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Is The Spirit the film equivalent of MadWorld?
Jonathan Holmes | 8:17 PM on 04.28.2009 32 comments




I'm working on some actual news posts right now, but in the background my girlfriend is watching Frank Miller's recent film The Spirit. I'm half watching it too, looking up every minute or so to take a peek at it, tuning- in every other line to listen to it.

The movie looks like nothing I've ever seen. It's beautiful, and geniunely classy, which off-sets the terrible acting and blatantly ridiculous story in a fantastic way. The story is clearly slave to the visuals, and it's all so god damn weird. It's impossible to predict what will happen next. The only thing I think I know for sure so far is that the volume on the movie's retardeness amplifier has been consistently turned up to eleven, and it seems to be doing it all on purpose.

The movie totally bombed in theaters, potentially returning Frank Miller to movie obscurity, a place he was stuck in for years after RoboCop 2 failed to meet expectations. From what I can tell though, the movie has all the makings of a cult classic. In fact, I'm sort of surprised that it wasn't better appreciated in the first place. My guess is that it just looked too weird for people to take the chance on seeing it in theaters. It's a new IP after all, and in this modern day, new IP generally lose to remakes and sequels. Throw some less-than-stellar reviews in there, (not surprisingly, many critics didn't "get" the movie), and you have a product that people just aren't likely to risk their time and money on.

If people aren't 100% sure their going to like something these days, they just wont buy it.

Now swap out words movie with game, The Spirit with MadWorld, Frank Miller with Platimun/Clover Studios, and RoboCop 2 with God Hand, and it pretty much still rings true.

OK, now Edgar-from-24's head is attached to a foot, and this head-foot thing is hopping around on a lab table. Sam Jackson says he's depressed about this.

Yep, The Spirit is out as close to a MadWorld movie as we're ever likely to see.



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Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 21:04
Chris Carter
The day Steven Blum breaks out of video-game/anime roles and into film voice acting will be a happy time. I'm surprised no I've talked to has mentioned him playing Jack in MadWorld.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 21:07
Jonathan Holmes
That's his name! Thanks for telling me.

All I knew him from before was random Anime and Liquid Television. I've always loved his voice, but never had the wherewithal to look him up.

Thanks, Magnalon!
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 21:26
Puppy Licks
Deader than Star Trek.
Best line in the film.



Just saying :)
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 21:31
TheCleaningGuy
To me "The Spirit" looked like "Exit: The Movie"
Never saw it though, maybe it is more MadWorld-y
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 21:32
Xhumation
The movie is great in an "awful" kinda way. i kinda enjoyed it

However aside from the black/white and red style of the movie I fail to see the similarities with Madworld. then again I only played Madworld for about 10 minutes.
DJP3DRO's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:21
DJP3DRO
The only MadWorld movie that would really fit MadWorld would be a horrible one directed by Micheal Bay and starring Kiefer Sutherland.

So, y'know. It'd be The Spirit.
Namakubi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:25
Namakubi
"It's a new IP after all, and in this modern day, new IP generally lose to remakes and sequels."

Gotta correct you here. The Spirit has existed since the 1930's. Will Eisner created him, not Frank Miller.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:26
Chris Carter
@Holmes
No problem! He's been my 2nd favorite voice actor since I was in middle school (next to JYB). Honestly he's been every major dub Anime character in most of the "AAA" animes out there. I'm glad he's getting radio/tv commercial voice-over work, and like I mentioned, I hope he plans on branching out to feature films someday. Randomly, he's even in Brave Fencer Musashi (which everyone should play), The Bouncer, and Dead Rising!

His latest work is nearly every character in G.I. Joe: Resolute.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:29
Jonathan Holmes
@ Xhumation and Brain- Both MadWorld an The Spirit have really, really stupid stories, to the point where they work more like parody than anything else. They both switch to comic book physics at will with no explanation. They both feature characters that get large, sharp objects shoved into them at the drop of a hat, to only have them laugh it off and keep fighting directly afterwards.

They both have terrible scripts, and in both cases, that seems like the point.

Sin City also had a terrible script, but it wasn't quite as terrible as The Spirit's. It also didn't fail at the box office like The Spirit did. That's the real connection here. The Spirit and MadWorld have both underperformed thus far, and I think that's because they were both misunderstood.

The real difference is that The Spirit cost a lot of money to make, where MadWorld was a relatively low budget game, so MadWorld may not end up being a loss like The Spirit was.
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:41
pendelton21
No, because MadWorld is actually enjoyable.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:49
Jack Maverick
Both of them had respected African Americans being stereotyped as being loud, crude and obnoxious. Both seemed to not only be ridiculous but were noted more for the name recognition in both of them. MadWorld had Steve Blum, Greg Proops and John DiMaggio. The Spirit had Samuel L. Jackson, Scarlett Johanssen and Eva Mendes. Both seem to have their own cult following.

I can see where we're going with this.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 22:51
Jonathan Holmes
@ Namakubi- I know that, but if you've read the Spirit comic (and I'm sure you have), you'd know that it shares pretty much nothing in common with the film. People who loves the comics were the first to say the movie sucked.

Besides that, The Spirit most definitely was a new IP to the general movie going public, unlike Spider Man, Iron Man, The Hulk, Super Man, Bat Man, etc.
Fyodor Douchetoevsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 23:01
Fyodor Douchetoevsky
As a movie snob, I have to call you out on your terrible obliviousness to other movies that used this style of green-screen everything. Sin City is the obvious one, but there are others like 300 and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

You say many critics didn't "get" the movie. They did in fact "get" The Spirit, they also "got" that it was a terrible, stupid movie with hardly any redeeming qualities. So basically this blog is saying that both Madworld and The Spirit are in black an white? Nice observation.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/28/2009 23:05
Usedtabe
I netflixed he Spirit and really enjoyed it. I didn't see the movie because the few ads I saw for it made it seem like a action flick with a really bad script. After I started watching it though, I realized that it was more tongue in cheek and actually quite funny and enjoyable. They just marketed it wrong in my eyes.
They should have embraced that it was a campy super hero flick to have fun with. That or take that stupid "Get me a tie, and it better be red" line out of the ad altogether. That line is what left a bad taste, because it was so horrible but the rest of the ad had this movie painted as a serious bad-ass flick in the vein of Sin City, so the line seemed way out of place. Which, after watching the movie, I see it fits perfectly.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 00:13
Haxan
The movie wasn't misunderstood. It was just plain terrible. I saw it in the theaters and it was a bit of a chore to get through. The characters just wouldn't stop rambling on and on. It was like Frank Miller was finally freed from the limitation of how many words he could fit onto a comic book page. Every exchange of dialogue was each character spouting two paragraphs, then waiting for their next chance to talk again. And it all could have been said in a line or two.

80% of the jokes fell flat, to the point where I wondered what was wrong with me when I found my self chuckling at one that did work.

I love Miller, so it was a big disappointment.

But then it happened. After about a week, I found myself wanting to see it again. It took a while, but it hit the "So Terrible, It's Amazing" level. I could still only recommend it to a select few, but throw a few beers in you and some friends and you will have a great night.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 00:13
Haxan
The movie wasn't misunderstood. It was just plain terrible. I saw it in the theaters and it was a bit of a chore to get through. The characters just wouldn't stop rambling on and on. It was like Frank Miller was finally freed from the limitation of how many words he could fit onto a comic book page. Every exchange of dialogue was each character spouting two paragraphs, then waiting for their next chance to talk again. And it all could have been said in a line or two.

80% of the jokes fell flat, to the point where I wondered what was wrong with me when I found my self chuckling at one that did work.

I love Miller, so it was a big disappointment.

But then it happened. After about a week, I found myself wanting to see it again. It took a while, but it hit the "So Terrible, It's Amazing" level. I could still only recommend it to a select few, but throw a few beers in you and some friends and you will have a great night.
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 07:27
Ckarasu
Never saw the movie. Didn't seem like in was something I'd like.

Also, all voice actors are inferior to Crispin Freeman.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 07:58
Excel-2011
@Ckarasu:
Put him aside Laura-Bailey and whatever results will be the best film in recorded history.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 10:08
Monodi
What about Sin City?
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 11:04
Ckarasu
The-Excel speaks the truth.
SuitcoatAvenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 11:43
SuitcoatAvenger
The Spirit the movie is to The Spirit the comic book as Super Mario Bros. the movie is to Super Mario Bros. the video game.

This was a Frank Miller movie, not a Will Eisner movie. And Frank can't write any more. It's all posing, static dialogue and converse all-star sneakers. Miller always wanted to be Hollywood, this was his shot, and he went full-ego-ahead instead of respecting the source material.

In my opinion, the only similarities to Mad World may be the art direction (but Mad World was cribbing Sin City respectively, so there you go). Mad World was a focused slice of entertainment. The Spirit was about as unfocused a product as could be possible.
Analitic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 11:48
Analitic
Madworld wins by a slight margin, that movie was just atrocious, even for a fan of frank miller, comic adaptations, black and white cinema, mindless-junk-eye candy-while intoxicated and everything... it was bad Holmes, real bad and trust me i understood it, understand it and continue to do so.

So in terms of silly script, redness and most importantly revenue yes they were both a flop i guess, but in terms of quality, the two should not even be correlated...and there is where the similarity ends for me.
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 12:41
ghets
I havent seen the movie and doubt i will see it on purpose but i always thought it seemed kind of ridiculous that they were using the exact same visual style as Sin City, especially when the comic doesnt look like it was exclusive to black and white like the Sin City comic was.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 18:02
Jonathan Holmes
@ Fydor- Man, what are you talking about? The Spirit wasn't in black and white. Did you even see the movie?

Anyway, that's not the point I was trying to make, but I wont even bother trying to re-explaing it.

Moving on.

@ Haxan- After reading the Sin City: Hell and Back and the Dark Knight Strikes Back, I knew that Miller was probably done with "serious" stories for good. The guy is a comedy writer now; a really, really weird comedy writer that keeps the surprises coming with stuff that simply makes no sense. I accept that, and that acceptance really helped me in my expectations around The Spirit.

I plan to watch it again in a few weeks, but as of right now, I can say that I think it has potential to join Evil Dead 2 and Mars Attacks in my "So bad, it's good" movie top ten.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 18:43
EternalDeathSlayer
I haven't played MadWorld so I can't compare them really, but I have seen The Spirit. While it's visuals were very interesting and quite enjoyable on many occasions, the rest of the movie was complete and utter garbage.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 18:44
Haxan
Yeah, Hell and Back was very disappointing. The Dark Knight Strikes Back maybe went way overboard in terms of its satire, but it did manage to hit a couple of decent chords.

But Evil Dead 2, a bad movie? What? Good horror elements, great slapstick, amazing one-liners. It's camp to be sure. But it pulls off everything that it attempts to perfection. I'm curious as to your reasoning there.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/29/2009 23:01
Jonathan Holmes
@ Haxan- I agree that Evil Dead 2 did everything it attempts to perfection. That said, it bombed at the box office, and most of the people who love it also make fun of it to no end (the "workshed" line in particular). It's so bad that it's good, but it knows that it's bad, and that's why it's awesome.

My take on The Spirit is that it also pulled off everything it attempted, and that it also knew that it was bad.

I'm suddenly remembering Planet Terror, another parody/tribute comedy/action film that bombed at the box office. And Slither, too.

In games and in movies, I'm just not sure that the parody/tribute genre has mainstream appeal. Too bad Pole's Big Adventure will never come out here so we can see how that'd do.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/30/2009 03:22
Haxan
I have to say that I disagree with you there. "Workshed" and "Groovy" were written to be funny lines (and we that love the movie, yourself included I'm sure, don't make fun of those lines. We think they're genius). When i first heard them I laughed myself silly. I think that Evil Dead 2 may well have been one of the three or four movies that i laughed most at. And every time I see it in a theater, it never fails to crack the audience up. It's a horror/comedy, and it works as comedy. That's not "So bad, it's good", that's just plain good.

The Spirit tries to be funny, and very seldom is it. Watching it, you see jokes fall falt right and left. I saw it in the theater on opening day, and I was the only one in there even laughing to a couple of the jokes. It failed in that respect. It is actually a very boring movie. There's a bit of a goofiness to it, but nowhere near enough to carry it. It's just bad. But, in retrospect, it was "So bad, it's good".

The "So bad, it's good" title applies to movies that are just bad on almost every level. But when you take all of that terrible as a whole, you end up with awesome. A movie where you celebrate it's incompetence more than the few things it might do right. Movies like "You Got Served" and "Plan 9 From Outer Space". But Evil Dead 2 is an achievment. It is a legitimatly good film. It pulls off great horror moments, and then trips you up with tons of intentionally funny bits that always hit their marks.

The Spirit, on the other hand was meant to be a joyful, comedic ride. And in that it falls flat on its face. I wonder if you have a higher opinion of it because you weren't really watching it, you were peeking up at it every once in a while. Try to watch that sucker start to finish, and tell me that you don't start to find it next to Dullsville before you're halfway through it. Don't just focus on the bizarre moments that pop up every now and again. Take it in as a whole. Then tell me that you'd put it in the same category with Evil Dead 2 or Mars Attacks; films that are a treat to watch from beginning to end. Films that aren't serious darmatic pieces, true, but are non-stop fun and intentionally so.
Pacman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2010 05:28
Pacman
god I loved this movie; it's so bad it comes back around to good again.
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