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Sour Wine
Jim Sterling | 7:20 AM on 01.12.2009 60 comments


I have concluded that if I take these sour grapes and use those to make the wine that you will ask me if I would like cheese to go with, I can actually make sour wine, the most powerful metaphor for complaints ever concocted.

Or, I could apologize to a number of upset individuals who were offended by the brashness of my comments yesterday. While I stand by my suggestion that some people unhappy with the state of Destructoid need to come back and take part rather than be unhappy on the sidelines, being combative is the last thing that will see that happen.

There are a few untrue things floating around, such as I hate the community or whatever, and I doubt I can convince you otherwise considering it's something a number of you seem to have believed for a long time. All I'll say is that I'm in IRC more and more every day, I came up with the idea of a live podcast which included as many community members as we could cram in, and my Xbox Live games with guys from Dtoid are some of the most fun gaming times I ever have. A huge part of what makes Dtoid what it is, is the community.

The post yesterday is something I should have handled waaaaay better. My intent wasn't to upset anyone, but sometimes I type faster than my brain processes, and saying things like "I won't consider them the community" is not only unwise, but it also tars a lot of people with one brush and makes them feel persecuted.

I was never hired to interact with the Dtoid community, and I do in fact consider my job and the community two separate entities. My job is to help ensure the growth and the personality of Dtoid. My spare time is where I fuck around in IRC and Xbox Live and meet people and all that stuff. I'm not paid to make nice with anybody here, I do it because I have found some amazingly funny people here and because I even consider some of you friends. Some friends were pissed off yesterday, and that's fucking rubbish.

I'm sorry for coming off like a grade-A douche and I hope that the people who took what I said personally can draw a line under this. There were some pretty vicious and nasty things said about me, from my porky fatness to my worth as a Destructoid editor. Personally, I'd like to pretend such things were never said, because just as what I said yesterday was unbecoming of site staff, I think those comments were unbecoming of a Dtoider. On my end of things, I'm just gonna draw a line under the whole thing and move on, if you will permit to do so.

I didn't mean to upset the apple cart and I apologize for doing so. I hope we can all move forward a better community after this.



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Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 07:56
Cowzilla3
There's a Dtoid apple cart? I've been going on for all this time with no apples. Yes, I have some bananas, some bananas for sale, but I really wanted apples.

Yes, I took the least significant thing in the post and made it my comment. Isn't that what we're supposed to do?

Hugs Jim.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:01
Clance
Please, for the love of God, don't stop calling pople "cunts" on any of your Podcasts.

I have never been called one but I've never felt like there was any malicious intent in your comments. I'd be honoured to be part of the list.

I realise that this was not the main point to any of this but I also think that some people take your humour without that pinch of salt it sometimes needs. I hope people don't actually thin you are as scathing as your tongue-in-cheek comments often suggest.

Oh, and without that live pod we would have never heard that fantastic Coldplay cover. Possibly the greatest event in history.

<3
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:08
Jim Sterling
Clance, this certainly doesn't change how I'll conduct myself on Dtoid (sorry Faith :-) ), but I am sorry for directing that hotheaded abrasiveness in the wrong places.
Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:08
Half left
Would you like some CRACKERS with your CHEESE!? =P
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:12
Jim Sterling
Would you like some GREEN EGGS with your HAM!?

That L4D match was good times :-)
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:16
Red TheHaze Veron
You cant please everyone on the internet.

Bravo, Jim. Its nice to see some people on the internet can still be accountable and actually care about what they say.

I have to admit though that I missed the entire hubbub cause I was in trance from watching too much doctor who for the past week.
Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:16
Half left
Would you like some MILK with your CORN FLAKES!?

Always.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:16
Clance
That's good Jim. Channel your anger, like Karate Kid. Save it and use it in the way that has always drawn me to read your pieces.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:30
shipero
You should make some Pinot noir. I do so enjoy a nice Pinot noir.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:43
ScottyG
@cowzilla3
Tell me about it! I've had to go elsewhere for overpriced apples when apparently we had one here the whole time? :(

I demand reparations! Free apples for a week!
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:49
Tubatic
Wha?

Look, if there's a Destructoid apple cart I WANT IN!

Seriously, somebody hook me up with the apples.

I love apples.

Jim's alright too.

He's not apple though . . .
wilbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:52
wilbo
would you like some ZOMBIES with your APOCALYPSE!?

good times
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:54
HarassmentPanda
Well said, Jim. I didn't take any offense to your last post and I tried to explain to others that you had some good points that were presented in a manner that was unpleasant to some. Dtoid needs to be about community members working to bring back the [i[good old days[/i], not lamenting where they have gone.
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:56
the Golden Avatar
If I had read your last post I would have be so offended. I accept your apology for the non-offense.
Mr Wrighty 987's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 08:59
Mr Wrighty 987
i dont know why people hate you jim i find you very funny
HydroTonix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:07
HydroTonix
No one could possibly hate on you for more than a day jim. Trust me.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:11
Chris Carter
Jim people will always hate you because you have a soul, and opinion, and you actually speak your mind about it. But they will hate you momentarily, just like Hydro said, then they will realize that you're just a great writer who loves games. You're an asset. In fact, you drew me into Destructoid in the first place, dude.

Cudos
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:24
njsykora
I don't think you had any reason to apologise for what you said Jim, the wording could have been better but the base sentiment was something that needed to be said.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:31
Chris Carter
To be honest, I have no idea what you are apologizing for, or what happened. I just know people comment on how they don't like you everyday. Just don't worry about it
Andy Butler's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:41
Andy Butler
Jim's body tastes delicious in my smoker's tongue.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:46
GrayFox
Like others have said, just don't change what you're doing. Your contributions to podtoid and the site in general are a major, major reason why I continue to come here.

/sycophancy
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 09:59
mistic
Thanks for this Jim, great to see that you aren't "too big" to appologise, however, I feel it wasn't really necessary, your post was dead-on, I was invited to the facebook-dtoit-army ( and i think I'm even still a member of that group ) but I never quite understood why there were such a small amount of people in it, now I know and I almost feel bad for being a member of it...

I consider every single dtoid-user to be part of the Dtoid-Army!
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 10:15
Cataract
/me thumbs up
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 10:37
Aaron Mxy Yost
Thanks for clarifying things for the benefit of those who were offended. Now no more drama please, everyone. Time to let it go.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:00
Jim Sterling
I should clarify that this isn't aimed at the usual fucktards who troll my articles. I don't give a shit if I upset those cunts. I'm talking about people who matter.
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:18
Trev
Apologizing for bruised feelings is commendable, especially when being professional as an editor, As nice as it is that community members can be friends and converse with editors, editors acting like editors is good too, and I don't see both on any other site. Look at this. I'm leaving a comment directed at an editor that might actually be read. Hot shit.

Sometimes calling someone on acting dickish directly is best, and if they get all indignant about it it means you were right; they obviously weren't confused over it, so they must know what they were doing. A "Fuck you, you're being douchebags." should not be able to break someone off from a generally hospitable community like Destructoid. Telling someone to shut the fuck up and come back to the party with everyone else works among friends.

Then again, that's just my personal experience. I may be too sexy for people to keep away, but I doubt that's the case.
Macca's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:20
Macca
Jim: What really got on my nerves was the fact that you called out the community emailer as being something that it's not, and was acting like it's some super secret club. I don't know why you would think that, but it's portraying the wrong idea to other members.

I think people, myself included, are still on the edge about this whole thing and my be quick to jump to conclusions, whether right or wrong. I'm glad you had the balls to delete your post, and make this apology, and hopefully those members who you offended/offended you can kiss and make up so to speak. We all said some things while heated that may not be true, so hopefully we can all put this and all this other shit behind us and move forward as a community.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:22
Justice
What Mxy said, it's time to dead this drama and move on.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:24
Yashoki
I see through your bullshit, Jim. Now that you apologize coming like the white knight we can't be angry at you.....thanks.

I look forward to this new era of piece and let it be known that any merchant who wishes to trade with sterling, that he is a fair and honest man.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:35
Jim Sterling
Macca:

I think my problem was focusing on the emailer at all. I never intended to make that the source of any blame, but obviously my mentioning it made it look like I was saying "this is everything that is wrong" and I fucked up my own point.

What should have been a much more welcoming call for people to come together turned into a blame game, which is thanks mainly to my own abrasive nature. This is of course why Niero is the man in charge of this site, and I am just here to post silly header pictures and photoshop Samit's head onto various things.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 11:49
Sharpless
Nice of you to... uh, be nice. But seriously, guys, I'm thiiiis close to leaving Destructoid because of all this drama. If I wanted to listen to a bunch of whiny cunts, I'd peruse Livejournal.
DJDuffy 's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 12:04
DJDuffy
I never got to read the original post, Jim. So thanks for not being a douche today I guess? I've got nothin.
Aertyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 12:36
Aertyr
Wow. I think I've seen everything now.
Less than three mister Sterling.
Less than three.
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 12:44
Hamza CTZ Aziz
To add a little more (especially since I've been so damn quite on this whole thing), I wanted to add that EVERYONE is a part of this community. No matter what group you're a part of, no matter how active or how little you contribute, you're all part of the family.

The reason most of you got angry a short while ago over a specific banning is understandable, but that needs to remain between the two people it involves. IT SHOULDN'T INVOLVE ANYONE ELSE AND NEEDS TO STAY THAT WAY.

We're all in this together. For everyone that's saying that Dtoid is "dying", then you're part of the problem. Instead of saying it, get active and fix the issue instead of bitching about it. If you see a person dying on the street, you're not just going to stand there. You're going to call an ambulance. You're just as responsible for killing the guy if you don't call for help. And in this case, you need to call an escort service. I want a white blond girl and an Asian girl.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 12:52
SilverDragon1979
Wait a second. Destructoid has an apple cart and not a peach cart. Seriously who's fault is this? Who dropped the ball? Jim get on this immediately. I expect to be tasting peaches by the end of the week!!!
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 12:59
garison
There were some really harsh things said, and none of it was called for. Apology accepted, even though it wasn't aimed at me anyway.

Dtoid is great, now can this PLEASE be the last dramatic "Dtoid is changing wawawa" post?

<3
Justin Villasenor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 13:09
Justin Villasenor
I like apples, they rock.

I like rocks, they apple.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 13:10
nukka jdav
WALL OF TEXT. BORING.




But really, I think its nice that you feel you need to say more. You didnt really have to, but you did. I wasn't offended, or didn't care in general about the whole drama thing, but saying more shows you really do care how people see you here and that you do care about the community. Just keep doing what you are doing. Keep saying cunt especially. I have several friends who listen to your podcasts for that reason alone. Never lose your humor, and don't let the trolls get you down. I fucking love just about all you do Jim, keep it up.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 13:14
Qraze
well, you were under attack and were defending yourself and your actions. it takes a real man to own up and apologise, even if he really didn't do anything wrong, it takes a real man.

we can't and shouldn't dictate your interactions with the community and that's exactly what some people are trying to do by getting upset that you didn't comment in their shitty blog. you do what you can and there should be no apologising for that. in fact, i believe alot of people owe you an apology as well but they're so far up their own ass that probably won't happen. i don't think i do but i will and say i'm sorry if i crossed that line and its unacceptable to believe you can be everywhere at once and its unrealistic as well.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 13:46
Wedge
I enjoy being entirely oblivious to all the apparent stupidity that's been going on around these parts lately =D.
BFeld13's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 14:14
BFeld13
LET'S GET IT TO 100, PEOPLE!
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 14:14
Kyousuke Nanbu
I apologize to you if I was ever to much a giant douche in your articles(I'm pretty sure I was).

I love you Jim.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 14:18
Jim Sterling
Kyousuke, you probably was, but I never really noticed it. You're totally cool with me, brah!
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 14:21
EternalDeathSlayer
I love this community.
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:47
A New Challenger
All I have to say regarding this is Ouch!
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:49
Technophile
I thought the first post was good, but hey gotta give you credit for apologizing and restating your point.

and to comment on what CTZ said, I would also like an asian girl.
tehuberone's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 02:41
tehuberone
@ JIM

", I came up with the idea of a live podcast which included as many community members as we could cram in, "

Which podcast are you talking about????
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 06:19
Jim Sterling
The Podcastle. We had two massive live recordings with a ridiculous amount of community members involved. I'm shocked anybody at Dtoid doesn't know about it!
Origim's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 11:29
Origim
Live podcastle with community members? How did I not hear about this. You can't have a true live recording without me there to turn it into a cluster fuck for the ages.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 16:38
John B
It's all good, Jim.
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