http://n4g.com/News-192016.aspx
So I can't say I didn't see this coming, but it still hurts to actually see it up there.
These men are so dead set on stamping their image on Fallout that, in the end, I'm betting we'll end up with more B-Fallouts than originals.
Arrgh.
Look, howsabout throwing us a bone, Bethesda? Switch off...one TPS then one turn-based. Sure, a game that looks and plays anything like it's predecessors is naturally doomed to failure (those poor bastards at Blizzards don't know what they're in for), but using the ancient technology that they used for the first two you could probably knock one off in a couple of hours.
Is that so much to ask?
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Here's to hoping they develop a new engine for the next one though and not just a rehash of the old one :P
+ You can't deny the amount of work they're going to try and recreate the original fallout :| What with all the backstorys, and promotional stuff they're going for. At least they're staying true (so far as it seems) to the story.
The fact is, though, these people are taking a game that I love and twisting it into something nearly unrecognizable...and yet keeping the name, and thus preventing someone else from making a real sequel.
I want to be 100% about this; Fallout 3 might be great. It will be, I expect, the best Bethesda game ever made, and I LIKE Bethesda's games...but it is not the Fallout game that I want, and if they spend the next 10 years hogging the franchise and keeping anyone from making a proper follow-up then I will be very, very upset (and I'm sure they don't want to risk that...sigh).
It's sad but true and something like that will never be again :(
this game retains hardly anything of the originals except some over the top violence and some fluff that is easily recognisable as part of the Fallout universe.
Todd Howard also thought it was great that people were playing it like an FPS not realising there were other elements to the combat...
Best thing you can do with this gameis just forget about it's association to the other games and play as a standalone thing.
I don't really have to face any such thing. The argument that the advance of technology somehow obsoletes an entire style of game is ludicrous.
When Fallout first came out there were non-turn based games on the market...there was even a RPG/FPS hybrid, System Shock (kinda a classic in some circles I understand) released THREE YEARS before. What Bethesda has chosen to do with the game is nothing new.
What's more, I'm not saying that I want to see a simple expansion to Fallout 2. All I'm suggesting is perhaps there's some sort of middle ground between a fan mod of FO2 and essentially abandoning the style of the first two games completely. I'd be fine with third or first person, really, so long as the combat was still turn based (and before you say that it's impossible, I'd like to say that doing the seemingly impossible is what true innovation is about). KOTOR, a rather successful game you also may have heard of, had some success there, and I think with some refinement and a bit of focus on the turn based rather than RTwP aspect of that game (which was a bit more necessary, what with the lightsabers) something that was more satisfying to everyone could be achieved.
But hey, that may just be me.
@Timmeh
Yup, that's about the size of it. It just hit me on reading this story that I'm going to have to watch them trot out the corpse of a loved one for many, many years now.
It's not such a huge game with the new-gen console freaks that make up the majority of gamers nowadays either :| Making something like that would just not be a huge money making proposition :| And that's gonna be the hugest craw in every dev/publishers mind.
They're in it for the money, and there's more money slapping the fallout name elsewhere.
Being innovative is about taking risks. You are right, the current wisdom is that such a game is untenable...but some of the greatest successes in history were from people who went against the current accepted wisdom...the most glaring and current example being the Wii.
Now, I don't hold the desire to make money against Bethesda, but they do not get to have it both ways. They are trying to be corporate me-tooers while trading on the credibility of the Fallout franchise; that is what pains me the most. We're meant to take this as a rebirth, when it's essentially a higher quality BoS.
The problem is that it's all still simple :| Complex games are shunned and usually tank on sales (i.e Nexus). Everything has been progressively dumbed down over time now :( It makes me very sad
As to your second point, agreed...now what are we going to do about it?
We have very limited options...I'd love to make my own games, but that's a bit out of reach at the moment. So, I'll do what I can and speak out when I see something like this that is a blow against the things I like best about gaming.
Not that it'll do much good, most likely, but hey, at least it makes me feel a bit better to vent.
I never really liked the Turn Based aspect of it in the first place, it was the total atmosphere that I loved in Fallout. I just played my way through it and managed to not dismiss it as horrible or amazing.
Not to say the TPS/FPS/OMGWTFBBQ play style Beth is incorprating won't be better or worse, but from what I've seen, I'm going to enjoy this game for the same reason I enjoyed Fallout 1/2.
It has an atmosphere that I love, and gameplay that didn't suck.
Tis all there is to it IMHO.
(Note: I enjoyed Oblivion for about a week, before I sold it and got Kameo. Not because it was bad, but because all dem PC faps went around toting their Mods and shit after I was looking for something else to do, and Kameo was next on my playlist.)
i'm just sayin ;p don't hate on bethesda cause no one was gonna do it wether they held the license anyways :|
At least the game would be decent.
Imagine what would happen to the license if it fell in someone else's hands?
EA perhaps?
Besides, who's to say what could have been done with the license if Bethesda had simply created their own sci-fi shooter and left Fallout to someone more faithful? As it stands now we certainly won't know for at least a decade.
Actually, not bad at all, but everyone HATES the Wii, sooo....
@ Daxelman - I like the wii ><
If it's the atmosphere and stuff like that you enjoyed about the originals I'm not too sure those exist to any great extent in the new game either. Setting-Wise its okay but I think that's about it.
@Timmeh: I don't know, I see a lot of humor, and a lot of potential, DIY Humor.
Best kind of humor in my opinion.