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Reinvent Zelda? But why?
Harukai | 7:31 PM on 02.25.2008 30 comments




After all these years of success and great games is it time Nintendo should change the formula?

Before I get into this here is my opinion: I love Zelda games and think they are all great (apart from the second one, that kind of sucked) and do not want them to start changing them drastically.

The reason I have created this post is because earlier today I was with my friends watching Gametrailers retrospective videos because they are so well done and my friends hadn't seen them. After going through the Final Fantasy ones and been shouted at since they now wanted to play all the Final Fantasy series again we moved onto the Zelda franchise.

Only one of my two friends who was with me had played most of the Zelda games and enjoyed the series, my other friend is a much more "casual gamer" and finds it hard to get into games and finish a lot of them, after going through the retrospective my friend who likes Zelda games said that "Ocarina of Time is definitely the best Zelda game all the new ones are just trying to remake that games greatness, I wish they'd do something different because their not really getting any new fans like this" where as my other friend said "I don't really see why there is such a hype over Zelda, I can't see the attraction they should make a different one for the Wii otherwise I'm not going to bother with it and I doubt anyone new to Zelda will either".

After this I was pretty stunned but then thought back to many reviews I saw for Twilight Princess, that hadn't been such a huge hit even though I loved it to pieces even though it didn't beat Ocarina of Time for me (but most games can never beat their best title, e.g. Final Fantasy VII) I thought it was a great new Zelda game to add to the series. So perhaps it's just me who still loves the new Zelda titles because I'm such a huge Zelda fanboy but I don't think that my love for the series could make me think a boring game was enjoyable.

I take their opinion though and agree not really too much has changed over the years with Zelda games apart from the jump from 2d to 3d and so they could do a lot more than make me shake my hand to attack so I don't get fat (instead I get arthritis) and let me point to aim my bow at foes. Now don't look at me for ideas I can't see what could make these games much better other than maybe a deeper story in the next title, but I think I like the Legend, being reborn as the new hero collecting things to beat other things and eventually fighting Ganon with my new gained power that collecting things have given me. It gives me a nice simple story like the Mario and Sonic series do in a different way, it's simple brilliant and fun but it could always do with a bit more.

But what do you guys think? I'd love to hear from people who haven't tried Zelda (and have taken their fingers out of their ears and removed themselves from the cave in which they reside) and see if they think changing the game drastically would make them want to try it. I'm happy keeping the game the same as it is and just giving a few new items, locations and story per new game but I understand I'm not the majority of the public. Over to you . . .



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27 comments | showing # 1 to 27
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Elitechief27's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:06
Elitechief27
Don't get me wrong I <3 me some Zelda, but a more hack and slash/RPG style like kingdom hearts would be nice. It's nothing too drastic, but it's enough to change the experiance for the better in my opinion
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:07
SourGr8pes
Please give us a bad guy other than Ganon/Ganondorf. I'd like to play a Zelda game where I actually can be surprised.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:11
notdryad
I don't know how they could change it but they need to breathe some new life into the franchise. Sure, the handheld Zeldas try something new usually but the console Zeldas are so formulaic that it's really starting to get old. Every console Zelda since Link to the Past (except Majora's Mask) has followed the same formula: Beat three dungeon, get the Master Sword, beat 5-7 more dungeons, then go kill Ganon and/or Ganondorf. They add some new items and maybe a couple gameplay gimmicks, but, it really just boils down to the same game. Hell, even the Gametrailers retrospective said that Ocarina of Time, despite the change to 3D, was essentially the same game that fans had come to know.

I still love Zelda as it was a big part of my childhood (LoZ on NES was the first game I ever beat the age of 4) but I really do wish they would find some ways to shake it up a little bit. Come on, Nintendo; don't you always claim that you're so innovative yet you're scared to take a risk with your big franchises?
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:11
Jonathan Holmes
I think they should do something radically different with the series, and I don't mean stylus only controls.

Link and Zelda should stay, the "find dungeon, get weapon, beat boss, repeat" formula should stay, but everything else must go.

They tried a series overhaul with the Wind Waker, but miss read what people want in a Zelda game. It wasn't sailing. It's exploring a huge, unpredictable world, and eventually feeling like it's you're home.

That could be done in sci-fi, steampunk, medieval or totally non-reality based setting. It doesn't have to always been in a pseudo Lord of the Rings world.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:12
notdryad
Oh, and I forgot to mention that you will meet a Princess named Zelda (typically with blond hair in nearly every game) and she will at some point in your adventure be kidnapped by Ganon/Ganondorf.
viralhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:13
viralhunter
@Elitechief

God NO, that's the last thing the series needs.
Thankfully nintendo has said that they are drastically changing the formula for the wii exclusive zelda. In fact, I woulnd't mind seeing a little less combat and character interaction, rather instead concentrating on exploration of VAST enviroments and solving puzzles in those enviromants. Im a sucker for games with desolate vibes.
JonDarkwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:14
JonDarkwood
A new plot would be nice. The games are so predictable now.
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:15
taumpytears
I would like sequel with a different setting. It could still be hyrule, but a different hyrule.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:16
notdryad
@Jonathan Holmes

You raise a pretty good point but I don't think it was sailing itself that was bad; it was the fact that they overabused sailing. The first time I sailed in WW I thought it was awesome but by the time I found out that I had to go sailing to find the pieces of the Triforce I was like, "Okay, whatever, let's just get this stupid shit over with so I can kill Ganondorf."
Scape's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:26
Scape
I really don't think they need to do anything with the series at all, but I think it would be interesting to see how the game would play if everything was on a grand scale.

Essentially having 20+ dungeons, a huge overworld (bigger than Oblivion), a huge number of story sequences, more NPCs. Make it a massive adventure.
SanityMask's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:28
SanityMask
I wish that this April Fool's zelda was true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcvdT2C31oc

@EliteChief: NEVER IN HELL!
Aziel13's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:30
Aziel13
NO!
period
nough said
anchorman84's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:30
anchorman84
@Jonathan Holmes

I think taking the Zelda franchise into a more "contemporary" time period or a not too distant dystopian society would be the best bet. Imagine a Zelda game set in a Blade Runner -esque setting.

I can see it now, Link trekking through an abandonned sewer system of the vast Hyrulian metropolis to get to the ruins of the Temple of Time. After finally getting to the Master sword chamber only to find it rusted and completely out of use, needing to find a new weapon to combat the evil dictator Ganondorf and his secret police....

Yeah, i know, never going to happen.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:32
Clint
I think that the four swords and four swords adventure had the perfect amount of reinvention. It was the same classic zelda at its heart but with added mechanics that helped keep it fresh and original. Its a shame that they seem to have been forgotten. It would work perfectly on the DS
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:33
notdryad
@SanityMask

That was pretty awesome. The concept art looked so awesome. If that game was actually real, I'd run out and buy a Wii to play it.
anchorman84's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:36
anchorman84
@ Sanity Mask

Holy shit that is creepy, i swear i never saw that video
grrza's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:54
grrza
LttP > OoT
FFVI > FFVII
&
SNES > games

That is all.
godkow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 20:56
godkow
I only mind change if it makes the games suck.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 21:13
notdryad
@Reaprar

But do you really think Nintendo would take Zelda in such a drastic and radically new direction? Zelda has always been a massive success financially and critically. I don't think they would really take such a huge risk. Remember how much of a shitstorm there was over Wind Waker's graphical design? I can't think of how much worse it would be if that future Zelda was real.

But alas, I can still dream of having a futuristic Zelda.
liqideos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 21:58
liqideos
I wouldn't mind seeing a LOZ game produced on a machine with power on par with at least 360.

I'm one of those cheap whores who prefers his gaming experiences in hd.

The april fools video is actually something I would love to see turn to reality. The concept art shot with the guy (Link?) in the gas mask was interesting.

LOZ as it stands doesn't entice me anymore.

New franchises that don't suck please Nintendo.
Rider Chop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 22:00
Rider Chop
nintendo wouldnt muck with zelda too much. sega tried to change it up with shadow and look how that turned out. give link a sub-machine gun and kill army guys? probably a bad idea, but awesome in theory
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 22:43
F Whipple
I'd like to see a more Devil May Cry-ish legend of zelda
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/25/2008 23:20
B-Radicate
I've never played a Zelda game, but have Twilight Princess sitting collecting dust next to my Wii.

After playing through roughly half of Mario Galaxy I realized most of Nintendo's games are all the same damn thing. I know for a fact Mario will save the princess after fighting through more waggle-laden levels and fighting Bowser. I also know in TP that I will undoubtedly fight lots of goblins and such to save the princess from Ganondorf. It's just the way those games are. And they give me no reason to play through them whatsoever.

I think they should remake Zelda more in the vein of Shadow of the Colossus. Then again, most games could be remade in that vein and I'd be a very happy boy.
epoch's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 00:06
epoch
what about a gta type zelda, what i mean by this is in the zelda games the towns are so damned small it's embarassing. I mean just cause it's medevil hyrule times doesn't mean the cities should be 4 square blocks.

I mean what kinda world is this where every town/capital city you come across you can walk thru in less then 5 minutes
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 00:25
vexed alex
I've been bored with Zelda since Majora's Mask. They need something new for the series. Sadly, the fanboys will be insulted and throw a big bitch fit if their beloved womanish looking hero is changed in any way.

There needs to be something different. Especially with the story. It feels almost like Mario. Zelda always needs saving.
Koobert's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 01:38
Koobert
Zelda's popularity among non-gamers is strange. I find it a challenging and very technical game, but heck, last time I was driving to PAX, the border guard told me the only game he played was Zelda. And that he bought a Wii for the new Zelda.

The way that they limit thsmelves by reusing the same concepts is unique, but does seem to get old. Majora's Mask was a bit of a departure, but was also kind of a flop, no?

I've never really got into these games as a whole... it might have something to do with being a Sega kid. How about a new Govellius?
kepler's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/28/2008 11:39
kepler
In my view I think that this ties to your other blog somewhat about whether or not the hero makes the game. I think in Zelda's case, having a developed hero (i.e. Link) whom most people recognise even if they haven't played the games is the main contributor to Zelda's enduring popularity. In fact, I would argue that because Zelda has quite a few iconic characters (e.g.Princess Zelda, Ganon(dorf), Epona), locations (Hyrule) and species of NPCs (e.g. Gorons, Zora), it is near on impossible to change the formula without having a negative outcome for some gamers. In short Zelda is an institution (arguably the most successful on console), and as a result it may be simply too risky to change an already winning, but aged, formula.
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