bit more awesome than any side scrolling beat 'em up that ever actually showed up on the NES. The game just animates to smoothly, and has a combo system that is just a little too good for the (fake) time that it was released (1985).

You also beat up semi-realistic bears in the game regularly. Maybe there was an NES game that awesome back in 1985, but I know I never played it.

The Demon Returns, the third game you unlock, probably could have been a real NES game, but way it combines the coolest aspects of Adventure Island, Super Mario Bros, and Ghosts N Goblins seems just a little too good to be true. It's not quite as amazing as the Kun-Fu game, but it's still fantastic. The need to ride your enemies in order to get a running start for jumping otherwise untraverseble pits is pretty much genius.

I just got to the next game, a text based RPG in the spirit of Snatcher/Policenaughts, and it may be a while before I get through it. Once I do, I'll polish of the rest of the game and do an import review. Don't be surprized if it's a 10/10.

OK, enough ranting, back to playing Another Code R for review. God Damn, this game is "gradual"!



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Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 13:29
Krow
Heh, I don't fit that theory very well Doctor Holmes. I love the Wii.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 13:31
DaedHead8
Was it ever cool to hate the Wii?
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 13:37
nilcam
It seems to be cooler to hate and/or be unimpressed with King of Fighters XII than to hate on Wii.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 13:51
Chris Carter
Game Center CX 2 sounds amazing!

@Nil
Maybe because SFIV was a popular, faux-new experience, Blazblue was utterly new and surrounded by hype, and KOFXII seems to be a nicer looking version of the same SNK we know and love, so it's niche. I think the same people would have hated any SNK fighting game.

New fighting game fans astound me. They're fighting over how good Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 "is going to be" when all of us have played it for nearly a decade.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:03
Monodi
Wait, what? But I grew up with my N64 and I think the Wii is a great system too.

... or unless you mean people that their first system to ever try was the N64, that's another story. The first one I played was the SNES.

I love how GCX2 looks, I love the concept of fake Famicom games that never existed.

Dammit I should buy the first one IGSLGFSFGLSF stupid money
de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:15
de BLOO
Cblogs are 550px wide, newb.

Also, Joe is reminding me of Adon everytime I see him...
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:19
eternalplayer2345
"pac-man/ikaruga hybrid" I need to import this like today
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:22
Krow
Also, if you think those games are good, Super Demon Returns is going to blow your mind.
conehead the barbarian's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:25
conehead the barbarian
I am 18 and I love my wii, but I did actually grow up with an NES before I got an N64. Its weird because my friends that play games all have 360's and are much more of "casual" gamers than I am. By this I mean they only play COD, Gears, and Madden, then they say, "the wii is a kiddy console with no real games."
Danl Haas's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:38
Danl Haas
I grew up with the SNES, and Nintendo consoles have been my primary console ever since. But I also still play Pokemon, so I guess I never really decided I wasn't ten.
PKN's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:40
PKN
My console timeline: NES, SNES, N64, Dreamcast, PS2/GC/XBox, Wii, PS3

Only console I ever sold out of disgust was the Wii. (Most of the others I sold when my debt caught up with me.) I paid $600 for it the first christmas it was out and turned around and sold it for $250 to a friend of mine. It was the most dissapointing console I ever bought. It didn't do anything I expected it to and it turned into a fun N64 emulator for a while but it didn't offer any reason to keep it.

I have given up on motion controls for now. Some day a console will offer more of a virtual world and I will probably give it a shot again for better or worse. The wii just isn't my style.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:47
Kyle MacGregor
I grew up on a street with three families with kids, one had a NES, one had a Genesis and I had a SNES. So whether it was Duck Hunt, Sonic or Mario All Stars...I loved it.

Lately, Sonic has been rather shit. I haven't played a new Sonic game to completion since Adventure. Mario I just don't care about anymore. I haven't played one of his since Mario 64. I'm actually more interested in the 3rd party lineups lately than the 1st party titles. Weird.

I do wish the Wii was a little more sometimes, but I don't think I'll ever hate Nintendo. I'd like to see Reggie go away, I will hate things like Nintendogs, and scratch my head at Wii Music while I wait for things like Kid Icarus and Starfox.

However, I realize a lot of people don't share my sentiments and see the Wii as something for the expanded audience and people like me lost interest, gave up hope and migrated over to the Playstations and Xboxs a long time ago.
Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 14:51
Diverse
I never understood console bashing. Maybe because growing up my parents were able to afford all the big consoles in each generation for me since I started with the SNES/Genesis? I don't know. I always just try to find the positive in a console instead of hating on it because it gets less playtime compared to some other consoles I'm currently using.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 15:12
Topher Cantler
Console bashing at all is stupid, just like console fanboyism. All three of them suck in their own special way, and all three are great for their own reasons. Given, the Wii is probably my least favorite of the three, but you can bet I'll still play the hell out of anything good that comes out for it.

Too much love or hate for any one of them means you're just cheating yourself out of good games, and are thusly an idiot.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 16:14
Excel-2011
I have a PSP now. Can I hate it too?
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 17:43
TheCleaningGuy
Little King's Story.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 17:58
Jonathan Holmes
@ PKN- OK, that was the best reason to be disgusted with the Wii that I've ever heard. $600 is way too much.

That said, if you like videogmaes, you'll probably end up owning one again, because it's got some great videogames on it.

@ Everyone- Looks N64 lovers = Wii haters theory has totally failed. Ah well, back to the drawing board.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 18:07
Jonathan Holmes
Oop. Look "like my"...

Crap. I failed.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 18:20
Daxelman
Boom Blox > Little King's Story.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 18:21
Kyle MacGregor
@Holmes
Your sample audience might be a little skewed.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 18:24
Jonathan Holmes
Am I retarded now? Can't type right.

@ Daxelman- Apples > Oranges.

@ Cad- You may be right. Also, I bet people who actually are N64 loving Wii haters may not comment here, because, well, why would they?
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 19:41
Bob Muir
Your theory doesn't stand up (I had an N64 as a 10 year old), but then again, I don't hate the Wii; I'm merely disappointed in what the results were. I was amazingly hyped up for its release to the point of fanboyism, and to be honest, the system itself, while obviously lacking in power, is fine. I'm more disappointed in the fact that developers have not pushed it to the heights it should have achieved, and I'm most disappointed in Nintendo for not reaching the highs it achieved during the Gamecube era. (People may say that the Gamecube was third place last generation, but I found it to be my favorite system.) There are certainly good games out for Wii, and I've got some of them (and need to buy more one of these days), but I don't feel the same sort of affection that my DS receives for its fantastic library.

And the biggest disappointment about the Wii? The Virtual Console. What had the potential to basically consume my life and allow me to catch up on almost every old game I could wish for (I entered gaming during the N64 and Game Boy Color days) has basically been dropped by Nintendo, who still have plenty of games they could put out for it, leaving Sega to fill up the releases with Genesis titles alongside the occasional Commodore 64 game. Japan got so much more out of the platform than the US did, though even then Nintendo didn't exploit it fully. (And I'm still extremely bitter that Konami stopped caring about it in the US just after they released the original Turbo Duo version of Castlevania: Dracula X in Japan, meaning we'll never see it on the US VC.)

But other than me, I think you've got some interesting insight for the average Wii hater.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 20:22
Jonathan Holmes
@ Necros- Brilliant as usual.

And no, you're not who I mean at all when talking about Wii-haters. If you're dissappointed with the Wii, that's a sign that you actually wanted something out of it in the first place. I'm talking about people that would actually feel like lesser beings if they owned the Wii, like how the rest of us would feel if we had a Jonas Brothers tatoo on our foreheads.

I totally agree about Japan's superior virtual console, and don't forget about WiiWare and retail games as well. Muscle March, Captain Rainbow, Fatal Frame IV, the list goes on forever.

I can't quite agree about everything though. I love the Gamecube's library too, but so far, the great-1st-party-games-per-year ratio is just a tad bit better on the Wii IMHO, Wind Waker excluded.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 20:34
Kyle MacGregor
@Necros
I totally agree about the Gamecube library being absolute gold. It's not all about the first party titles either.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 22:00
Bob Muir
@ Holmes

Well, the one consolation for Fatal Frame are those people working on an on-the-fly translation patch via SD card and the Homebrew Channel.

Also, thought I'd let you know that even though I'm not going to be playing it any time soon, I bought Retro Game Challenge 1 just to add another sale to help bring over the sequel. I consider it my penance for not buying No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki, MadWorld, or Valkyria Chronicles yet, despite people begging for others to help out their sales. :)
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/26/2009 22:26
SephirothX
"Is it still cool to hate the Wii?"

Short answer: Yes.

If you total up all of the hardcore games the Wii has since its launch, that constitutes a 'good year' by 360 or PS3 standards. Not to mention a good percentage of the hardcore Wii titles are probably good-but-not-great titles if they were on the next-gen systems (thats not really a Wii bash, its just that the hardcore Wii titles still just kinda lack outside of No More Heroes in my opinion).
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 00:33
GohanGVO
Wii-bashing is old hat. If folks have not recognized by now what the system does and does not offer then they are either blind or trolls.

But, there is nothing wrong with respectful criticism like Necros' comment. Constructive text is constructive.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 16:11
free touch
It's cool to hate the wii on /v/.... its what the children do.
Qalamari's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 07:20
Qalamari
I like this format, Mr. Holmes. If you keep bloggin', I'll keep readin'.

I've gotta ask... feel free to tell me "wait for the review!" but I must know. Is Game Center CX 2 import friendly? I really, REALLY enjoyed the first one, but I think what I liked most was the interplay between my avatar and Arino. Even with the intentional translation errors I'm not sure I could have gotten through Guadia Quest if I couldn't read the text, and the in-game magazines would have been pretty useless. Sadly, I can't read a lick of Japanese. I'd love to see an official translation-- but if the game's not coming here, I still think I want to play it. What say you?
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 13:02
Phoenix Gamma
But...I loved Nintendo when I was 5, and I still love it now :V

I just want everyone to enjoy their videogames <3
Laird's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 19:53
Laird
Wii haters don't follow and sort of logic, it would be impossible to explain them. I know someone who hates on the Wii because they didn't tighten up the grafix, and then turns around and plays PS2 games. Not to mention all the nimrods who scoffed at Nintendo for being in last place in the sales department with the Gamecube last console cycle, and now declare that sales don't matter since the Wii is far ahead in both sales and profit.

And, yeah, I know that Nintendo fanboys are just as bad. But most of them are too busy fapping to the aforementioned sales numbers to vigorously defend Nintendo's shitty online service.
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/07/2009 23:01
ouched
Nintendo and I go back to the early age of 6, playing an NES. Now that I'm 24, I've got a great library across all their old platforms, and yes, even my Virtual Boy.

I don't hate the Wii. I just do not like how it launched, or how hands off Nintendo has been with 3rd parties. There are more good titles out there than most will give it credit for that aren't all port ups of Gamecube and PS2 games, but I'm also not especially convinced Nintendo is really giving its best efforts.

Nintendo hardly put its best foot forward out of the gate, taking Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario and porting them up for Wii from Gamecube.

Animal Crossing:City Folk? Lost opportunity and still the same damn game it was on N64 in Japan. I'm just glad I've only payed money for it once.

Excite Bots? More recycled assets. Excite Trucks was a lot of fun, but I think I've had my fill, thanks.

And I think we'll all be happy if I keep my online issues to this. Put out more VC games, because this 1 a week BS if we're lucky that we've been getting lately has to stop.

I loved Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Mad World, Zack & Wiki, WarioWare:Smooth Moves, Brawl, and Endless Ocean. I just wish I didn't have to sift through a ton of crappy games to find them.
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