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meh... I think I'll just keep changing my sidebar until I find something I'm happy with.

slightly relevant stuff... I'm old (49), I'm female, I'm happily married.

more relevant stuff... I like online FPS games, I like to play online with other Dtoid members. I'm primarily a PS3 gamer but you can occasionally find me on Xbox (though I don't currently have gold, but expect to get it again around Christmas).


PSN: Elsa
XBL: Elssa62
Playstation Gamer Advisory Panel Member (GAP)

Currently Playing:
PS3:
Two Worlds 2
Uncharted 2 and 3
MAG (mostly Raven, though I have a SVER alt)
... and occasionally Warhawk, UT3, Resistance 2 co-op or Killzone 2!

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Halo Reach.
Left 4 Dead 2
Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga


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UT3
Portal 1&2
Sacred 2
Bioshock series
Oblivion
Fallout series
Dragon Age: Origins
Resistance series
Killzone 2
Left 4 Dead 2

Can't wait for:
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Skyrim!





Some blogs I wrote that I like:
Girls with Guns
Guess the Gender
A Girl's Guide to FPS Gaming
Me and My Chainmail Bikini...
Adopt a Troll!
Fanboy Wars - the game!

Promoted C-Blogs:
Undies and a Knife
He dumped me! That Bastard!
Love/Hate: Being a Girl Gamer
The Future: The Year is 2029
My Expertise: Leader of Men
The Great Escape: From Physical Pain
More than Just Noise: Boom Headshot!
2010 Sucked: Game Addiction Issues
Technical Difficulties: He teabagged me!

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The Forgotten: Playstation's Gamer Advisory Panel
Elsa | 1:37 PM on 09.30.2009 30 comments




It's the house party that just won't die! They shut off the lights, turned the music down, locked the doors, and every once in awhile the Admins wander in wearing their bathrobes - yawning and looking around with an expression of "you're still here??... the party's over... go home". Over six years later, it seems that the party is indeed over. In about April of 2003, Sony first revealed the existance of a group called the "Gamer Advisory Panel", which became commonly referred to as "GAP". The group was essentially a focus group for various surveys as Sony worked on the development of both the PSP and the PS3.



The Gamer Advisory Panel was also an invite-only group and on receiving the invitation gamers were granted access to a private blogging portion of the Playstation site. Most new members received a fancy certificate of membership and also a welcome gift that changed over the years, but generally was an item like a hat, t-shirt, disc binder or other small item. In exchange for their involvement they were promised such things as the following:
* Opportunities to provide feedback (generally through various surveys, but also in response to blogs posted by the site admin) * Prioritized access to beta tests
* Opportunities to work at Playstation events and promotions (Ozzfest, Comic-con, and sometimes instore promotions at various locations) * Access to exclusive insider events, including contests
* A shot to win a trip to E3 (this contest was last held in 2006)

For the most part, the promises made were fulfilled. I got the invite in early 2006, a few months after registering a launch PSP. I was admittedly a bit puzzled about the certificate which stated that I was apparently "one of the most elite, involved gamers in the Playstation Underground". I had only made a few posts on the PSU and my gaming skillz were hardly "elite"! After awhile I soon came to realize that membership was likely either entirely random or particular demographics were targeted (acquisition of newer consoles seemed a definite factor as most newcomers had a PSP and later newcomers had a PS3).



The biggest promise was the "power to shape the future of gaming" which did happen. Early members received many surveys which helped to shape the current PSP and PS3 units and many of the contests were unique. One I still remember was for the God of War 2 Alternate costume contest. GAP members submitted their alternate costume ideas and then they also got to vote on the submissions to select the final costume. Amusingly GAP members voted for the "COD of War" costume, and astonishingly the Devs actually fulfilled their promise and included the costume in the final game. It illustrated that gamers have a sense of humour, and it was a fun addition to a fairly serious game - indeed changing "the future of gaming" to some small extent.



So GAP served it's purpose and more members were added to GAP regularly in giant waves of invites where the community was flooded with "hi I'm new" posts. Slowly things changed though. With the release of the PSP and PS3 the surveys decreased. When the Playstation.blog became a reality and feedback could be more direct, surveys to GAP members ceased. Data that once they relied on GAP members for, they now had direct access to. With the PSP and PS3 being connected to the web, Sony now had access to what games were being played, how long, the movies we watched, how many unique users used a PSP or PS3 unit, the web sites we surfed, how many friends we have or don't have, heck, they probably even know what we eat for breakfast (and quit scratching yourself there... it's not polite!) With this "hard data", new alternate feedback mechanisms such as the Playstation blog, and the ability to send out betas electronically without a physical disc or UMD... input from GAP members became obsolete and basically not needed.

About a year ago, new members stopped appearing. New contests became increasingly rare, and beta invites came through pre-orders, random selection or PSU forum participation. There were no new surveys and the website itself began to become outdated and stale with old contests, old promises and old information that was never changed or updated. Members gradually left for the usual reasons... school, life changes, other websites. With no new incoming members, active participation in the GAP community decreased. However, Sony seemed to forget that it's people that make the party. Even with no music, no booze, no cake and no balloons... the people there have formed a community. While it's not always a "happy" community, the GAP site is still "home" to many gamers. So what do you do with a group that refuses to leave when the party's over? Sony essentially created a prestigious private club and everyone wanted in. To this day there are still threads on the PSU forums with enquiries regarding "how do I get into GAP?". Do you tell them that you're shutting the doors and give them a timeline? Do you hope that eventually they finally do drunkenly wander off and you can quietly close the doors? Do you create a new program (possibly P.S. Thanks) and invite them in? Do you kick them out on their asses and quickly lock the door behind them? Could (and should) the program be reinvented? Sony could learn a lot about group mechanics by looking at GAP more closely. How large gaming groups work, the benefits to Sony, how groups could better be incorporated and catered to.... but that's another blog!

I used to be a very active member on GAP and was even a GAP moderator for several years. I came to Destructoid, because I started looking for a new gaming community. Somewhere that I could game online with other people, somewhere that I could read and write... and somewhere that what I write might actually be noticed by Playstation. In all honesty I don't think they read GAP anymore, and have rather forgotten about us. In some ways I'm glad they shut the party down as otherwise I would never have joined Destructoid... but in many other ways I'm saddened not by the loss of the "perks" of being a GAP member, but rather by the loss of the community. I still lurk on GAP and occasionally participate, but the site's stagnation and unknown future is unsettling and makes me feel sad. Playstation's Gamer Advisory Panel seems to have become "forgotten". :(



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Tha_Meat's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:02
Tha_Meat
Fall into the GAP
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:02
Stevil
Welcome to the world of PR Horror...Good Luck.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:06
ChronosWing
I used to be in this a long time ago as well, got tons of beta's for PS2 and PSP, it was a great perk, then one day they decided to change the whole site over and didn't bother telling half the people that if you didn't transfer your account you would lose it. Needless to say I had no idea until a couple months ago when I realized GAP members were getting to play the Uncharted 2 Beta and for some reason I never got an invite.... sad day indeed.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:07
MrSadistic
I never participated the GAP community. To be honest, I was like around half of the people who were in it, and that was for the sweet contests, swag, and plenty of sweet, delicious beta keys. I did get that sweet certificate though, and a fancy mini plastic card for my key chain. I like to flash it whenever I want to impress the ladies. Holla. I also got me a fancy Playstation cap from them as well.

The best thing about the GAP I will remember the most, though, are those sweet demo discs they would give out for various games back in the PS2 days.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:11
Elsa
Yeah, there were various changes to the site over the years (including problems with people being locked out with the PSN/PSU name change)... currently it's a cross between the C-blogs here and a forum... but the sense of community was always very strong for those that participated.

As some of you noted though... most were members for the perks and didn't really participate much. Hard to believe but while the membership was supposedly less than 1% of the Playstation console owners, there were still tens of thousands of GAP members (the last guesstimate was around the 80,000 mark!)
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:24
shipero
I was another one that was in it for the perks as well. I didn't even know they had a community blog site until you mentioned it.

While I do enjoy the freedom to download demos whenever I want I kind of miss the old PlayStation Underground demo disks. It was like a mini Christmas whenever those came in.
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 14:49
Andrew Kauz
Ah yes, I remember this. I signed up I think pretty much right after it got started, and I do suppose there was some cool stuff. I remember getting some cool swag and some beta type stuff as well.

Yeah, I was definitely in it for the perks. I didn't participate much at all.
Diverse's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 15:04
Diverse
I was in it for the demos.



I was really sad that they stopped sending them to me... my last one was NBA '07, and I haven't even opened it yet. I never took part in the community either, I used to be really active on the Playstation forums though, but that was nearly a decade ago. Oh well. Nice read, Elsa!
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 15:27
Takeshi
We didn't have something like that in The Netherlands. Well, we don't get any games so there wouldn't be any useful thing to do for the GAP other than saying "Give us some games please and not a year or so later." But I did get some free stuff sometimes. Small packages from Switzerland (?) containing demo's.

I also miss it a bit. Those demo's. Well, to be honest I've got the same feeling every single week when the PSN store get updated.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 15:32
Y0j1mb0
Good read, as always E.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 16:05
Sean Carey
Their loss is our gain. It's a shame to put so much time and effort into a community that stops being supported, but at least we now get the benefit of your participation!

Enjoyed the read -- you mentioned being a part of the Panel, but I never knew what it really was or what happened to it.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 16:50
Topher Cantler
Ah, I remember the GAP. So much free stuff. I posted a rant blog after Sony shut down Lik-Sang and they deleted it. I stopped getting free stuff after that.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 16:52
mix
I'm in the GAP and it was like christmas indeed!

I got a PS flexfit hat and a ton of demos, I get nothing now :(
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 17:03
CelicaCrazed
I never had a chance to become a part of GAP because the PlayStation 3 is my first Sony console. But you guys did let me join in on Warhawk Thursdays so that was pretty awesome. *sigh* I miss my PS3 and Warhawk...
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 17:08
Joanna Mueller
Sony: Party's over kids, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 17:44
Elsa
Celica... you miss your PS3??? What happened? I've been keeping an eye out for you at the Warhawk game, but just thought you were busy.

Topher... probably a moderator deleted your story. The site admin rarely interfere with the site unless a moderator requests assistance. The moderators are just other members who have a delete button for the story section... but they all have pretty different ideas of what constitutes a "story". If you had posted to your personal blog it would never have been deleted. (you not getting any more freebies likely had nothing at all to do with your post - we all stopped getting stuff).

LOL Zodiac... and now i have images of "lawn party!!!!"

@Walkyourpath... GAP is still there... just forgotten by most except for a few active members. I still lurk and still play some games with other members but I guess we're all wondering what Sony's intentions about the program are.

@Takeshi... yeah, GAP is primarily North America. I guess I'm lucky that they included Canadians! :)

@Stevil... "PR horror" is right. If they close the GAP there will likely be vocal complaints, which is why they seem to be wanting it to die a natural death. Hard to say though, they could decide to grow it into something entirely different at some point. I'm guessing no decisions have been made yet.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 17:55
Takeshi
@Elsa

Ha! Canada got lucky this once! But I've got nothing to complain about. It could be a lot worse. At least we don't have that ticker on the XMB yet!
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 19:23
CelicaCrazed
I'm back at school right now and decided it would probably be best to leave it at home so I could concentrate better haha. I may bring it back up with me one of these days since my course load is pretty light though. Plus my roommates offered to buy Modern Warfare 1 & 2 if I bring it up so we can play on our nice 52" HDTV our landlord left us for the year. I still haven't rebought Warhawk yet (ugh!) but I'll be picking up a PSN Card before I go home, which may be this weekend but more than likely Thanksgiving weekend.
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 20:34
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
So, uh, does this mean I can blame you for the PS3 not having cross game voice chat at launch?

I kid, I kid. Never knew this club thing existed before. Interesting.
Trebz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 20:52
Trebz
These Forgotten articles are pretty clever; I didn't think about anything beyond the extent of individual games. Good blog!

I think I saw a mention of this somewhere when I registered for the Playstation Network. I figured it was a watered-down Nintendo Fan Club that nobody cared about anymore.

It looks like I wasn't that far off. As times change, so do ways of getting the fans involved. Rather than survey people's gaming habits and give them demos, why not just track their stats online and make the demos downloadable pre-order bonuses? (I understand that "stat-tracking" isn't used in place of surveys yet, but I'm calling it)
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 20:59
Elsa
@Celica... that makes sense! Studying can be hard enough without distractions. Of course back in the stone age when I went to University we didn't even have cable or phone outlets in our dorm rooms (and the internet wasn't around yet... I had a manual typewriter!) ... so having a 52" HDTV sounds pretty cool and actually sounds like a deal to sweet to resist! (especially when your roommate offers to buy free games!)

@Takeshi... no ticker yet? Lucky!... though I have to say that I now seem to have fewer random PSN disconnects when I'm not online, so maybe the "ticker" maintains a busy connection to PSN? I dunno... but I guess I'm willing to put up with it rather than get kicked offline when answering a PSN message!
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2009 00:35
Topher Cantler
@Elsa: Yeah, I figured as much about the mods. The funny thing is, it WAS on my personal blog, and it was still deleted. Then I reposted it and it was deleted a second time. Somebody must have really not liked what I had to say.

That blog was kinda the same thing I do around here, now that I think about it. 'Cept now nobody can delete it.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2009 10:49
Geoff Henao
I've been a GAP member for 5 years, 48 weeks, according to my GAP profile. I guess that makes me a relatively early member. However, I didn't really do much with it. And apparently, you guys got cool swag (all I got was a membership card and a planner). However, the greatest thing I got through GAP was access to the FFXI beta and a free copy of FFXI/HDD for participating in it. I always thought of that as the perfect swan song.
TonicBH's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/01/2009 19:17
TonicBH
I still read the occasional blogs at the GAP that are pretty much "WHERE WAS MY FREE STUFF, SONY???"

I remember actually getting something from Sony: a PS2 demo of Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror back when Sony decided to PG-ify two of their franchises (SOCOM and Syphon Filter). I actually took a picture and it had me in a crazy open-mouth excitement frenzy.

...Outside of the God of War: Chains of Olympus PSP demo, that's all I really got from Sony and the GAP. Oh well, still got the hat and the certificate around here somewhere.
SpeedNut's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/05/2009 16:22
SpeedNut
It's still there, just seems to be differing opinions as to how to increase the visibility or stock of the group. I recall promises of great new things after the PSU / PSN merge that haven't materialized, which I think have caused the most recent wind-down of active members. There were talks of turning it into an "ambassador"-style program, which would fit into those offers for assisting at events, etc. I know some are working the Uncharted VIP events today and the public events tomorrow, and I got invited to apply for the PSP Go tour event from NYC to DC but didnt' sign up.

It does seem that in their private beta sampling there is a significant sampling of GAP members in recent private beta, but every member isn't going to get into every beta. In fact I've never been in two concurrent betas at the same time (thanks PS Home :/ ). I also got to get into the PS3 NYC prerelease press event a few years back and the NYC PS3 Launch Party, press clips, the whole nine yards. So I'd say there are gems or bones thrown into the room from time to time, but the current marketing management change (within the past 2 years) has dropped the ball with regards to actively engaging the community and fully utilizing the talent there.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 14:32
Elsa
@Video.. yeah, you would be one of the early members! You also show the purpose GAP did serve regarding betas... they actually had to mail out the discs back then (though nice that you also got the HDD!). I got the Ratchet and Clank PSP game beta and this was before PSP downloads were popular so we all got the beta disc in the mail... fun times!

@Tonic... yeah, the MAG beta brought back a lot of old members, though most were wondering how to get into the beta... like being a GAP member meant they automatically got in.

Speednut!!!! Hey, nice to see you here. The community itself is still active, but I was referring to Sony's attitude towards GAP. They seem to have forgotten us and the budget seems pretty thin if they can't even update the website to reflect that the "E3 contest" is no longer being held. The people that attended and represented GAP in 2007 and 2008 were both winners from the 2006 contest and there was no actual contest in those years. We also get no new contests, our opinions are no longer asked... our original purpose seems to have faded. Regarding betas... I seem to get into a lot of them, but I can't recall the last beta invite that specified GAP in the invite. Most seem to come directly through the PSU or from other options like pre-orders, activity on their forums, etc. Maybe GAP members are still prioritized for betas, I don't know... but statistically it seems that it's just chance. A small % of GAP members will get a beta, the same % as looking at the PSU forums. I've not yet seen a recent beta where GAP members made up a larger than normal percentage of beta testers... not like in earlier years.

Good point about the events thing... I guess we are still being used for this, though I would be curious as to whether GAP members are prioritized or used exclusively for events.

Eh... it's the "shutting the doors" thing that bothers me. There used to be some really fun GAP gaming nights... but people are gradually wandering off and with no new members coming in, gaming nights are hard to get going.

There's self-direction... and the community can continue on for as long as the doors stay open and people participate... but there's no direction from Sony - it seems like they've forgotten about us. :(
AlexBebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/12/2009 22:57
AlexBebop
I was a member of the GAP as well, waaay back when it first started up. I think I may have registered my PS2 on a whim, and that's what got me in. Imagine my surprise to come home from school one day with this big silver package addressed to ME (this was a big deal in 9th grade) with the certificate, binder, and a PlayStation pen that I still have to this day.

Sadly, my experience there wasn't that great. I TRIED to be an active participant, but the UI was so terrible that I couldn't. For some stupid reason, to post a topic in the forum, it had to get approved first. This made it very hard to talk about ideas you had that one of the other approved threads didn't cover. It'd be one thing if my topics kept getting REJECTED, then I could at least blame the fact that my ideas just weren't good. But on the status screen, it was labeled each of my requests as PENDING for months on end. Not one of my thread requests ever even got looked at, I was up to 6 when I finally left, making one last thread request talking about how I thought the GAP was a bunch of crap. I'm sure it didn't get approved, if they ever got around to reading it. Maybe they fixed that after I left, I hope so.

It's a shame too, now that I think about it. It seemed like a really cool idea to talk with others about what you want to see come from gaming, in a place where Sony might have actually listened. Maybe it got better later on when some of you guys were in it, I really wish I could have been there with some of you and get that sense of community there. I just know that it wasn't up to snuff around late 2003.

The ONE cool thing I got out of it though, was a God of War demo disc before the game ever came out and got to be one of the first to experience it. I knew this game was going to be big. Fucking called it!

Anyways, I guess I will say RIP GAP, I didn't really get too much out of you, but it sounds like some others did. I will always have this awesome PlayStation pen to remember you by.
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