What happened with the community this weekend? There was a lot of drama. And since Failcast is the unofficial community podcast, we'll be talking all about the topic on this week's show, featuring community guest
Itemforty. Because of the nature of this topic, though, this isn't a typical questions post. We want to hear about your thoughts on the current state of the community. Tell us what you think about Ron's ban, and the other few recent bans that occurred. Let us know what your really think about how Destructoid has changed over the past year or more - for the better and for the worse. This is a call for open, honest opinions. If you're still feeling low about this weekend, nothing is going to change unless we clear the air and start talking about this stuff.
We will be reading your posts during our recording and mixing them in throughout the podcast as they come up in discussion. If you really want to, stick by your computer from about 10PM-2AM EST and if we're flowing well and have our shit together, we might contact you to get on the show.
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What about bill lambier?
Farst comment.
And seriously, can't ONE person comment ONCE about how bad an attempt it is so that failblogs don't get girl intro sized comment threads?
And why you so racist Necros?
I'm really happy everyone liked my blog. We had planned this show for a few days now, so we decided to still roll with it because I don't think I'm the final word on Destructoid. I'd really like to hear other people's ideas on how Dtoid is right now and what actions we could take.
Ron, though, I'm pretty bummed about.
I think Necro's blog made some really great points that we should all take to heart. The fact that Tyra has taken over DToid today remind me why I love this site as more than another video game blog.
So to play Devil's Advocate I have to wonder though in light of Tyra Tuesday, and some of the most recent discussion, if a new member posted something like that they would most likely get flammed and be told they suck, but it's okay for editors and veteran members to post? I'm not saying that it's wrong (I added to the Tyra Love), but it got me thinking that there's a little bit of a double standard.
We say we want better quality, but we also take pride in this site being a little more edgy with less bullshit. So where is the fine line?
But seriously, can someone please tell people that "cliques" within the community is not some horrible thing? The community itself is all 30,000 DToiders, we cannot get close in those kind of parameters, so we must make smaller groups, which are still welcoming and not exclusive. God some people are dumb.
Also, did any one catch of the epic HANDEGG games on tv this weekend?
I request word filters for soccer = football, and football = HANDEGG.
Maybe part of it is the front page linking issue. If there was an active threads block as visible as the cblogs I bet you the divide would melt away. Having a thread in Hamza's recaps are a start though.
i don't know why but there seems to be a wave of new person on the blogs, and the problem is that these people appears to come here and expect the blogs to be as meaningless as the IGN's, Gamespot's (Gamestop?) and Screwattack's ones.
Another problem appeared after the wave of Bans , people are affraid to flame the above-mentionned persons because they also fear to be banned. This leads the commenters to not flame the horribles bloggers, who then thinks that the way they blog is acceptable in this community.
I really don't think that my toughts turned out ot be understandable since i have a lot of problem turning my toughts into readable sentences.
Workman's banning was unwarranted and I'm really disappointed that such a thing happened but it's out of our control and we don't know the full story so I have no input. But if my impression of things is correct it was in very poor taste.
Reaprar and Heretic took things a bit too far, Heretic especially. Reaprar hadn't posted in awhile so I think a warning should have been sent to him at the least before the hammer was swung. Heretic was a an alright guy but flaunting in someone's face that they won't be banned is pretty lame.
There's more on my mind but then I'd be writing an editorial. I KNOW these things happen because of Ad support and such but I was asked if the community got worse and I honestly say yes it has. It actually pains me to say it but some things need to get out there
THE FAILCAST ARE GO
Also, is there any way you guys can do a general overview about what all the controversy is about? Persona 3 has been eating up all my time so I have been on the site to witness the drama unfold.
also @Chad - have you used your present to see the dolphins?
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*don't be over analytical. pickles are just awesome and tasty.
Ugh. I didn't even realize I wrote it that way. I fail at life :( hahah
I wish Ron was back. That is all.
I don't agree with the banning of Reaprar. I Didn't realize he was that bad, I actually kind of liked him. Heretic, on the other hand, was just ridiculous. I read Niero's comment, and I was listening to the Shadow of the Colossus soundtrack when I did, and it made it that much more intimidating when I got to the part that was more intense.
I dunno about Ron getting banned. There must be some private stuff between him and Niero or something, because I didn't really see that coming. It's a shame, but... It's Niero's site. Piss him off (Like Heretic, directly, for everyone to see) and he'll ban ya. Not to make him seem like a power-hungry jerk, which he isn't(AT ALL), this is the first time someone's been banned in, hell, 6 months? That's just the way things are.
Can't wait for this episode :D
Not yet. I am waiting (very impatiently) for it to get warmer. I AM SO EXCITED! :D
I second a lot of what Necros mentioned in his earlier post. The writing needs to go back to what it used to be: campy, humorous and witty. I miss my captain obvious and Bargain Bin Ladens of the world. Please come back!
From a personal perspective, I don't want to sound too harsh, but I just kind of got sick of waiting around for supposed "projects" in the works with Dtoid. I'm not going to mention any names, but certain people over the last year and a half have strung me along with the possibilities of cool game ideas or artistic projects that mostly don't end up being made at all. I just got sick of being promised this falsely and just happen. Some people just blow a shit load of steam at Dtoid without any follow through. Frankly, my time and talents are not worth such disrespect. After these incidents it became hard for me to respect Dtoid as much or take it very seriously. (Not that I would ever use "serious" to describe such a silly and awesome place).
From a community standpoint, Dtoid is still very cliquish I suppose, but I don't think anyone is super "elite" or feels they are better than everyone else. The pace of the writing has gotten far too quick and tabloidish, reporting on the most minuscule bits like "ooooh a new song for Lips, let's write a whole piece just on that which nobody cares about!". I liked it back in the day where there was a steady flow of news, but at least I could keep up with it all. The humour is also lacking, no more funny-as-shit features or silly memes being created (lack of Workmengs).
That's some of my feelings on the issue, I took some of what I said from my ramblings in the emailer, sorry if you read it a second time.
Nanbu, though, deserved to be IP banned from the internet.
I feel like I'm disrespecting the dead...
As for what Naia said, yes, if Aerox hadn't done the Tyra post and Dtoider35000 did it I bet it wouldn't have been accepted as well, but I see this as normal, one obviously is more willing to accept something from someone they know that from someone they just met.
Also, I think it's mostly bs all the talk about "I'm afraid of getting banned" because of last week's bans, I mean sure, they might consider the risk of getting banned now, but that wasn't the reason why they stopped posting or didn't post/comment as often as they did before last week.
Last, has anyone consider that the community has become an alive sentient being? By this I mean that if the site crashed one day and stayed offline for a week, the emailer, vent, IRC, steam and all those other places would still hold a good part of the community together.
WAAAAALLLLL-EEEEE
Heretic was shit, and he deserves the ban.
I agree with DJDuffy that we need to get feature articles back in the community. I for one enjoyed reading the Bargain Bin Laden and wish they would return.
Another thing though is that, maybe our meme blogs get a little out of hand. If anyone posted anything serious today it was instantly buried under all the Tyra stuff that went on. Its fun sure, but if we demand new content and good blogs then maybe we should cut back on our meme blogs, or just comment on the first one and leave it at that.
That being said, the only bailout we're getting is to make this place better with our own hands. We must produce better blogs all around. We must make better forum posts. We must make FNF what it once was by bringing together everybody, by changing up what games we play, and by making it engaging again. We can do all of this and more if we put forth the effort. I know we have it in us, Dtoid community. And I will do everything in my power to make things happen, but I can't do this alone. I need everyone's help. We need everyone's help.
On my end, my features are coming back. All of them. I have a ton of stuff lined up, and I don't care how long it takes to get them written, but I want my features back. And if Bargain Bin Laden doesn't come back to the front page, I'll probably end up picking that up as a C-Blog feature because, frankly, I bargain bin dive a lot and find a ton of great stuff. A lot of crap, yes, but great stuff, too.
That, however, really highlights the best way to get the blogs and everything else back in order: write about what you love, community. You like shmups? OK, make a blog post on it and go from there. That's how half of my features started out. I'm sure you'll find some great ways to write up your favorite things if you try.
I see much promise in Destructoid. It's all about achieving it. And I believe in you guys.
Do you think there is anyway for Dtoid to regain its former glory, and do you think site badges and groups are going to do anything? To me, it seems like the devoted community members already have their unofficial groups, and this seems like a penance of too little, too late.
Stupid question time:
How long until we see a cheesy VH1 biopic about the ridiculously fast rise and slower descent of Dtoid? Please cast the film as well.
I also have a problem how the banning of Ron, Heretic, and Reprar are getting balled into the same problem with DToid changing. They are TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS and should be discussed as such.
Also, maybe some members need to stop making lots and lots of drama and like... play some games? That's what this site is about right?