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It is no better to blindly agree with everything a Dtoid writer or editor says than it is to blindly follow anyone
I completely agree, and I'm a huge Dtoid fanboy. Yeah I'll admit it. If an editor writes something I disagree with, then I comment that I disagree.
But if a bunch of people hop into the site with new accounts to insult an editor's intelligence, sexual prefrences, etc. just because he dissed their new favorite game... OF COURSE Im going to tell them to GTFO my Dtoids.
It wouldnt be a king3vbo comment without some sort of stupid picture:
I completely agree, and I'm a huge Dtoid fanboy. Yeah I'll admit it. If an editor writes something I disagree with, then I comment that I disagree.
But if a bunch of people hop into the site with new accounts to insult an editor's intelligence, sexual prefrences, etc. just because he dissed their new favorite game... OF COURSE Im going to tell them to GTFO my Dtoids.
It wouldnt be a king3vbo comment without some sort of stupid picture:
I'm sure some of the people supporting the writers are just kissing ass, while others have legit ideals. Either way, we need to just let it go. Forget about the past and let's all have a big 'ol bowl of Vanilla ice cream. Who's in?
Am I doin it right? Also, I have to agree with 3vbo. I'm a 'toid fanboy yes, but if someone with their happy "newb" avatar comes on a bashes only on front page articles, they can kindly GTFO mah interwebs.
@ king3vbo-
Of course! Sometimes trolls do say things like, "this site sucks" or make other generally insulting statements about the site as a whole. To that, the only rational response is, "then why the hell are you here, fucker? Get out!"
@ Gamegoblin-
Ice cream sounds good. I probably didn't need to write this post, but I felt like saying it at the time. Now that I have said it, I'm kind of sick of the whole thing. I almost wish Dtoid would do away with reviews altogether, because the bitching about reviews and subsequent bitching *about* bitching is equally annoying and pretty much takes over the site for awhile.
Of course! Sometimes trolls do say things like, "this site sucks" or make other generally insulting statements about the site as a whole. To that, the only rational response is, "then why the hell are you here, fucker? Get out!"
@ Gamegoblin-
Ice cream sounds good. I probably didn't need to write this post, but I felt like saying it at the time. Now that I have said it, I'm kind of sick of the whole thing. I almost wish Dtoid would do away with reviews altogether, because the bitching about reviews and subsequent bitching *about* bitching is equally annoying and pretty much takes over the site for awhile.
This works right? I don't know why this issue is still being talked about anyways. These things happen everywhere on the interwebs and I believe we all know that the best thing to do is just forget about said things.
@akathatoneguy
I noticed you have a Cubs logo in your xbox360 gamer tag thing. Life must be rough for you *snicker*
@ EDS
I know it's only the internet. I posted a sensible, calmly written opinion on what I see happening here. What exactly is your point?
I know it's only the internet. I posted a sensible, calmly written opinion on what I see happening here. What exactly is your point?
I really appreciate the blog post. I've been thinking about this very thing for sometime.
Glad someone else has a clear head.
Glad someone else has a clear head.
I like the reviews, but I'm not some ass who takes what they say as the final verdict. Never have with any review. People just like to bitch and moan. I for one find the comments pretty funny, I mean, I've never really cared if a game I liked got a "bad" score.
Like my mon use to say FUCK'EM
Like my mon use to say FUCK'EM
@ Tragic Hero-
Actually things are pretty good. They made the playoffs last year and many of us think they will again this year. It could be worse. Now the White Sox...they might have a tough year.
Actually things are pretty good. They made the playoffs last year and many of us think they will again this year. It could be worse. Now the White Sox...they might have a tough year.
I agree with your blog, but as has been pointed out, it IS the Internet, and there are lots of idiots here. Dealing with them is kind of like trying not to be so butt hurt when a game you like gets a bad review.
I'm not big on calling people sheep. That sort of perpetuates an us-vs.-them mentality too. Plus, if I'm not a sheep, what does that make me? A shepherd? A sheep dog? Those don't pay well.
Not all who agree with a given point are following anyone else's lead.
>You have encountered an Internet Fight. Command?
agree
>You have become a sheep. The fight is still occurring.
disagree
>You have become a different sheep. The fight is still occurring.
C:\offer nuanced opinion
>tl;dr. The fight is still occurring.
run
>You have encountered lemonparty.
/wrists
Not all who agree with a given point are following anyone else's lead.
>You have encountered an Internet Fight. Command?
agree
>You have become a sheep. The fight is still occurring.
disagree
>You have become a different sheep. The fight is still occurring.
C:\offer nuanced opinion
>tl;dr. The fight is still occurring.
run
>You have encountered lemonparty.
/wrists
You make a valid point. Blogs are inherently more opinion-based, and ideally, the comments sections would be used for discourse and debate as opposed to flaming and fanboyism. The way I interpreted Jim’s opinion on review bitching, the idea wasn’t to suppress disagreement — in fact, he encouraged it — but just to promote disagreeing without being a complete moron.
I hear ya man, I feel like a there would have been no backlash to "specific incidents" if the reviews were still done with milti-point opinions. have three people give a review on the same game, then you will have three separate views and people will be less likely to be pissy about it because it's more than likely there will be someone that you will agree with.
Overall, reviews are garbage and the only true review is one you can make on your own after playing the game because it is so hard to review a game that you might not be any good at or don't like. Per example saying something is bad because it's hard is not fair and allowing personal opinion into a review is danderious stuff. But in the big picture it is the internet after all, and a Blog must be prepared to be hammered with moronic responses to posts. The real D-Toiders will take the review for what it's worth and the loser dregs will bash it insensitively for no good reason.
Overall, reviews are garbage and the only true review is one you can make on your own after playing the game because it is so hard to review a game that you might not be any good at or don't like. Per example saying something is bad because it's hard is not fair and allowing personal opinion into a review is danderious stuff. But in the big picture it is the internet after all, and a Blog must be prepared to be hammered with moronic responses to posts. The real D-Toiders will take the review for what it's worth and the loser dregs will bash it insensitively for no good reason.
Might as well use something from a webcomic I like:
I'm guessing the "Kotaku is that way ->" came to be thanks to people complaining about the score only by comparing it to another's site score.
I don't think we all follow mindlessly, I've seen quite a few dtoiders debate about different reviews, the problem comes with people that argue about the score and only the score.
@king3vbo
Loved that image.
I'm guessing the "Kotaku is that way ->" came to be thanks to people complaining about the score only by comparing it to another's site score.
I don't think we all follow mindlessly, I've seen quite a few dtoiders debate about different reviews, the problem comes with people that argue about the score and only the score.
@king3vbo
Loved that image.
I've come to realize that on every web site, blog, etc., each has their casual regulars and "hardcore" followers. I love this community, and think that it's better than most others out there, but I'm not just going to follow blindly behind some someone and their opinions just because they work/do business here. I, myself, have no opinion of the whole controversy that is happening right now, but I do respect the idea that every reviewer has their own opinions on video games.
Sorry, I didn't have much of a point except I think this is all pointless, I suppose.
Also, it was well written at least so kudos to you.
Also, it was well written at least so kudos to you.
Since I'm already disliked in the community I'm just gonna toss it out there.
Its been my observation that the community has put the editors up on a pedestal, they hang on every word, every column, every blog, every goddamn thing they say so when someone dares to question them these select members become angry and spout the crap you discussed.
Yes its the internet, but this is still a forum to post your opinions, having them ignored in favor of idiotic replies telling you to go somewhere else is quite insulting, and this community is not very friendly to new people.
I think think its an insult to tone that he's trying to get a serious discussion started and stupidity is spreading across the posts like wildfire, there's plenty of other blogs for that but they pick this one.
Course I am under the assumption that 90% of the community on this site is worth a damn when clearly they are not, there's so few people here that contribute in great and awesome ways, its nice to see them getting the attention they deserve but its sad to see idiots getting a reputation because they're idiots, you know who you are, no need to name names.
Still, this will keep happening, D-toid is to big, its barely policed and the people that should read this blog won't and will continue to defend their editor of choice like a mother protecting their children.
Its been my observation that the community has put the editors up on a pedestal, they hang on every word, every column, every blog, every goddamn thing they say so when someone dares to question them these select members become angry and spout the crap you discussed.
Yes its the internet, but this is still a forum to post your opinions, having them ignored in favor of idiotic replies telling you to go somewhere else is quite insulting, and this community is not very friendly to new people.
I think think its an insult to tone that he's trying to get a serious discussion started and stupidity is spreading across the posts like wildfire, there's plenty of other blogs for that but they pick this one.
Course I am under the assumption that 90% of the community on this site is worth a damn when clearly they are not, there's so few people here that contribute in great and awesome ways, its nice to see them getting the attention they deserve but its sad to see idiots getting a reputation because they're idiots, you know who you are, no need to name names.
Still, this will keep happening, D-toid is to big, its barely policed and the people that should read this blog won't and will continue to defend their editor of choice like a mother protecting their children.
You're right to say that people shouldn't be sheep, but I think the concern people have is that they don't want DToid to become like all the other sites. When it becomes flooded with tons of people and becomes huge, it's easy to get lost in the sea of people. The ones who get the attention are usually either people who have the time to post 300 posts a day or trolls. Everyone else gets ignored. I've been to enough of those sites. I'm sick of them.
This isn't to say that new people shouldn't be welcomed, but mindless trolling shouldn't be tolerated, especially here.
Also I don't think the problem is disagreeing with the editors. In fact I completely disagreed with Jim's review of Patapon, for example, but his review was well-written and had good points. I agree to disagree.
The problem is all the people that basically told him he sucked for his points, and there is a nicer way to say that.
This isn't to say that new people shouldn't be welcomed, but mindless trolling shouldn't be tolerated, especially here.
Also I don't think the problem is disagreeing with the editors. In fact I completely disagreed with Jim's review of Patapon, for example, but his review was well-written and had good points. I agree to disagree.
The problem is all the people that basically told him he sucked for his points, and there is a nicer way to say that.
Hey buddy, fuck you! I will not be the down fall of Destructoid in any way shape or form!
"...have new folks check out what Dtoid is all about."
If they check out what it's all about, then they'll know better than to type some stupid shit like "ZOMG JIM U R BRITSH AND GAY AND FATS! FCK YOU! LULZ" and that kind of shit happens all the time. When it does, that's when the destructoid defense force shows up!
"...have new folks check out what Dtoid is all about."
If they check out what it's all about, then they'll know better than to type some stupid shit like "ZOMG JIM U R BRITSH AND GAY AND FATS! FCK YOU! LULZ" and that kind of shit happens all the time. When it does, that's when the destructoid defense force shows up!
@ naia-the-gamer
The problem is that this behavior has done more damage than good. I used to love the hell out of this place, and then I noticed one day that D-Toid had become just like every other gaming community on the net. It has become a mere shadow of its former glory, having been overrun by trolls and fuck-wit fan-boys, who hide behind the anonymity of the internet and snipe at people just to make themselves feel a little better about themselves. It's sort of depressing.
I expressed this opinion recently in another C-Blog, and was textually raped by several people for it. Granted I didn't exactly elaborate on what my problem with this place was, having simply warned a new member that the community in its current state can eat away at a person if he is caught unawares, but honestly, it was a throw-away comment, borne from the frustration I feel from seeing something I enjoy being innundated by the sort of stupid shit that I came here to escape in the first place. I didn't think I had to elaborate on it. And besides, rather than ask me to do that, they just assumed the worse of me, and incidentally, ended up validating what they thought I was saying in the process. Moreover, they illustrated that you're not allowed to have an opinion, unless it's totally supportive of D-Toid and the community. That's more than a bit fucked up.
One guy decided to give me the benefit of the doubt. I discussed it with him, and he seems to hold an opinion very similar to the one expressed by akathatoneguy, along with everyone who expressed their distaste for this nonsense over the course of the Eternity's Child debacle. It's refreshing to see that not everyone here has his head up his ass. And hey, if enough people draw attention to this problem, then there's hope for the future yet.
The problem is that this behavior has done more damage than good. I used to love the hell out of this place, and then I noticed one day that D-Toid had become just like every other gaming community on the net. It has become a mere shadow of its former glory, having been overrun by trolls and fuck-wit fan-boys, who hide behind the anonymity of the internet and snipe at people just to make themselves feel a little better about themselves. It's sort of depressing.
I expressed this opinion recently in another C-Blog, and was textually raped by several people for it. Granted I didn't exactly elaborate on what my problem with this place was, having simply warned a new member that the community in its current state can eat away at a person if he is caught unawares, but honestly, it was a throw-away comment, borne from the frustration I feel from seeing something I enjoy being innundated by the sort of stupid shit that I came here to escape in the first place. I didn't think I had to elaborate on it. And besides, rather than ask me to do that, they just assumed the worse of me, and incidentally, ended up validating what they thought I was saying in the process. Moreover, they illustrated that you're not allowed to have an opinion, unless it's totally supportive of D-Toid and the community. That's more than a bit fucked up.
One guy decided to give me the benefit of the doubt. I discussed it with him, and he seems to hold an opinion very similar to the one expressed by akathatoneguy, along with everyone who expressed their distaste for this nonsense over the course of the Eternity's Child debacle. It's refreshing to see that not everyone here has his head up his ass. And hey, if enough people draw attention to this problem, then there's hope for the future yet.
