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MOAR "elitist anti-gay nonsense" lul
Hoborg | 3:30 PM on 07.29.2009 98 comments


My message fell on blind eyes yesterday so I am following up with my critical examination of the gay axiom. The gay axiom is basically the idea that the homosexual orientation is not true in the normative context of society but by virtue of containing its own proof. This simply isn't the case; all orientations not affirmed in the context of society have the burden of proof. Simply claiming that being gay is itself a true disposition in virtue of what it means (viz, loving a member of the same sex) makes it immediately ethically acceptable is a nonsensical proposition. Universally, all societies are founded on the biological principle of reproduction in same-sex unions, thus, being gay is aberrant from a naturalistic, evolutionary vantage point. The design in nature contains its own ends, ones which ought to be fulfilled for optimal psychological, spiritual, and physiological health. The anus was not designed to host another object for sexual stimulation. Same naturalistic principle applies to oral sex which has been linked recently to an exponential risk of cancer in the affected areas of the body. Thus, by looking scientifically at the design of the human body, it was made only for one type of union -- the sexual union of a sexually mature man and woman. From an exegetical vantage point, God says to man in his biogenesis, 'I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply...' (Genesis 35:11) which implies it is a divine command that urges us to produce offspring in the one and only true sexual union. The non-existent proof of God which is so commonly defaulted by agnostics and atheists in debate is a pedantic protest. There is proof of God, in the Thomistic tradition which was even affirmed by the young Bertrand Russell and zealous atheist Anthony Flu before he died. Russell burst out one day and exclaimed (paraphrased) "My God, the argument is sound" meaning it's not only valid (logically true) it's also likely to be the case (see the biography "The Ghost of Madness"). The proof itself is modally relevant as it links physical events to physical causes. Each cause represents a series in a totality of causality that comprises the physical cosmos. This totality itself begs for a cause, qua God. If there is a world, then there was a cause. The first cause must be efficient (voluntary) to avoid an infinite regression of causes hence the big bang theory. Because time and the relating events and causes are perceived linearly, this must be the case. You have the burden of proof if and only if you argue that time is cyclical. Thus, God, as the creator of nature, is incontrovertible. If God creates nature, then, all ethical ends are contained in the design of natural objects. Fulfillment of nature is the fulfillment of ethics. Moreover, in the Aristotelian tradition, the state and future of a political system is inherent in the family. The family has in recent decades began to brake down into less traditional families such as single parents, gay partnerships, sambos, etc with the advent of liberal politics. This event is also correlated with a decline in general public health such increases in STDS and other communicable (and related) diseases. As a matter of fact, statics show that you are more likely to be infected with HIV if you have lived a homosexual lifestyle or shared drug paraphernalia. This is why they automatically defer blood donors who admit they have had homosexual contact. Also, homosexual males are more likely to commit suicide than straight males if there is alcohol involved. These aren't complicated corollaries, homosexuality isn't associated with good health. It may not directly cause these deleterious effects but it certainly mediates them through associated lifestyles such as promiscuity and drug use. The homosexual family is still developing in the fluctuating sociopolitical climate in the Western world. Until it is proven to create a salubrious union that is not tenuous then it can't be affirmed. We simply don't know the long term effects of the questionable union such as cancer risks and other psychological effects. Why not legalize marriage to find out? Because, marriage is a privilege, not a constitutional right. The constitution was founded by men who believed in the God of nature, the Nous if you may. As such, marriage is only granted to fulfill the natural union, and as a privilege not to be granted to men who want to marry donkeys, and to pedophiles, etc. If you can't prove the ethical-ontological truth of the gay identity you certainly can't move to the presupposition of affirming the "gaymer" identity Have I made it abundantly clear now?



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Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:34
Aurain
I guess you missed the subtle gaming theme on this website, and got the impression it was a "Rant about Homosexuality" website.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:35
Takeshi
LUL means DICK in Dutch.
gore on the floor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:45
gore on the floor
You've made it abundantly clear that you exist on this website solely to aggravate people.

From now on I'm just going to skip past the "content" of your blogs and read all the comments about how wrong you are. They may use smaller words, but they're much more intelligent.

Your grammar sucks, by the way.
Proper Badman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:52
Proper Badman
All the latant homosexuality is seeping out of me now.

Thanks mate you have cured me!
robotbebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:55
robotbebop
I would read the article if I could actually make sense of more than 50% of what you're fucking saying. Christ, you have a big vocabulary and absolutely NO idea on how to wield it.
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:56
Cataract
This doesn't strike me as anything close to being related to video games, and I'm pretty sure that writing blogs about your issues with other peoples sexual preference isn't welcome, even if it is being tolerated (now, at least. Who knows how long that will last). I recommend that if you want to write things like these, you should open up a blog somewhere else.
Rabite's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:56
Rabite
If the penis fits you must acquit.
gore on the floor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:57
gore on the floor
I actually did read the post, and have read most of your others.

That is how I came to the decision that I am much better off skipping to the good parts.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 16:58
ChronosWing
I will say it again, YOU ARE A FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLE. Now your gonna make a blog denouncing Homosexuality based on your beliefs. JUST GTFO. Homosexuality exists in every part of nature, not just humans you fuck nut. Seriously can we fucking ban him now? I think this one finally crosses the line of homophobia and flame baiting.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:01
free touch
rargh rarrgh gays are ruining things.

protip: gay people aren't ruining anything. Its the people that fear anything other than their own beliefs that ruin things.

You mention that stds are more prevalent now than before, and so are "less-traditional" families. It couldn't be that there are more people in the world today, or the fact that everything, not just humans, evolve and change with the enviroment. The same diseases we see today have been around for the same amount of time as the human race... probably longer. Its just that, along with humans, these diseases change over time, becoming more prevalent. Example, in the middle ages, a common cold could kill an entire village. Today, a common cold is no more than a nuisance brought home by our children the first week of school. Yet, in the natural order, a newer, more powerful strain of flu, like the bird flu, and the swine flu, have taken its place. A stronger flu for a stronger human.

And, about the non-traditional familes. I feel this is more the fault of the parents today, than of gay relationships. My family is strong, we teach each other values, that each life is precious, and if I were to move next to a gay couple, it wouldn't stop me from living my life, and it wouldn't make me want to go a shove my moral values down someone else's throat. If you really want to see a return to normality in society, stop throwing the blame on things that happen outside of the family. If you really want to see an end to a lot of problems, don't make gay marriage illegal, make divorce illegal. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and I can assure you, its not because of the the gay people running around. If you make divorce illegal, you would force the problem of family back onto itself, and people would be more careful.

the long and short of it: don't blame homosexuals for problems that you are to stubborn to realize are yours to begin with.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:02
Jumbo
Who "designed" the anus? The mouth wasn't "designed" for sexual pleasure. Should heteros stop kissing each other?

"Thus, by looking scientifically at the design of the human body, it was made only for one type of union -- the sexual union of a sexually mature man and woman."

By looking "scientifically" at the design of the human body, the human body wasn't designed. It evolved over millions of years and billions of random mutations of DNA.

This is homeschooled Christianist homophobia gussied up with pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Your argument is basically, "I just logically proved that gay people are awful and inferior (or don't exist?), but I'm not homophobic!"

I feel sorry for you, bro.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:02
ChronosWing
No you shithead, this blog only caters to homophobes and religious whack jobs.
gore on the floor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:12
gore on the floor
For a while, I thought you were only a pretend idiot.

Holy shit, dude.
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:13
Cataract
So you ignore the rest of my comment?

At least put some effort into being a troll. Or even better, go back to 4chan. You'll fit in with every other idiot over there.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:13
power-glove
Cool story, bro.
robotbebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:15
robotbebop
Wow, homophobia, far-right consveratism AND Intelligent Design now.. this is GRRREAT!
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:18
Tubatic
People bring up discussion points and counterpoints to him all the time, but he ignores them.

Its really unfortunate.
greks224's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:18
greks224
All that you have made abundantly clear is your logic-fueled idiocy.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:21
ChronosWing
Anything intelligent that has ever come out of Hoborg's mouth is now invalidated because he believes in such stupid shit as intelligent design. Also your argument is stupid and can be reversed for the exact same reasons. No one knows, not you, not the christians, the athiests, the muslims, or the jews. NOBODY. You just make yourself look more like a sheep the more post about this nonsense.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:22
Sean Carey
Just because individuals don't agree with you doesn't mean that they missed the point -- but you already knew that.

A few points --

1. Relying on a translation of a translation of a translation of an ancient text, written by many different authors as the sole arbiter of your moral code is a poor policy. Due to its being removed from both the language and context it is written in, taking the bible literally in any shape or form to justify your position is both logically and ethically untenable. That would be like me saying, God meant for us to grow peaches and practice our times tables. You can twist the text to support any position you choose with a liberal sprinkling of semantics. I personally believe that there's wisdom to be found in the bible and other texts from many cultures, but it doesn't legitimize the statements you've made.

2. It's funny that you use Aristotelian tradition to back up your arguement, since Greek society is well documented as widely embracing homosexual relations.

3. Since you're so fond of statistics, how do you not recognize that the nearly 50% divorce rate among heterosexual married couples shows that the heterosexual union is no more "salubrious" than a homosexual union? The heterosexual union cannot be affirmed either, by the criteria you've used above.

Hoborg, you're welcome to your beliefs and opinions -- I certainly don't begrudge you that. But to posit that your beliefs somehow constitute "the truth" based on a flimsy collection of statistics and quotations is wrong. It's not that you didn't make yourself clear the first time, it's that your position doesn't contain enough merit to persuade others to change theirs.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:23
Blasto
Fuck, now it's on to the typical "rational christian" proof that the biblical "god exists and hates fags" nonsense.

Pricks like this assume anything that acknowledges the possibility of a "god" inherently means it's their god, because they're egotistical asshats who think they have it all figured out. A truly intelligent person realizes that can't know everything, let alone the existence (or lack there of) of a being that, if "it" did exist, is outside of our ability to perceive them. Hoborg isn't an intelligent person.

It was fun fun for a while guys, but he's been really going too far lately. Please stop responding directly to this moronic ass so that he'll go away. I beg you.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:25
MechaMonkey
STFUAJPG
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:27
ChronosWing
And Blasto and Walkyourpath wins, everyone can pack their bags and stop commenting, Hoborg it was nice try but you lose.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:27
blehman
"Why would I waste hours of time proofing and editing an entry to pristine perfection..."

The family has in recent decades began to brake down into less traditional families..."

You missed a spot.
robotbebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:27
robotbebop
"Knowledge is generated from experience in reality. You don't experience yourself as a random structure of interacting electrochemicals and particles"

Whoooooooa man... duuude.. that's like.... soo.. duuude..
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:29
mourning orange
God really fucked up when he made sex pleasurable.

When two same-sex people fall in love they know they can't produce a child so why do they bother having sex?

Because "God" made it fun.
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:30
power-glove
BTW, why are you still here if you are just going to be abrasive to community? Either you want to be here or you don't?
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:30
Sean Carey
Also, do some research on sexual functioning before making statements about what body parts are designed for. The prostate is well documented by Kinsey and other sexual researchers as being extremely erogenous, stimulation of which results in pleasurable bio-chemical effects, such as the release of endorphines and dopamine. Anal sex, as distasteful as it may be to you, makes people who engage in it more happy. Your argument falls short again in this area.
ZServ's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:32
ZServ
Your God doesnt exist.

Your argument is now invalid.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:33
Mike Moran
Give it up, Hoborg. Christians are not supposed to spread their faith by shoving their beliefs in other peoples' faces. They are supposed to spread their faith to those who want to listen. Anything else just does harm to your religion's reputation.

You're a long way off from doing your religion any good in the face of people who don't believe what you do. Keep it to yourself for everyone's benefit.
robotbebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:35
robotbebop
When you post content on any issue like this you're going to et backlash one way or another. You don't get the right to make a post on homosexuality and it's supposed inferiority and then whine when we all call you out on it.

You are so very clearly being a flame baiting troll.
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:38
sickNasty
"Universally, all societies are founded on the biological principle of reproduction in same-sex unions, "

Missed another spot.


Also, you're gay for thesauruses.
GoS-CPT-Stewart's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:38
GoS-CPT-Stewart
Maybe I'm just dizzy from all of the big words but...

We simply don't know the long term effects of the questionable union such as cancer risks and other psychological effects.

Is that sentence implying that gay marriage could potentially lead to cancer?
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:41
ChronosWing
@GOS

That is exactly what he is implying, he just another uninformed retard with a big mouth.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:43
Mike Moran
Also, what the hell do you expect? You're one person writing a response to a full community. You're complaining about your audience talking back to you? How is it possible for them to not gang up on you? Do you want people to comment one at a time and wait for you?

Man up already.

"Thus, God, as the creator of nature, is incontrovertible. If God creates nature, then, all ethical ends are contained in the design of natural objects. Fulfillment of nature is the fulfillment of ethics."

All ethical ends are contained in nature, hmm?

Please explain homosexual activity in nature, then. From what I can tell, you're saying that if it's natural, it's ethical.
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:44
BS3 Owner
@ Comment #43

Uh, Why do you let this go on Hamza; Why?
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:46
free touch
i love how you ignored my post, but whatever floats your boat bro.
Biff to the Future's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:46
Biff to the Future
Fabulous story, bro

ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:47
ChronosWing
And his only come back is to call me out on when I made my last blog. Once again and I think you were warned for this once already, last blog posts =/= site credibility. Your just a elitist asshole with a big mouth, go fuck yourself San Diego.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:48
shipero
"Cancer yes, in the throat among other areas depending on the sexual activities of the partners."

You do realize that even though people call them "fags" that gay people are not, in fact, cigarettes right?
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:50
ChronosWing
Then by all means please point them out, because I've never been racist to one person on this site.
Electro Lemon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:50
Electro Lemon
"Last entry on Chronoswing's blog: May 10th = fail."

I... you... what!?
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:53
sickNasty
The only reason there is a chance of increased oral cancer risk would be due to HPV, which has been known to lead to cervical cancer.

Anyone can get HPV, gay or straight. So yeah, gay people might be S'ing more D's so they might be more likely to get HPV. But their being gay isn't giving them cancer.
RAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:54
RAB
MOTHER FUCKING VIDEOGAMES YOU ASS HOLE
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:56
ChronosWing
YES THANK YOU HAMZA I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY LITTLE HEARTS :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:56
mourning orange
holy fuck banned!
GoS-CPT-Stewart's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 17:58
GoS-CPT-Stewart
Wow. I must say, it's been an honor to witness this banning. 'Twas pretty hilarious reading some of his stuff.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2009 18:00
Tubatic
And so goes another story on the internet.

Rest up. There's another right around the corner...
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