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Baroque: Yes it's good and yes you should buy it now
Gen Eric Gui | 9:18 PM on 04.08.2008 38 comments


After starting my game up, I died almost immediately. :( You lose VIT(vitality) while wandering around the "town" outside the tower, and when you run out your health starts ticking down. I didn't know this so I ended up entering the tower for the first time with only about 75% of my health. I then proceeded to get surrounded by these wheel looking enemies that kept ramming me until I died. :(

And holy fuck I loved every second of it.

This game is GRUESOME. That's really the only word for it. You heal HP and VIT by consuming the raw flesh and hearts of your enemies, if you can get them to drop. Most of the other items in the game are equally horrible, such as the status boosting parasites that you can inject yourself with, and branding irons that you can stab yourself or your items with to gain different kinds of powers and abilities(One I found in my second tower trip allowed me to start each tower floor with 10 seconds of invincibility, which is really nice). One of my favorite items so far are the bones, which have different kinds of effects from warping you places to blowing up to making you briefly immune to damage. The thing I like about them is that you get the effects via chewing on them, and I just get this image of the hero running around with a big soup bone in his mouth growling at enemy meta-beings.

Other than the style, however, it's pretty close to your standard rogue-like affair. You find shit randomly, enemies appear randomly, and the grand idea of the game is to figure out how best to deal with the enemies you're fighting with the equipment you have. Sometimes you find items that aren't identified and you have to guess at their effects, which can sometimes backfire (I hope this bone is an immunity bone *chomp* *kaboom*), but it's all good and if you play smart you don't have to worry about it.

The combat too is also very rogue-like in origin, where an awful lot of it is "I hit him and he hits me until one of us dies". But so far, almost every enemy I've fought has some kind of pattern to its attacks, and exploiting that pattern allows you to win without taking damage. The Wheel enemies that killed me on my first run can ONLY attack via the edges of their wheels, so if you can circle around to their flat side, they're completely helpless. You can also perform a stun attack by shaking the Wii remote(I assume there's a more conventional command for the PS2 version) that can interrupt enemy attacks, which also plays heavily into the combat strategy.

Also: BEST STATUS AILMENT EVER. There's a status ailment in this game called "Lust" where your character becomes overcome with feelings of animal attraction to EVERYTHING, and so he sees himself, and every enemy and item on the floor as a slutty Geisha. I lol'ed when it first happened to me. You have to be really careful and pay very close attention to everyone's shadows, since they don't change.

The only thing I feel I need to complain about is that the camera could have used a little work. The camera is fine as it is; it swivels responsively and you can auto-focus it by tapping Z. But from a purely ease-of-use point of view, I really wish that when you locked onto an enemy with the Z button that the camera followed it. It tends to make strafing a little bit harder than it needs to be, and enemies like to sneak up behind you a lot, and it's hard to get it to swivel fast enough sometimes.

If you like dungeon crawlers and horror-themed stuff, this game is the best thing ever. If you're squeamish or need your hand held, you'll probably get frustrated.

Oh, and Nintendo Power are a bunch of fucking sissies. This game isn't even close to as hard as they made it out to be, provided you can think on your feet. Once you get used to the camera and figure out the meta-being's patterns, they're pretty easy, like old-school megaman bosses. And besides that, there's a TRAINING DUNGEON you can do after your first trip into the tower that's easy as shit and gives you a free leather coat and a basic sword to start yourself off with. come on, most other rogue-likes don't give you that much help!



tl:dr this game is great and Nintendo Power is a poor magazine. This game is worth every cent.



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WiLLiSTER's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:32
WiLLiSTER
im a fag and hate video games.

baroque still sucks.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:37
Gen Eric Gui
Wow, the trolls are out thick tonight.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:38
Cowzilla3
I was intrigued but Okami is where I want to spend my Wii money this week.
Clyde's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:41
Clyde
I have my copy for the PS2, I don't think I would like to play with the wiimote controles...
The Timely Howard's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:44
The Timely Howard
Yeah, I was planning to buy it today, but none of the electronics stores in my area decided to stock Baroque for Wii; no sir, Winnipeg will only be a city that treats you well if you're a fine gentlemen looking to purchase Baroque for Sony's PlayStation2.

They couldn't even tell me when they might be getting some copies of Baroque for Wii in stock. Damn them to hell.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:44
Gen Eric Gui
You're pretty much the only one who regularly disagrees with me Reaprar. And that's pretty much because you're an obvious troll.
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:45
NegFactor
I'm intrigued. I might pick it up a little ways down the line. Your thoughts on this have piqued my curiosity ever so slightly. :P
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 21:57
ajay42
i was interested in what you had to say until this "anyone who said this game was bad is a fag and hates video games."

should have left well enough alone.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:07
Gen Eric Gui
Yeah, maybe I went too far with that.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:09
Gen Eric Gui
Aaaaand it never happened. I was talking about Nintendo Power with that line, but it wasn't obvious. I apologize.
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:17
MatCD
I'm 99% sold on this
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:17
Wexx
Yeah, I need to go get it soon. unfortunately, I won't have money till sometime next week, so hopefully I'll be able to find it then (It is an Atlus game...).
SPIDER PIG's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:23
SPIDER PIG
sold
riomccarthy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:26
riomccarthy
I have this on both Wii and PS2 after picking them up today. I tried it out on the Wii just to see how it controlled and I tried it using the classic controller. It wasn't horrible but I think I'll like it on PS2 better, so I'll probably try that tomorrow. :)
Xabora's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:27
Xabora
Whhhyyy meee!
As soon as I pick up a game I get hooked onto another one by you before I even own it.


Well, time to make a trip to gamestop sometime this week.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:28
Kyousuke Nanbu
The random dungeon thing ensures I will never try this.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:45
Gen Eric Gui
Kyosuke: Why the random dungeon hate? I've personally always liked the idea of not knowing what's behind the next corner and having to think on my feet.

Rio: I haven't tried the Classic Controller yet, but I really like the Wii remote controls so far. That might just be because holding my hands at my side while I play is infinitely more comfortable than holding them together, but who knows. I have accidentally done a few stun attacks because I moved my hand too much, which is kinda of irritating, but stun attacks happening accidentally isn't really a bad thing.
Count Grishnack's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:48
Count Grishnack
What about the "death to advance plot" element? I read this expecting something like "I died and XYZ happened, it was cool/lame." Maybe you don't want to spoil stuff...
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:49
Wedge
Oh jeese this came out? INVESTIGATION TIME.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 22:51
Kyousuke Nanbu
Cause all the games I've tried with a random dungeon mechanic I've hated.

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Persona 3, Izuna, it just seems like lazy game design, I reach a new area and all that changes is the walls.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 23:05
Gen Eric Gui
Very minor spoilers in this post, as far as I know.

Grishnack: I've only died once so far, on my first trip to the tower. I got a cryptic scene where some scientists talked about "abandoning the specimen" but the head guy stopped them and told them to re-administer some drug and to keep trying "on this one". He then thought aloud something like "I wonder if you'll figure out how to atone for your sins in the real world." And something about how "everyone needs a Baroque".

Most of the story I've seen so far has been really cryptic. It comes and goes with random scenes you see in the tower; I've spotted this little kid who looks a lot like the main character talking about "his scars", a woman who ran away from me and told me I needed to "find the Soul Orbs", a weird thing that said it was a Doctor and that it was "terrified of it's own Soul Orb" and some guy mumbling about a box being sealed by angels. Oh and this weird guy in an Iron Maiden that begged for me to purify him, aka kill him. Which I did.

I figure I'm supposed to remember these scenes and put them together with ones I'll see later to reveal what's going on.
Shalashaska161's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 23:08
Shalashaska161
I'll pick it up when I'm done school. Looks interesting, can't wait to try it.
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 23:14
madninja
The game didn't really hold my attention very well. I played it for a couple of hours then I said to myself, "This is boring," then I put in Persona 3 then forgot the game. The game is alright if you haven't played some amazing games out there.

That reminds me, Fes is coming out soon.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 23:21
Gen Eric Gui
@madninja: I've played just about every awesome game you can name and I still think the game is great. It really just has to do with if you like Roguelikes or not.
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2008 23:34
madninja
Wait, oh snap. Sorry didn't mean to type that part. I was talking to someone else about why he should not buy Army of Two. Sorry and it is not that I don't like Rougelikes (which there are some I like) this game looked to much like Persona 3 and I didn't finish it so I just played that. I may get back to it.
Victor Stillwater's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 02:24
Victor Stillwater
I want to buy this game... but it might take a while for it to reach the Philippines. Here's to hoping some of my relatives in the US can pick it up! :D
Tug Your God Out's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 07:30
Tug Your God Out
Yeah I kept flipping back and forth on this one. Hadn't heard anything good about it and one of my friends living in Japan said it's considered the worst game in the series -- I wasn't exactly aware there were others so I assume this is the first one in America we're getting?

But the first game I ever remember being sat in front of was Rogue and to this day still in my top 10. You may have gotten Baroque another sale.

But first I got to get through Mana Khemia and get my review going. Doesn't help that it took Amazon 11 days to ship the damn thing here.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 08:17
Gen Eric Gui
It's not a series. The game was originall made as a first-person dungeon crawler for the Saturn, it got ported the the PS1, and then it got remade in it's current form for the PS2 and was ported to the Wii.

It's a single game that's been remade and ported a bunch of times, not a series(At least as far as Atlus says).
BlackSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 08:19
BlackSheep
if this game turns ppl into douchebags...

do not want :)
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 12:29
Knivy
I just need to check out if there are any differences between the PS2 and Wii version, besides the obvious controller things for the Wii.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 12:56
Gen Eric Gui
Wii version has widescreen support and the PS2 version doesn't. Atlus says that's the only difference. Wii version also apparently had less copies shipped.
Tug Your God Out's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/09/2008 17:26
Tug Your God Out
Hmm he made it sound like a series, but you know -- sometimes people have no idea what they're talking about. Still I hope he's right about this being the first time it's hit here in America.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2008 12:51
Tubatic
"Once you get used to the camera and figure out the meta-being's patterns, they're pretty easy, like old-school megaman bosses"

Well, I think you've just sold me on definitely renting this game at some point!!

For reference, I regularly don't agree with what you have to say also. But I definitely try not to be a Reaprar about it :)
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