I can't believe I'm doing one of these "guide" type posts, because generally it makes me feel like an incorrigible douchebag, but this has been getting under my skin for a while and I would really like to try, if at ALL possible, to lessen the extremity to which I get irritated.
I think a fair few of you understand this, but to those that don't -- the Community Blogs and the Destructoid front page are two seperate heads of the one animal. While they are linked to the same body, they think, feel and act differently. A post on the Cblogs is not a post on the main page. Likewise, a post on the main page is not a post on the Cblogs.
What I'm saying is this -- when something is posted is on the Cblogs and then it is posted on the main page, that is NOT cause for people to shout at the editor for posting "old news" or something that has been "done already." It has not been done already on Destructoid, as a rule. The Cblogs and the main page are different things.
Remember, the front page of Dtoid gets thousands of readers a day, which is going to be more than the Cblogs. We can't just not post news because it might have been "broken" by a reader first. We reach more people, that's the bottom line. I've had to reign in saying that in a nastier way to people who have been particularly galling in the way they attack "old" news.
I know I don't just speak for myself -- it's very insulting for an editor, who usually spends a long time adding editorial commentary, spell checking ruthlessly, and generally making a story worthy of Destructoid's main page, to be waved off and have his/her work demeaned by somebody arrogantly throwing a link to the Cblogs and acting like they "broke" the story first. It also makes us look bad to other people. Hell, it's not even that insulting to link to your work if you're proud of it ... but throwing the link up and nothing else, or throwing it up with a backhanded comment to the Dtoid editor is pretty shitty.
If we get the news from the Cblog, you bet we'll link to that appropriate story. However, if there is no link to a Cblog in one of our stories, it's simple -- we got the news from somewhere else, probably the same source you did.
I doubt of course that anybody means any harm when they do it, but it can be very weary for the editor. I love the Cblogs here, and the editors on Dtoid are more interwoven with the community than any you'll ever see, which is awesome -- but there is that barely visible line between main page and Cblog.
Hope that sounds fair to everyone.
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aaah, I feel bad now. Although I did this only once on Dale Norths article on the psp version of Oblivion.
aborto: I didn't make the post to necessarily make people feel bad, just to present how it feels on our end when someone makes a post of that nature.
Stuff like this definitely needs to be known to the people, Jim. Good on you for taking the time to put it together.
and don't feel like a douchebag for saying this. Of all people you are the one who has the right to post a "how to" blog.
Also, what always comforts me is that I know there are bigger douchebags out there than me.
So you've highlighted a particularly effective trolling method. Thank you I'll keep it ever ready at my finger tips.
Just joking.
I agree with -D-. People just need to realize that that is how news works. One group of people(or person) discovers something and then other people report. People should worry less about breaking that big story and take solace in the fact that you might be responsible for helping out Destructoid a bit by possibly bringing in a few more readers if your story draws some hits to the front.
-Rev
i agree with not likeing the whole 'i did it first, heres the link to my blog' thing.
however, if you have written somthing in the c'blogs and a editor has written somthing kinda the same, i don't personally see anything wrong with putting the link in and saying somthing like 'i wrote somthing sorta like this a little while ago'. i guess its the mentality you have behind posting your link in the comments, you know, why did you do it?
some people do spend a long time working on thier articals to have absolutly no love shown to them what so ever (i remeber spending ages on my first 3 blog posts)and that can be quite demoralising.
but ill say it again, trying to make yourself seem better than someone else but posting your link in their comments is bad.
posting your link it thier comments is okay if all you want to do is share your opinion on the matter and open the debate further.
This is why I stick to odd philosophy and commentary as opposed to any newsbreaking endeavours, can't fuck up.
ofn, I read this on the home page days ago.
Same as soul3150.
Great point Jim
Damn, I've done this before. When Nex posted about the GH3 soundtrack, and the downloadable songs that came with it.
Man, Sterling, I beat you to this one by miles.
/irony
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I say kick the clogs once and for all.
Excellent point Jim. I would have additionally pointed out that if c-bloggers are so gung-ho about getting their little slice of the "breaking news" fame (which I assume is the reason that they post a link to themselves in a front page article), they should use the submit tip option. This way, they can write up the story and have a better chance of getting the coveted (assumption again) front page shout out--i.e. "Thanks, electro lemon" at the bottom of the story.
I think that would prevent people from would prevent people from feeling worthless in breaking a story in the c-blogs with little notice and soon thereafter having the story break on the front-page to wide popularity. This is all conjectural mind you, but I think I'm correct.
Whats the matter Jim? No spoilers this time?
I hear what you're saying but in all honesty, if a c-blogger "breaks" a story before an editor posts something to the main page, it wouldn't hurt to run a search checking to see whether it had been previously reported, and a side note of credit would be appreciated. I know you guys are the "professional" writers, so it makes sense that you would structure the article more soundly then whoever may just want to gush about something they just heard/read.
Whatever though.. people shouldn't post useless comments like "old" and shit anyways..
Yeah really. It's not the fact that it's done, but the way it's presented: Like a total dickwad.
Then you go and click on their "breaking news", and it's just copypasta with horrendous grammar and little to no punctuation. I'll take the Monacle Man's nicely presented article over BS anyday.
Agreed. This goes double for every post that has a [Via _____] or source tagline. If an author cites his/her source, there's not really much room for debating from whence it came.
Good lad Sterling, well done for having the balls to say it.
Great post and a good point. There's a sensible way to link to something you've posted, and there's the trolling way.
Likewise, I've had things a few times happen in reverse, where I've written out something concerning breaking news, but Jim or Nex or someone else gets a story up on the front page as I'm working on the story, and then when I post it, I get yelled at for copypasta and being old.
News itself is very fluid, you've got to remember that, and that stories get broken simultaneously quite frequently thanks to the Internet.
Maybe if people understood was have forums for certain kinds of posts this wouldn't be so much of an issue...
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Right on, soul brotha. I don't usually give a shit if news was on the C-Blogs first. If it's not linked in the front page article, I just assume that they didn't get the story from the C-Blogs. Simple as that.
Plus, CTZ totally linked to my story once and it was rad.
Also, the c-blogs isn't an RSS feed for Kotaku posts. So stop making an entry every time Kotaku posts an update.
I guess my problem with the cbloggers saying "I did it first" is that it's not as if they usually *did* anything. I mean, should everyone who went to Random Videogame Site and saw the news before it was posted on Dtoid be given credit for being at the right place at the right time?
If you're like me and you come to Dtoid and merely peruse the titles of the most recent cblogs on the main page, you're not likely to see some of the "breaking news" that you'll surely post on the main page. So I see no other way for Dtoid to go but to post it even if to some gamers it's "common knowledge".
What's really disturbing about the whole issue is that on the internet, it seems that a healthy amount of people just want to be dicks. All the time. People who would say hi to you on the street or cower in fear of nearly everyone they meet, keeping their snarky comments to themselves, suddenly feel the need to attack everything and everyone. Same thing on Halo 3, etc. "I was given 8 wedgies this week in real life, but on Halo I'm a GOD, damn you, and you're a noob! Sweet revenge!" Cyber-pricks need to be called out and publicly humiliated by all.
You should re-post this on Monday when everyones here, though I did do this once but it was because I had stated something different in my post than the front page had...and then Dale North linked it in his story...I'm not sure why i'm telling this story other than to say that the editors usually link stuff in the blogs if its well written and offers a point of view thats different. I never saw them as ignorning the blogs or stealing from them.
If there is legit reason to link, if you have something to add, or something different, nothing wrong there. Or if you link in a subtle way. Saying you also posted it is grand, but saying you got it "first" is laymez.
Uh, this is old news, Jim. I totally mentioned the same thing in the comments of a news post Nex did three months ago.
Epic fail, Jim. Epic fail.
take the cblogs off of the front page :)
OLD NEWS
/douche
sterling lays down the law.
Well said Jim. <3
Well said, indeed.
Hats off to you, Sterling. You were much nicer about this than I could have been.
Cheers to you, Mr. Sterling. Some members of the Destructoid community need to stop being so self-righteous in their attempts to regulate what gets posted, despite having no authority to do so.
well put.
also, i think your banner is amazing.
Great point, JS.....
On the flipside... I'd just be happy if my damn blog actually worked..
Well put, Jim. I've noticed that the people who do this are generally trying to make sure they get credit for themselves. I know that, when I started blogging, I did it once or twice before I caught on to how utterly ridiculous it was. What's really funny is when some other person links to your cblog, like they're trying to do you a favor.
uhh these guide posts are getting stupid.
Instead of giving up guides give us rules lulz.
STICK IT IN JIM! STICK IT IN!
Well, I’m glad someone finally came out and said it like this. I always find it so condescending and just plain mean when people post comments saying stuff like “CLOGS DID IT” with a link to a 50-word post — which essentially consists of a link to the story from [insert news source here] and “OMG DIS IZ AWESUM!!!!1” — that looks like it was written by a third-grader. I sometimes link to my own c-blogs in the comments I post on main page stories, but I try to do it in a way that is offhand and doesn’t seem forced, and I’ve never posted one of those “CLOGS DID IT” comments. And as brosef put it, if anything, just send your news story to tips@destructoid.com and maybe you’ll get some notoriety by being mentioned in a story on the front page. Of course, Jim is also 100% right when he notes that DTOID has to report on all the news they get, and one (or even a few) c-blogs don’t cut it. Stuff has to be posted on the front page, so don’t take offense if a story is put up and you aren’t credited, even if you happened to break the news on the c-blogs. Your e-cock can take the hit.
Couldn't agree more, Jim.
I don't think there is anything wrong with linking your firsties cblog in a front page comment, but it's better to do so in a way to link the two conversations together or show a different viewpoint, not to just call first. I think that's the difference here.
Sounds fair enough.
WOOOO! HE'S BRITISH!
Good job, Jim. I'm so sick of people taking credit for shit as to make their cyber-dick look bigger.
Japanator did it first.
I'm sorry Jim, but I addressed this months ago. Seriously, old news.
Simpsons did it!
Tomopop broke this ages ago, Jim. C'mon, get your head in the game.
Jim rules hardcore!
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