I've been hearing more an more latley that Destructoid is an "anit-Wii" website. It's one thing when it's coming from someone who's just feeling defensive in the moment (I know I get that way sometimes) because the Wii is being bashed in the comments section of one of our posts, but it's another thing when it's other websites are saying in their posts that "Destructoid hates the Wii" and what not. That gets me thinking that we here at the site may be coming off wrong.
If Destructoid is about one thing, it's about saying what you mean. Our editors aren't afraid of being offensive, and we tend to value constructive (and hopefully funny) critisism a whole lot around here. There is so much PR bullshit in gaming journalism, and so many game journalists who's checks depend on advertising from game publishers, that it's hard to know if what you're reading about a game is really what the writer truly
believes. One of the things I always loved about Destructoid is that the cultural here is to do the opposite of that kind of crap as much as we can. If anything, we make a point of telling you
exactly what we really think, to the point where we can even be obnoxious.
But do we seem biased? If so, I think that's a problem.
The success of the Wii as a console has been really upsetting for a lot of people. It symbolizes a philosophy about videogames that makes many hardcore gamers feel alienated. Wii Sports is not the direction that a lot of people want games to head in, yet it is the "most owned" game on the planet right now. It's fine for people to be upset about
that one game's success, or the Wii's lack of true HD and its "last gen" horsepower, but to hate every game on Wii just because of stuff like that would just be stupid.
Is that how we come off to you? Do you think that we here at Destructoid have jumped on the anti-Wii band wagon? Do you think we make a point to bash the console just to look cool and/or to make ourselves look hardcore?
I've said a million times that a true hardcore gamer likes every genre of game, and judges a game only by its level of quality, not how "hardcore" a game is. In that way, Chad Concelmo is more hardcore than I'll ever be, because he loves every kind of game ever made. Hell, he pretty much love every
game ever made. The man is incredible.
So if you think Destructoid iscoming off like we have an anti-Wii agenda, and less like we all want to be Chad Concelmo when we grow up, please let us know about it. I can't speak for everyone here, but I for one do not want us to come off that way.
I don't know about this whole "band wagon" of anti-Wii, but just general dislike for it. If it wasn't for you and occasional others, Wii would not be represented in a decent light.
also wiisucks :)
Yeah, Wii in 08 sucks but in 09 there is a good line-up and there are people still bashing it without regard.
It's not to say Dodgeball is a bad film, it's just that it is aimed at less of a niche market and so, therefore, is more likely to be attended by more people.
I don't think Dtoid is anti-Wii but finds fun, as does everyone, in the way Nintendo employees and spokespeople all seem to be on acid, all of the time, particularly during conferences and presentations.
Dtoid is more confused as to why people prefer to play more casual games than anything percieved to be 'hardcore'. It's because most people aren't nerds.
- Shovelware.
- Barely any 3rd party support.
- Sub-par 1st party games (This includes Galaxy / TP and not just Wii <Insert Activity Here> games).
- Inaccurate motion controls (Waggle).
- Last gen graphics (Graphics aren't everything but they do help).
Innovation isn't everything when they gameplay ends up become unresponsive and a combination of pressing 2 buttons while flailing your arms randomly. If this is really the future of gaming then count me out.
To sum up: Destructoid isn't biased. They're simply telling you that a piece of shit is a piece of shit.
I think most of the Dtoid crew are disappointed in the Wii to some extent, but that's not 'hating' or 'Anti-Wii'-- that's having expectations that are not met yet. If the future brings more games to the Wii that lifelong gamers like the Dtoid editors enjoy, I think this site would stop appearing anti-Wii in a heartbeat.
You know, it's reeeeaaaaally attitudes like that Jonathan is addressing.
If you want honesty, you're going to have to accept the biases that people have.
But I also think that, in a world where Nintendo's voice is very geared to the lowest common denominator, there's plenty for a hardcore game sit eto pick up on and snicker at. Wii Fit marketing, developers making ridiculous generalizations, the dissappointment of WiiWare (by the numbers anyway). I think its hard not to have a laugh at the Wii's expense, because Nintendo is completely nerding out on its new friends, and isn't trying to hear that fanny packs really do make you look like a jagg-off.
So no, I wouldn't say Destructoid in particular is especially anti-wii. If anything, I think yours (Jon) and Collette's coverage are freaking glorious
And Whiteskwirl, I guess what I was wondering is if it seems like Destructoid as a site has decieded to take an anti-Wii stance, that we've taken on some sort of group think mentality about the console in order to look "hardcore".
Sometimes the worst kind of conformity is when every tries to be an anti-conformist together.
@Iron Dragon
Thanks for reiterating the same five complaints we've heard since launch and really don't apply as a whole to the console anymore.
There is no collective 'stance' on Dtoid, but it provides a good example that the site being made up of individuals who are not following a shared mission statement.
My perception of Destructoid is a place where I can find the latest news in the gaming industry. In journalism there are criteria for what is newsworthy, and the fact is, the Wii has a lot of games that wouldn't appeal to the average Dtoid reader. There are some quality titles for the Wii, but not near as many as the other consoles, so there's just not as much to report. Shovelware is not going to get much coverage I guess, and there's just not as much Wii news as there is Xbox and Playstation news. That's my guess anyway.
As far as the community as a whole, maybe there is groupthink going on. I haven't been active in it long enough to see any patterns though.
Its just that the Wii is honestly a big fucking joke now for games. Yes "hardcore" games come out now and then along with hidden gems, but the overall library is so full of shit that it's hard not to give the Wii shit.
On top of that, the graphics thing is really the fault of developers who, for some reason, aren't actually using the Wii's power. The Gamecube had some might-fine looking games last gen, and the less-powerful PS2 had even better looking ones, so why can't a console with more power look better? Laziness. The shovelware thing doesn't help either.
Lest they forget, the PS2 had the weakest graphics last generation and was the only console not using LAN and/or online play for the most part, and it was praised relentlessly.
Deal or No Deal, Imagine: Fashion Party, Ultimate Shooting Collection, SimAnimals, Coraline, Rygar, Tenchu 4, Deadly Creatures, Totally Spies Totally Party, Fantasy Aquarium, Onechanbara, House of the Dead Overkill, Nascar Cart Racing, Sing it: Highschool Musical 3.
NOW! How much do you want to bet Imagine Fashion Party outsells games like Tenchu 4, Onechanbara, and House of the Dead combined. How can you not call bullshit on that?
In comparison for the 360 and PS3 we have games like Street Fighter IV, Killzone 2, Skate 2, Afro Samurai, Xblades, Onechanbara (another one,) FEAR 2, and GTAIVLD
Now I don't know the exact statistics of Dtoids readership, but I'm willing to be they'd be more interested in the 360/PS3s Q1 lineup more than the Wii's
Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii, but that love fads in the months where not a god damn thing will be released for it. I'll be playing House of the Dead, Onechanbara, and Madworld, but from March till June there is JACK SHIT until Overlord Wii comes out.
Where the fuck is Summa?
Game Informer game No More Heroes a 6.5, stating that the game was "too disturbing, with unnecissary sexual and violent content", yet they gave GTA IV a 10.
So yeah, don't get me started on reviews.
@ Hamza- But is Destructoid percieved as a "we"? Do we look like we all think the same way? That's what I'm worried about.
Honestly, the only editors that I consistantly agree on in terms of taste in games are Dyson and...actually, that's it. Just read some of me and Anthony's dual reviews and you'll see what I mean.
I'm proud to be affiliated with Destructoid, but that's because of our sites focus on individualism, not because we I think we know the good games from the bad or whatever.
I mean, I think I know the good games from the bad, but that doesn't mean I think anyone else here does :)
No ones fault but Nintendo. Definitely not Destructoid being biased.
Anit-wii, but pro-typo.
The Wii was heralded as the console to shift the paradigm of gaming, and usher it into a new era. I'm not real sure it did that, and Nintendo managed to push us -- the lifelong faithful -- aside in the process.
How can I/we be expected to purchase games on the Wii, when their counterparts are so much better on the PS3 or 360? We're not talking minor variations here; it's painfully obvious. Outside of first-party games (which Nintendo can only crank out so many of), the Wii's lineup is abysmal.
I just call it as I see it.
That being said, currently the Wii library is not doing to hot for the common gamer. It is a fact that this last half of the year has been sub-par compared to when the Wii was closer to launch. Still, I don't understand why there is "hate" for a console. Maybe its the Nintendo fanboy in me, but I agree with DanGale when he says that just cause there is shovelware, doesn't mean that its all shovelware. There are definitely titles that have been released/are on on the horizon that tend to be overlooked because people are pissing about the "Imagine" games.
Anyway, about Destructoid's stance. Being a Nintendo fanboy (I'm taking the term back baby...), I admit it saddens me to read people write really angry comments about the Wii. However, I think the image of Dtoid being anti-Wii comes from the very vocal community we have here. For the most part, the articles about the Wii seem to be balanced as far as looking forward with what is coming, and what is out there. Other sites may call Dtoid "anti Wii" but I think thats because the gaming community at the moment kinda IS anti Wii, and Dtoid IS the gaming community.
Just the other day, I got a bunch of angry comments because I called the Wii "the little white shat-box". As much as I love a lot of the games on the console, the hardware is a pretty crappy deal for $250.
And I'm sure there will always be someone here on staff that will find Nintendo to be distasteful, so don't worry about the site as a whole going soft on them anytime soon.
@ Everyone else- I should really fix those typos, huh?
I've owned my Wii since 11/2007 and my 360 since 6/2008. I own 21 Wii games, with 1 of them (Wii Music) bought for my son. Last game I bought for myself is Animal Crossing (and I kinda regret it, but that's another story). Before that...ummm...oh, Boom Blox. Back in May. There's an 8-month gap between Wii purchases (both AC and Wii Music were purchased in December).
My 360? 28 games. Recently bought Fallout 3, The Orange Box, Banjo and Kazooie Nuts and Bolts, and Mass Effect. Also picked up Guitar Hero 2, and received 4 360 games for Christmas.
Anyway, the point. It's not that Destructoid hates the Wii. It's just that we Destructoid members and the staff are falling out of the target sights of Nintendo, and when the umpteenth Babyz or Horsesz or Whateverz comes out, we get angry and lash out.
2009 will bring us some titles that may bring the Wii back into our good graces, like MadWorld and The Conduit. But, we'll have to wait and see if they are enough to get us back into their camp.
I never bought Zack and Wiki and I was insanely bored with No More Heroes (yes, I know it's blasphemous to say that). I look at it as a paperweight more than I do my PSP these.
That being said, the DS is one of my favorite consoles ever.
I guess what I'm trying to say is people shouldn't rush out and call "Wii-haters" out on hating the system because it's "cool". I hate it because it's useless and overpriced, in my very honest opinion.
If you're offended by my opinions then I think you've got some personal issues to work out, because I'm sorry. The Wii sucks in comparison to all of my other consoles and handhelds.
Don't apply anymore? What a load of bullshit. Every one of these is still true today:
Shovelware: Are you really going to deny that a good 70% of the software on the Wii isn't made for a quick buck regardless of production quality? Hell the same is true of the DS right now.
Barely any 3rd party support: It's still true. By 3rd party support I mean non-shovelware games. There are some titles coming sure but the list is weak compared to other platforms. Also no sorry the Conduit and Deadly Creatures don't compare to AAA 3rd party titles the other platforms get.
Sub-par 1st party games: Nintendo is wasting dev time on shit like Wii Music which even the casual community looked at and said "What the fuck is this shit?". I still maintain that Galaxy and Twilight Princess are no where near as good as previous titles in the series.
Inaccurate motion controls: When did this stop being true? Maybe once Wii Motion Plus is out this will change but it's not out. The only things the Wii remote can pretty much only detect up, down, left, and right with any good chance of accuracy.
Last gen graphics: Really you're trying to argue this doesn't apply to Wii games anymore? Look at Dead Rising on the Wii. Look at it.
Don't get me wrong people. I loved the original concept trailer Nintendo produced for the Wii. So many possibilities... But the technology just doesn't work and Nintendo is making crappy games. Yeah not "casual" games. Just shit games. I can play Peggle or Zuma for hours. I can't stand most of the shit on the Wii.
If I had to pick one Wii game I really enjoyed it would probably be Zack and Wiki. Then again Capcom rarely disappoints.
"Iron Dragon is exactly the person that leads the retarded anti-Wii brigade. It's the opposite of fanboyism. It's an electronic machine for Christ's sake. It has games you play. A good game is a good game, but some people are so blinded by hype that they'll never look past the shelved shovelware and instead go off and play Assassin's Creed."
What? I've played Galaxy, TP, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes, Super Paper Mario, SSX: Blur and I still think the Wii is a piece of shit. So yeah I've looked past the shovelware to find a small pile of "meh".
Also anti-fanboy would imply that I'm on some sort of insane rage against everything nintendo person which isn't true. I love my DS. I love everything gamecube and before. I just think the Wii sucks. I'm not the only one. Get that through your thick skull. The only reason I hate the platform was because it was a waste of money. I partially blame myself for the purchase but most of the hate is directed at the system and Nintendo.
You're also retarded and a fanboy. Just throwing those out there. I don't need to justify them. You didn't.
Take de Blob; the game is fantastic, but only if you "like that sort of thing". Same with No More Heroes. It's not blasphemous at all to say you don't like that game, because if what you want is a mainstream action/adventure game, No More Heroes is not going to be your thing.
And that goes for Zack and Wiki as well. Great game, but only if you are a big fan of the point and click adventure genre. Then there's the Trauma Center games, which really only apply to surgery sim fans. I could go on and on.
Despite all it's mainstream success, the Wii is the home to the more games from obscure genres than any other console, except maybe the PS2.
Crap, I'm listing Wii games again, aren't I?
It's OK. No one likes you either.
But just because I was dissappointed with the thing doesn't mean I can't recognize that it had some well made games that other people were into.
A lot of people in this post have said they aren't into the Wii, but only you have been called out on being an anti-Wii fanboy.
Why do you think that is?
"AAA" only means that a project has a larger than typical budget. The more money that is tossed at a game, the greater the chance it has of being high quality, but that status in no way means a game is necessarily better than something with less than half the budget.
The Wii is an awesome system that does what it does very well, for both casual gamers and people like me who grew up playing games. You just have to know what games to grab.
Also, I don't really think the Wii has "last-gen horsepower." If it did, we wouldn't be getting stuff like The Conduit and Monster Hunter tri. The GameCube and Xbox were strong graphically, but not that strong.