I almost skipped over this blog due to my own aversion to the whole "games as art" wank-fest, but this turned out to be a good read. I would fap this blog, but for some reason it's not working. So you get a phantom fap from me.
I'm strongly in the "games as fun" camp, and don't really give a fuck about any kind of grand philosophical/sociological underpinnings in this medium. I want to be entertained by a game, not lectured. I can and will go read a book if that's the thing I want at the time. For me, gaming is a brief escape from the general suckiness of real life.
I'm strongly in the "games as fun" camp, and don't really give a fuck about any kind of grand philosophical/sociological underpinnings in this medium. I want to be entertained by a game, not lectured. I can and will go read a book if that's the thing I want at the time. For me, gaming is a brief escape from the general suckiness of real life.
I'm totally saving this link to show people the next time anyone brings up that debate.
Great read, sir.
Great read, sir.
Excremento's Law:
Invoking Shadow of the Colossus in an argument about artisic merit in videogames means you lose.
Invoking Shadow of the Colossus in an argument about artisic merit in videogames means you lose.
This is an amazing blog, if only because it acknowledges that "art" is subjective. Heck, I know people who don't believe movies or books can be art.
A good read, but I don't really care what others define as "art" or not as I have my own personal definitions... and it's pretty simple - anything that is visually pleasing and evokes an emotion.
It can be a painting, a photograph, the first crocus of spring poking through the snow... or it can be the intake of breath on climbing to the top of the lighthouse in Oblivion and seeing the sun set. It can be my first experience with Flower, or the cutscenes in Heavenly Sword... or more recent moments in COD:MW2 where I just looked around and thought "wow".
Eh... then again, I never truly thought that Jackson Pollock's works were "art" so what do I know!
It can be a painting, a photograph, the first crocus of spring poking through the snow... or it can be the intake of breath on climbing to the top of the lighthouse in Oblivion and seeing the sun set. It can be my first experience with Flower, or the cutscenes in Heavenly Sword... or more recent moments in COD:MW2 where I just looked around and thought "wow".
Eh... then again, I never truly thought that Jackson Pollock's works were "art" so what do I know!
@ Elsa
You make a good point, but my argument is directed towards those that have a checklist of things that need to be met in order to consider it art. In your own comment you said "anything that is visually pleasing AND evokes an emotion".
I'm simply asking a question so plese don't take offense, just trying to add a few wrinkles in my brain today.
Does this mean that you don't think a game could be considered to contain artistic merit unless it satisfies both criteria?
So essentially if a game makes you feel emotional but looks like ass it wouldn't count? So that means that the original X-men game on the NES isn't a piece of art...hey wait!
Or if you took it vice versa and it was a gorgeous game that you just meh-ed you way through, it wouldn't count either.
Wait, goddamnit this was a trap to get me to talk about the argument I'm arguing against/for...sheesh, I hate being tricked!
You make a good point, but my argument is directed towards those that have a checklist of things that need to be met in order to consider it art. In your own comment you said "anything that is visually pleasing AND evokes an emotion".
I'm simply asking a question so plese don't take offense, just trying to add a few wrinkles in my brain today.
Does this mean that you don't think a game could be considered to contain artistic merit unless it satisfies both criteria?
So essentially if a game makes you feel emotional but looks like ass it wouldn't count? So that means that the original X-men game on the NES isn't a piece of art...hey wait!
Or if you took it vice versa and it was a gorgeous game that you just meh-ed you way through, it wouldn't count either.
Wait, goddamnit this was a trap to get me to talk about the argument I'm arguing against/for...sheesh, I hate being tricked!
Theres something kind of shallow about only noticing the visual beauty of game, like your missing the point.
Games aren't just pictures, theres the core game mechanics that keep you playing, how the game responds to your interaction, why does one game simply play better or worse than another, I would consider that a more important aspect.
Games most important aspect being interaction.
But in truth it's a bit of everything, audio, visuals, story, game mechanics. It's a medium that has a lot of facets, some games skew to certain areas more than others.
Games aren't just pictures, theres the core game mechanics that keep you playing, how the game responds to your interaction, why does one game simply play better or worse than another, I would consider that a more important aspect.
Games most important aspect being interaction.
But in truth it's a bit of everything, audio, visuals, story, game mechanics. It's a medium that has a lot of facets, some games skew to certain areas more than others.
I'm getting pretty tired of seeing the word 'art' throw around, too, but probably for different reasons. I think the "are games art" debate is tangential to good criticism. Instead of muckraking in semantics, serious games writers should be taken games on their own terms: how does this mechanic or design fit into this one? How do the narrative and the mechanics work together? What does this type of interaction have to tell us -- about ourselves, about the game as a whole, about anything at all?
Taking the time to see what each game has to offer -- on any number of levels, from fun up to high philosophy and back again -- should be, in my eyes, of primary import. Trying to figure out if that constitutes are seems secondary.
Taking the time to see what each game has to offer -- on any number of levels, from fun up to high philosophy and back again -- should be, in my eyes, of primary import. Trying to figure out if that constitutes are seems secondary.
... when I say "visually pleasing"... it doesn't need to be "pretty"... just something I want to look at. If I "want" to look at it, it must arouse some form of emotion... even if the emotion is merely curiosity - so for me, the two go hand in hand.
... and yes, if a game looks like ass, then to me it's not art if I merely dismiss it and have no emotion, interest or inclination to further examine the input.
"looks like ass" is subjective though (as is art). To me a screen from pacman hold more visual interest than a Jackson Pollock piece.
... and yes, if a game looks like ass, then to me it's not art if I merely dismiss it and have no emotion, interest or inclination to further examine the input.
"looks like ass" is subjective though (as is art). To me a screen from pacman hold more visual interest than a Jackson Pollock piece.
@ elsa
Fair enough, I was just foolin' with ya anyways
@ EDS
Yes you do, who are you kidding!?!
@ Joseph Leray & flabzilla
I completely agree, the melange of the entire experience should be used when criticising games, not just the typical "graphics sucked" argument.
Fair enough, I was just foolin' with ya anyways
@ EDS
Yes you do, who are you kidding!?!
@ Joseph Leray & flabzilla
I completely agree, the melange of the entire experience should be used when criticising games, not just the typical "graphics sucked" argument.
Games are definitely art in my book. In both senses of the word; 1. A Craft/Skill 2. The senses/emotions they cause.
Art: Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music, literature, film, sculpture, games, and paintings. The meaning of art is explored in a branch of philosophy known as aesthetics.
I am therefore I game.
Art: Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music, literature, film, sculpture, games, and paintings. The meaning of art is explored in a branch of philosophy known as aesthetics.
I am therefore I game.
No, really, I don't know what to say on the matter anymore. It all seems pretty pointless to me these days. I figure if you're sitting home and you're playing a game and you think it's a work of art then I guess it's a work of art. Why argue? If others agree, discuss it with them, and if they don't, oh well.
Just enjoy the games you play, for whatever reason they appeal to you.
Just enjoy the games you play, for whatever reason they appeal to you.
I honestly never see people "arguing" about whether games are art. More often it's people complaining that too many people are arguing about whether games are art. Like a child plugging their ears and telling mommy dad to stop fighting when mom and dad aren't even saying anything. I don't actually believe the "Games As Art Debate" exists. Not in the sense of two equal camps of "Games Are Art" and "Games Aren't Art" squaring off against each other. There's a "Games Are Art" crew and an "I Don't Like Talking About Art Because I Lack The Critical Vocabulary" crew.
If I could fap a million times, I would.
Just another example of how other people can communicate my thoughts better than I can.
Just another example of how other people can communicate my thoughts better than I can.

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