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foxtoid was far better of a spoof.
see jim now your just a taker-backer, no one likes those. god damn man. (i predict everyone is going to ream you for changing your stories now) or they will just praise you because you finally said good things about a mediocre game.
yes i said mediocre. don't argue about the fact that i said it. my house has both the PS3 and Xbox versions, I am in fact playing it, and i do enjoy it, but i will still call it mediocre, and this comment flamewar will be about jim not me :)
so go.
see jim now your just a taker-backer, no one likes those. god damn man. (i predict everyone is going to ream you for changing your stories now) or they will just praise you because you finally said good things about a mediocre game.
yes i said mediocre. don't argue about the fact that i said it. my house has both the PS3 and Xbox versions, I am in fact playing it, and i do enjoy it, but i will still call it mediocre, and this comment flamewar will be about jim not me :)
so go.
How am I changing my story? I am still echoing the sentiments of my first impressions, just thought I'd mention the positives too.
Let us not forget that these are video games, which are cereal business, and there is no liking and disliking different parts of a certain game, but only GOOD GAME OR BAD GAME!
Mixing opinions only leads to discussion, which we simply can't have here. Moar one-liners and insults and declarations of unshakable finality, plz!
Mixing opinions only leads to discussion, which we simply can't have here. Moar one-liners and insults and declarations of unshakable finality, plz!
LEAVE JIM STERLING ALONE!
so anyways, the more I read your impressions Jimmels, the more I want to play it. I'm never ordering a game I really want to play from Amazon again.
so anyways, the more I read your impressions Jimmels, the more I want to play it. I'm never ordering a game I really want to play from Amazon again.
Yes, I'm perfectly aware that all game magazine and online game magazine reviews are sold to game publishers at every given chance.
Thanks for being strait with us on the games flaws.
Thanks for being strait with us on the games flaws.
@ Kryptinite
The wait sucks, but if you didn't pre-order the Limited Edition, buying it off of Amazon was the smartest thing you could have done.
The wait sucks, but if you didn't pre-order the Limited Edition, buying it off of Amazon was the smartest thing you could have done.
Problem is,
too many people are actually having fun playing GTA 4 to even care about the reviews,
But for some reason jim takes the time to post flaws only to exploit the overly rewarding reviews the game has gotten so far. (or so it seems)
Wait until the Dtoid review comes up, and as always it will probabley be around an 8, and they'll tell you to rent it. Thats great and all, but everyone has diffrent taste and its pretty stupid to take one person from Dtoid and review a game, that system in itself is flawed.
Okay first off, hand to hand system works fine, theres even a counter button, I've had no problems at all with the combat system...anyone with this issue I have to say it is a personal problem.
Second, the car handling. Granted it is diffrent, but its not that hard. I'm horrible at all racing games except burnout, and after about only 2 hours with the game I've learned that most peoples problem is probabley with romans taxi, and it seems weird only because the axis on which the car turns is in a weird spot. Thats why it feels odd.
People need to really get there heads out of there asses with all these fuckng reviews.
Play the game on your own. Rent the game, don't like it? Take the game back. Really, its that simple.
too many people are actually having fun playing GTA 4 to even care about the reviews,
But for some reason jim takes the time to post flaws only to exploit the overly rewarding reviews the game has gotten so far. (or so it seems)
Wait until the Dtoid review comes up, and as always it will probabley be around an 8, and they'll tell you to rent it. Thats great and all, but everyone has diffrent taste and its pretty stupid to take one person from Dtoid and review a game, that system in itself is flawed.
Okay first off, hand to hand system works fine, theres even a counter button, I've had no problems at all with the combat system...anyone with this issue I have to say it is a personal problem.
Second, the car handling. Granted it is diffrent, but its not that hard. I'm horrible at all racing games except burnout, and after about only 2 hours with the game I've learned that most peoples problem is probabley with romans taxi, and it seems weird only because the axis on which the car turns is in a weird spot. Thats why it feels odd.
People need to really get there heads out of there asses with all these fuckng reviews.
Play the game on your own. Rent the game, don't like it? Take the game back. Really, its that simple.
So much has been written on and I have yet to play my copy :(
Still Jim, you and D-Toid rock. As soon as I saw that video about G4 or whatever giving it a 10/10 I knew right away that it doesn't (diddn't) deserve a 10. 10 is epic and should only be given for one out of 1,000 games and that never happens.
Still Jim, you and D-Toid rock. As soon as I saw that video about G4 or whatever giving it a 10/10 I knew right away that it doesn't (diddn't) deserve a 10. 10 is epic and should only be given for one out of 1,000 games and that never happens.
@jim my whole comment was sarcastic. i just know how people like to flame you for being you.
@kryptinite why wouldn't you order from amazon? we actually got the game yesterday at 3:45pm, amazon again shipped us before release, like they did with my mario kart.
@kryptinite why wouldn't you order from amazon? we actually got the game yesterday at 3:45pm, amazon again shipped us before release, like they did with my mario kart.
@blacksheep
WHAAAAT? They shipped it last night and I opted for the 2 day shipping. I refused to pay more than I would in retail and with tax it brought me to 2 day shipping. DAMN MY CURSE OF HAVING LIMITED EDITION SHIT!!
all this for a license plate...I have issues. But I'm cool with that.
WHAAAAT? They shipped it last night and I opted for the 2 day shipping. I refused to pay more than I would in retail and with tax it brought me to 2 day shipping. DAMN MY CURSE OF HAVING LIMITED EDITION SHIT!!
all this for a license plate...I have issues. But I'm cool with that.
Ok the game is good, but perfect? Not close, and yet its getting 10/10 scores from well known review sites.
@kryptinite
i live in philadelphia, and they shipped it out of a delaware warehouse. I'm a prime member so i get free 2-day shipping. they shipped it out monday morning, i got the email at like 6am.
sure enough at 3:45 it arrived lol. same story with mario kart, only that was on friday.
though we disconnected our xboxes so our gamertag wouldn't show that we played it, didn't want to have to fight with xbox about amazon's fault.
i live in philadelphia, and they shipped it out of a delaware warehouse. I'm a prime member so i get free 2-day shipping. they shipped it out monday morning, i got the email at like 6am.
sure enough at 3:45 it arrived lol. same story with mario kart, only that was on friday.
though we disconnected our xboxes so our gamertag wouldn't show that we played it, didn't want to have to fight with xbox about amazon's fault.
Good to see that the driving is starting to come to you Jim. Samit's guide needs to be made public ASAP. It would help a lot of people.
As far as giving GTA a 10/10, going by what Rev said I don't see why GTA doesn't deserve a 10/10. Of course, if the destructoid review is any less I won't care, I know where I stand on the game.
As far as giving GTA a 10/10, going by what Rev said I don't see why GTA doesn't deserve a 10/10. Of course, if the destructoid review is any less I won't care, I know where I stand on the game.
I got used to the driving pretty quickly. Not exactly the smoothest at it but it gets me from A to B, though I would like to see that guide.
Niko is a very good character, I laugh at his voice though when he curses, have no idea why... but... xD
I'll give GTAIV a 9. Very nice and is a very big revamp of Grand Theft Auto III, although bad hand-to-hand and bugs kinda nerf it down.
Niko is a very good character, I laugh at his voice though when he curses, have no idea why... but... xD
I'll give GTAIV a 9. Very nice and is a very big revamp of Grand Theft Auto III, although bad hand-to-hand and bugs kinda nerf it down.
I agree on the perfect score thing. It's a matter of how much you love the great things and how much you want to care about the bad things. Most perfect score reviews have mentioned the flaws too, but apparently it didn't detract from "perfection". I can't think of any game that matches GTA4 at the moment though, whether in scope, depth or detail. So in that respect...
But it's still not perfect :P
But it's still not perfect :P
I've only got about 4 or so hours into it, but i am enjoying the game, but 2 things have bugged me.
1. The hand to hand combat just blows, and when a person is behind you trying to kill you, you should be able to lock on to them, that is a fuck up by R*
2. At many different parts of the game (sometimes during the day) I cannot see where i am going, i've adjusted the brightness on the options to the highest setting, but still can't see where entrances are to buildings (i.e. the safehouse).
The driving is difficult, but i am picking it up and getting better at it. I expect this game will take up a few more hours of my time :)
1. The hand to hand combat just blows, and when a person is behind you trying to kill you, you should be able to lock on to them, that is a fuck up by R*
2. At many different parts of the game (sometimes during the day) I cannot see where i am going, i've adjusted the brightness on the options to the highest setting, but still can't see where entrances are to buildings (i.e. the safehouse).
The driving is difficult, but i am picking it up and getting better at it. I expect this game will take up a few more hours of my time :)
I wans't really offended at the score of an 8, in fact yeah it is beyond decent. Sorry if i "came off" that way.
I just see the score 8 and 8.5's as a score that says "yeah its damn good, but nothings perfect so we'll just give it an 8". Thats what I really dont like about reviews.
And while maybe someone is annoyed at my take on it, well, I really wasn't trying to be insulting really, but I do think if you READ the last part of jims post, its pretty clear that his statement is,
"I honestly feel reviewers would have done gamers and themselves a greater service by not glossing over the flaws in this series. Things are clunky and loose. It's certainly starting to grow on me, and I think before long I'll feel a lot more comfortable with it, but it is not the gaming perfection that reviews would lead you to believe."
Now how does that not come off as trying to explot the flaws of other reviews on the game?
I just see the score 8 and 8.5's as a score that says "yeah its damn good, but nothings perfect so we'll just give it an 8". Thats what I really dont like about reviews.
And while maybe someone is annoyed at my take on it, well, I really wasn't trying to be insulting really, but I do think if you READ the last part of jims post, its pretty clear that his statement is,
"I honestly feel reviewers would have done gamers and themselves a greater service by not glossing over the flaws in this series. Things are clunky and loose. It's certainly starting to grow on me, and I think before long I'll feel a lot more comfortable with it, but it is not the gaming perfection that reviews would lead you to believe."
Now how does that not come off as trying to explot the flaws of other reviews on the game?
"Now how does that not come off as trying to explot the flaws of other reviews on the game?"
Exploit them for what, exactly? This is my CBlog, not the main page. I have absolutely nothing to gain from posting here. This isn't my review, and I wouldn't mention another review in my review, because that's not the done way.
I don't see what's being exploited, and for what ends.
Exploit them for what, exactly? This is my CBlog, not the main page. I have absolutely nothing to gain from posting here. This isn't my review, and I wouldn't mention another review in my review, because that's not the done way.
I don't see what's being exploited, and for what ends.
General non-directed comment - I think, considering all the things going on in GTAIV, the new things it does, and how good much of it looks and plays, I don't feel like its completely out of the realm of possibility that this is the valid 10/10 game.
I need to just write a solid c-blog about this. Everyone has to do at least one, right? :p
I need to just write a solid c-blog about this. Everyone has to do at least one, right? :p
My friend turned to me yesterday, and said "What do you think IGN gave GTAIV?" and I said ten. He reads it, and it was a ten.
Now my reason for choosing that (perfect) score wasn't because I think the game is or isn't good. It's because it's popular, a 'brand,' and didn't suddenly fail with the first sequel. The GTA's, Halo's, etc, all get the exact same fucking reviews. Go read them - half of them simply change a couple words but keep virtually the same score/review/comments. It's sad, but how it works.
If you want to have a review of a game before you buy or rent the game, go to metacritic.com, and read the lowest fucking review. The one that gives it 50/100, or something. Those are the reviews you want to read. Why?
Who the fuck wants to hear what is good about the game? You know what's good about the game, you can watch commercials for that shit. You want to know if it loads slowly, if it's clunky, if the game-mechanics are twitchy, if the QA was on fucking crack. You want to know what SUCKS so you don't waste your money.
And when I say you, I mean me, of course. But I really wish more people would stop encouraging these bloated reviews by rabidly defending them.
So Jim, I salute what you've done here. You said EXACTLY whta you thought in your first impressions - all the negative things you felt. Then, you make a second part where you point out there are positives, but the negatives can outweigh them.
Cheers.
Now my reason for choosing that (perfect) score wasn't because I think the game is or isn't good. It's because it's popular, a 'brand,' and didn't suddenly fail with the first sequel. The GTA's, Halo's, etc, all get the exact same fucking reviews. Go read them - half of them simply change a couple words but keep virtually the same score/review/comments. It's sad, but how it works.
If you want to have a review of a game before you buy or rent the game, go to metacritic.com, and read the lowest fucking review. The one that gives it 50/100, or something. Those are the reviews you want to read. Why?
Who the fuck wants to hear what is good about the game? You know what's good about the game, you can watch commercials for that shit. You want to know if it loads slowly, if it's clunky, if the game-mechanics are twitchy, if the QA was on fucking crack. You want to know what SUCKS so you don't waste your money.
And when I say you, I mean me, of course. But I really wish more people would stop encouraging these bloated reviews by rabidly defending them.
So Jim, I salute what you've done here. You said EXACTLY whta you thought in your first impressions - all the negative things you felt. Then, you make a second part where you point out there are positives, but the negatives can outweigh them.
Cheers.
@ Sterling
You're obviously abusing my eyes by forcing me to click on every link I see, including yours. What devious planning!
You're obviously abusing my eyes by forcing me to click on every link I see, including yours. What devious planning!
I agree with what you said about reviewers and the flaws, i think they just thought in the larger picture the improvements eclipse the flaws.
They should mention the combat and driving controls though, after all, they're the two of the biggest gameplay mechanics in the game.
They should mention the combat and driving controls though, after all, they're the two of the biggest gameplay mechanics in the game.
Hmm. I still think that something odd is happening with you and the driving. I love it, it feels awesome to me. I guess it helps that i dont mind crashing into things, and i have learnt to use walls and other cars to help me turn instead of hindering long ago.
Ill give you the combat isnt super fantastic, but it isnt too bad. Try the counter system, it seems to work better than just swinging. Else get a knife, and show those mofo's what for.
Theres a few flaws to this game, but it still gets 10/10 for me just because ive played for around 7 hours and im still finding new things rockstar has added in just because they felt that they could and should, NOT because theyre necessary.
Ill give you the combat isnt super fantastic, but it isnt too bad. Try the counter system, it seems to work better than just swinging. Else get a knife, and show those mofo's what for.
Theres a few flaws to this game, but it still gets 10/10 for me just because ive played for around 7 hours and im still finding new things rockstar has added in just because they felt that they could and should, NOT because theyre necessary.
Pfft, this isn't GTA IV. GTA IV has red flying men in armor. You must be describing that Iron Man game
"Jimpressions" has to be the most queer, AND brilliant pun I've seen this year...I didn't even read the post. When I saw that I had to comment...And I was almost kidding when I called you a pretentious British twat...Color me 'Jimpressed'!
I reckon the realism really adds to it.
Adding to the humour, the satire and the wit making this story a ten, Then presentation is a 10, and sound with songs beign spot on and so much dialogue i wait for the next voice 10, then multiplayer 10, then slow comabt and movement, more realistic and (trust me) better cars, and a bitta shitty aim up close 8.
Jim try the bat its got the reach you want in close quaters.Overall Its a high Ten Jim if you REALLY get picky over the little things (of which there aint that many) then at VERY least a 9.
Plus if you judge a game by how many times you go "Oh wow look at that" or explain a bit that happened to you its the highest rated game ever for me. MINE IS RIGHT!
Adding to the humour, the satire and the wit making this story a ten, Then presentation is a 10, and sound with songs beign spot on and so much dialogue i wait for the next voice 10, then multiplayer 10, then slow comabt and movement, more realistic and (trust me) better cars, and a bitta shitty aim up close 8.
Jim try the bat its got the reach you want in close quaters.Overall Its a high Ten Jim if you REALLY get picky over the little things (of which there aint that many) then at VERY least a 9.
Plus if you judge a game by how many times you go "Oh wow look at that" or explain a bit that happened to you its the highest rated game ever for me. MINE IS RIGHT!
@BlackSheep- How is this a flip-flop? I think he has allowed himself to get a little deeper into the game, and his initial reaction to it or judgement has altered based on more information to base his point on.
While I won't argue you calling it mediocre, because it is your opinion, I will say that I sat and laughed more within the first 6 hours of this game than I did at almost any other game I have played in the last 2 years that made an attempt to satire our world. "The Mens Room" had me laughing really hard. Bas is a great character...And Ricky Gervais on his favorite war? The lines about Pol Pot were outstanding...
There are certainly some wacky controls (as Jim pointed out the melee stuff is kind of wonky) but overall, I'm enjoying this more than Vice City, which was by far my favorite of the series...And when I heard Jeru the Damaja on the radio all I could do was bob my head and smile...
While I won't argue you calling it mediocre, because it is your opinion, I will say that I sat and laughed more within the first 6 hours of this game than I did at almost any other game I have played in the last 2 years that made an attempt to satire our world. "The Mens Room" had me laughing really hard. Bas is a great character...And Ricky Gervais on his favorite war? The lines about Pol Pot were outstanding...
There are certainly some wacky controls (as Jim pointed out the melee stuff is kind of wonky) but overall, I'm enjoying this more than Vice City, which was by far my favorite of the series...And when I heard Jeru the Damaja on the radio all I could do was bob my head and smile...
BlackSheep...I didn't read down the comments far enough...I thought you were serious, so...There you go...shitfuckcockwhorewhorewhore...Torrets riddled Amy Pohler is my favorite kind of Amy Pohler.
I think the main reason why Jim nerfed down the score to 8 is because driving is a vital part of the game, and they messed it up. And also the hand-to-hand system is very poor.
It's really strange how people can totally flip at seeing an 8. Just because you're hearing what you don't want to hear. doesn't mean you have to make negative comments.
It's really strange how people can totally flip at seeing an 8. Just because you're hearing what you don't want to hear. doesn't mean you have to make negative comments.
Still waiting for my copy to show up. :(
I've heard several friends comment on the same flaws - less arcadey handling on the cars and sketchy accuracy.
I've heard several friends comment on the same flaws - less arcadey handling on the cars and sketchy accuracy.
Jim Sterling: "This isn't my review, and I wouldn't mention another review in my review, because that's not the done way. "
First line of THIS review:
"I mentioned I may do a second Jimpressions, because let's face it, the biggest release of the year kind of deserves it."
FACT: Jim Sterling references his first review in the first sentence of this newer, gentler review.
FACT: Jim Sterling defends his Jimpressions II review by stating he would never reference a review in a review.
FACT: Jim Sterling is an unethical reporter whom you shouldn't trust to not eat your children. This November, you have a choice. Don't vote for Jim Sterling.
Paid for by Greybush for GTA.
First line of THIS review:
"I mentioned I may do a second Jimpressions, because let's face it, the biggest release of the year kind of deserves it."
FACT: Jim Sterling references his first review in the first sentence of this newer, gentler review.
FACT: Jim Sterling defends his Jimpressions II review by stating he would never reference a review in a review.
FACT: Jim Sterling is an unethical reporter whom you shouldn't trust to not eat your children. This November, you have a choice. Don't vote for Jim Sterling.
Paid for by Greybush for GTA.
I love this game. It's awesome. Do I have some problems with it? Yes. But, the point of a 10 isn't to say, "This game is perfect!", it's to say the good points so outweigh the negatives that you have to get this game and I agree with that sentiment. But to each their own.
there is no doubt about it, GTA4 is a fantastic piece of software. what i think is great about it is that it still feels like GTA. i think the driving is the biggest difference in the game but i dont think it is bad by any means. in GTAs past, the only real options for driving was to mash the gas 100% then mash the brake 100% the mash the gas again 100% without any real skill or technique involved. with the move to using triggers for gas and brake GTA4 makes it so you need to have pedal control to be a good driver. i play a shit ton of driving games so maybe it came really easy to me but there is no real difference to my driving in GAT4 than my dring in any of the previous. the only thing i can say is that it seems like some of theses cars would not have the power to spin their wheels like they do.
EXACTLY. I hate to admit it since I bought the game and was so excited for it, but I was really disappointed with a couple of things. Also, the multiplayer, while great, needs patches to actually access it - it could really have used a 2-player offline like in SA as well. I also miss the driving from san andreas, as well as the selection of extra stuff like more clothing stores. The game is a lot more lacking than the reviews led people to believe. Still a good game, though, especially once they fix the online multiplayer.
