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Rant - 2D Vs. 3D
Javet | 8:48 PM on 07.27.2009 14 comments


Last night, I was watching some awesome footage for Muramasa. My friend (a 360 addict who only plays Call of Duty) came over and asked, "Why you like 2D so much?" I responded, "Because it's awesome. I love both 2D and 3D." Now, this my friend is the type of person who won't try anything new, so he is very one-sided.

I love 2D. I have only owned Nintendo Consoles (besides a PS2) since I was born. I'm 16 which means I wasn't there for the old gaming days of yore. But I do absolutely love 2D.

Today, the though came up pagain, so I asked him, "Why don't you like 2D?"

He responded with the most naive, uncalled for, and overall stupidest answer I've ever heard:
"Because it doesn't take much skill to play."

I was baffled. Has this generation of gamers sunk this low? I showed him Contra, Ninja Gaiden (NES), and Blazing Lazers. 2D games have always taken more skill than 3D (with the exception of Mario). He was still stubborn.

"It doesn't take much skill to get good at them..." What kind of a statement is that? The Smash Bros. series takes immense skill to get good at, and it's a 2D playing field... Games from the NES, SNES, Genesis etc. Gamers are too stubborn to look at the past and realize the great gaming giants. Most of those games were extremely hard and only the ost skilled players could get through them...

Have gamers today really been reduced to ONLY first-person shooters? I love them, but what happened to 2D?

He said that 3D games were always better than 2D games. Mostly because they sell more. I brought up Shadow Complex: 3D graphics on a 2D terrain. He said it wouldn't sell more than Gears of War, making it worse.

This generation of gamers is shutting out what made gaming great in the first place. Why? Because developers are leaving 2D behind. I'm not saying to stop making 3D games. No, by all means, I love them, but why does 2D have to die (especially like this)?



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TewDee's Destructoid Blog
You lost me at Smash Bros.
nekobun's Destructoid Blog
I don't think either genre is more or less difficult than the other to be good at; they're focused on different mental processes and skillsets, generally. For instance, 3D games tend to focus more on spatial awareness and multitasking, whereas 2D games seem to be a better home for problem solving and pattern recognition.

As for the sales example, someone show me the bizarro world where the Halo and Gears Of War franchises combined have outsold all the 2D Mario games, and I will give you a Nobel prize for working out interdimensional travel.
Javet's Destructoid Blog
Care t oexplain? I can always take some constructive criticism.
Javet's Destructoid Blog
That last comment was @Tewdee

@Nekobun
You are exactly right.
TewDee's Destructoid Blog
@Javet - SSB is not a real fighting game series by any means. It is simply taken way too far by the people that play it. It is simple and easy and a party game. It takes hardly any time to grasp and any kind of tournament play I've seen of it is an abomination to what is really is.

No Items. Final Destination. Only Fox. What the fuck.
BulletMagnet's Destructoid Blog
Your friend's attitude is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about when I wrote this - while it obviously doesn't apply to everyone, more and more people seem to assume that 2D games are inherently inferior to 3D ones, in any way you can imagine. Hopefully Muramasa and others like it will help to change this state of affairs...if we can convince the doubters to play them in the first place. Also, while not completely related, I'll point you towards this.
Daxelman's Destructoid Blog
SSB is actually a really good tournament based fighter when the rules are not such bullshit.

You give a little people some freedom, and it can be just as fun to watch as MvC2 or SF gone pro.
chuchoyei's Destructoid Blog
Smash might be a good game. However is not a 2d fighter no matter how hard its community try.

''You give a little people some freedom, and it can be just as fun to watch as MvC2 or SF gone pro. ''
No, playing smash is fun watching it no so much. Mvc2 sometimes can be boring as well since every time is comprised of storm, sentinel and magneto or cable.
Monodi's Destructoid Blog
Put him to play I Wanna Be The Guy and he'll shut the fuck up
MellowBunny's Destructoid Blog
Gamers these days seem to have the mind set of because we're at that level where everything is 3D better and we want more better looking games.

It's the samething with mature games. All because gamers are older doesn't mean every game has to be mature and full of blood.

Gamers are so shallow these days.
Chocobo Knight's Destructoid Blog
2D has become a staple of handheld, XBLA/PSN/WiiWare downloadables, fighting and indie games. No longer do the big companies develop 2D games unless it's for once of the options above. It's best to look at this newest generation of video game players; most have grown up on 3D games while 2D has been mostly segregated to the four choices. It's sad that a 2D game like Muramasa is a rarity these days.

A lot of newer gamers these days have a tendency of being close-minded, never giving anything outside of their bubble the light of day. While it may never be their type of game, why cut yourself off from new experiences?

It reminds me of a recent occurrence when I was watching The Last Guardian trailer on my laptop while eating lunch at a friend's house. The two younger kids were in awe so I played it a few more times until the typical 15 year old brother catches sight. He said it looked boring. He's very much a COD player. While I wanted rage all over him, I asked him if he knew ICO or Shadow of the Colossus. The blank stare in response spoke more than he could. The best I could do was shake my head.

Sure, I could lend out my copies so he could experience it, but I'm also part of the problem. I don't want to see great games get crapped on by those who simply don't and/or won't understand there's more to games than a rechargable shield and an assault rifle.
Javet's Destructoid Blog
I whole-heartedly(?) agree with everyone here. The sad thing is, my friend, along with most modern gamers, will still be confined to their COD box until the servers shut down.

@Tewdee
It may not be a "real" fighting game, but it does take skill to be good at it.
P3T3Y's Destructoid Blog
"It doesn't take much skill to get good at them..."

I'd like to see your friend finish LoZ 1 & 2 without a FAQ, ya know like we had to back in the day.

Also, I'd like to see somebody without "much skill" beat Metroid in less than an hour.
Vendettagainst's Destructoid Blog
I think it's just that you get more used to current technology and nothing feels the same.


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