I'm just waiting to play an RPG where any old character you make has some prior skill/experience. It just gets tiring to make a Gandalf like character only to have him learn how to throw fireballs right after he gets to the game's region.
" Derp, I forgot my many years of magical mastery because I crossed into Skyrim or Ferelden or wherever the fuck they threw me this time!"
Still, I suppose I would settle for any older characters to play as in popular games and series. Ocarina of Time would have been even more interesting if the Mastersword had sent Link 40 years into the future. Mario could get older so he can't jump as high or run as fast and Donkey Kong could use a new Cranky Kong to fill those shoes. We've thrown everything else about Life into video games, might as well throw aging in there to mix things up a bit.
" Derp, I forgot my many years of magical mastery because I crossed into Skyrim or Ferelden or wherever the fuck they threw me this time!"
Still, I suppose I would settle for any older characters to play as in popular games and series. Ocarina of Time would have been even more interesting if the Mastersword had sent Link 40 years into the future. Mario could get older so he can't jump as high or run as fast and Donkey Kong could use a new Cranky Kong to fill those shoes. We've thrown everything else about Life into video games, might as well throw aging in there to mix things up a bit.
This is relevant, mean, but relevant.
I tend to make my characters older too, and always add in some wrinkles or a touch of gray if I have the option, partially because these game tend to have you be everyone’s savoir and I can’t buy anyone under at least 37 to be that capable, and partially because if I just make a copy of myself (a young white guy with black hair) it just feels boring, hell it’s probably the default character, I also tend to mix up their race too for the same reason.
I love that there’s more older characters appearing in games recently, I didn’t really care about Max Payne 3 until I saw someone point out how rare an overweight bald middle-aged man would be as the protagonist.
I tend to make my characters older too, and always add in some wrinkles or a touch of gray if I have the option, partially because these game tend to have you be everyone’s savoir and I can’t buy anyone under at least 37 to be that capable, and partially because if I just make a copy of myself (a young white guy with black hair) it just feels boring, hell it’s probably the default character, I also tend to mix up their race too for the same reason.
I love that there’s more older characters appearing in games recently, I didn’t really care about Max Payne 3 until I saw someone point out how rare an overweight bald middle-aged man would be as the protagonist.
@Handy... OMG! That link is hilarious! Still, Ubi did manage to create a really attractive character... both in terms of his look and also his personality. If he was a real person he certainly wouldn't be lacking for female companionship!
Max Payne 3 is another one that fascinates me. He has a Bruce Willis vibe going on. He's not a hunk like Ezio, but the character is written into his face. (and old Ezio seemed to have more weight on him than young Ezio... a touch of realism that I liked)
... and good point about having to learn stuff over again... maybe alzheimers? :)
@Glitchmaster... yeah, I think that having older game characters does open up the gameplay a bit, but for me I'm more interested in the story and I think that having seen some of these characters in their youth, it's nice to see changes in their personality that can really only happen as they age.
@IV Backstab, Steezy and Andy... whew! Glad it's not just me that finds these old guys hot! :)
Max Payne 3 is another one that fascinates me. He has a Bruce Willis vibe going on. He's not a hunk like Ezio, but the character is written into his face. (and old Ezio seemed to have more weight on him than young Ezio... a touch of realism that I liked)
... and good point about having to learn stuff over again... maybe alzheimers? :)
@Glitchmaster... yeah, I think that having older game characters does open up the gameplay a bit, but for me I'm more interested in the story and I think that having seen some of these characters in their youth, it's nice to see changes in their personality that can really only happen as they age.
@IV Backstab, Steezy and Andy... whew! Glad it's not just me that finds these old guys hot! :)
No, because old people are not portrayed as strong, agile, or quick witted. The character would need to be heavily grounded and fully realized for it to mean anything. It's a huge task and silly.
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Would love to see a game involve a woman who is not the hyper-fit twenty-something that most heroines tend to be. Something like a Helen Mirren type character. Given the right story and view point, it could really add a new layer of depth to the kill 'em all type character. Older character in games tend to be more methodical and patient and less quick to brash anger. Of course when they do get angry its fucking terrifying which makes it all the more rewarding. Another excellent blog, Elsa.
Once you finish Revelations, you have to see Embers if you haven't already. They actually carry his story even further and his characterization really reflects his age (even if he still is a killing machine).
I think there should be older female protagonists, honestly. I think for a long time, the main demographic into video games was young males.. As the original generation of gamers aged, there was some desire to see older protagonists (like Hideo Kojima has pointed out about why he aged Snake so much for MGS4, so he specifically could relate to his own protagonist). I think most women in video games have been designed as an object of lust for men, but there is a growing understanding that women play "male games" too. I take the Tomb Raider reboot as a response to a more mature audience, not just of including women, but men that want more mature storytelling and therefore, characters. Not hyper-sexualized caricatures.
Games like "The Last of Us" or even "Heavy Rain" are interesting to me because it places focuses on being a father or fatherly responsibilities/relationships, something you don't see much in games. I think it's dangerous though, because a game with a older female protagonist could be written off by a lot of gamers. But who knows, Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 was older, not sexualized, but her presence seemed normal and impressive at the same time. She may not be Ezio's old age in Revelations, but I think it opens wonderful opportunities for narrative.
I think there should be older female protagonists, honestly. I think for a long time, the main demographic into video games was young males.. As the original generation of gamers aged, there was some desire to see older protagonists (like Hideo Kojima has pointed out about why he aged Snake so much for MGS4, so he specifically could relate to his own protagonist). I think most women in video games have been designed as an object of lust for men, but there is a growing understanding that women play "male games" too. I take the Tomb Raider reboot as a response to a more mature audience, not just of including women, but men that want more mature storytelling and therefore, characters. Not hyper-sexualized caricatures.
Games like "The Last of Us" or even "Heavy Rain" are interesting to me because it places focuses on being a father or fatherly responsibilities/relationships, something you don't see much in games. I think it's dangerous though, because a game with a older female protagonist could be written off by a lot of gamers. But who knows, Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 was older, not sexualized, but her presence seemed normal and impressive at the same time. She may not be Ezio's old age in Revelations, but I think it opens wonderful opportunities for narrative.
As a side note, I didn’t mean to imply that I think anyone over 37 is old, just that it’s around the minimum age to be mature/accomplished enough to solve the problems of every stranger you meet.
@bibbly... Ezio was strong, agile and quick... and actually very realistic for a 50 year old man. My husband is 55 and regularly plays both ice hockey and floor hockey. Older game characters can still be physically fit, but they seem to have more life experience to draw upon ... making the romance more touching, and even Ezio's choice at the end of the game to let the Apple sit was a decision more based on his age than anything else. In the end he made a greedy choice to choose love and a life for himself. He'd reached an age where love was more important than power and it was believable.
@Occams... yeah, I too hope to eventually see something like a Helen Mirren type in a game! She is an awesome lady! I too like that age gives an experience to the character... something that we are just starting to see in gaming. Hopefully someone will eventually take a chance and give us a mature female protagonist.
@dare... yes, I did see Embers (awesome!). It really should have been included with the original game because it gave the closure to Ezio's story. I played the demo for "The Last of Us" and yeah, the family aspect is what provides the incentive to keep moving forward. Sarah Connor is another wonderful example of an older strong female character!
@Handy... I didn't take your comment to imply that 37 is old... or I'd have been pretty insulted! LOL! I agree totally that an older character is more inclined to have the maturity to be the "leader" of a group - to be the one to resolve issues and be taken seriously. It's just more realistic.
@Occams... yeah, I too hope to eventually see something like a Helen Mirren type in a game! She is an awesome lady! I too like that age gives an experience to the character... something that we are just starting to see in gaming. Hopefully someone will eventually take a chance and give us a mature female protagonist.
@dare... yes, I did see Embers (awesome!). It really should have been included with the original game because it gave the closure to Ezio's story. I played the demo for "The Last of Us" and yeah, the family aspect is what provides the incentive to keep moving forward. Sarah Connor is another wonderful example of an older strong female character!
@Handy... I didn't take your comment to imply that 37 is old... or I'd have been pretty insulted! LOL! I agree totally that an older character is more inclined to have the maturity to be the "leader" of a group - to be the one to resolve issues and be taken seriously. It's just more realistic.
I'd like to see older protagonists for sure, I'm a bit tired of the concept of super powerful teenagers who have these immense powers and skills despite not even entering their 2nd decade. Give me grizzled old timers who have had experiences that have shaped them. I think maybe The Last Of Us might give us that dichotomy by having both an old and young protagonist.
I absolutely agree with you on this Elsa. The lack of older women in games irks me, not just because of all the missed opportunities for great characters, but also what it says about the industry. When the only female characters you can find in a game are nubile sex objects, it reinforces the idea that videogames are still for 15 year old cellar dwelling boys. It's demeaning to everyone involved.
I think a game starring an older Lara Croft could be very interesting! I'd play that for sure!
I would definitely like to see more older characters in games, just so we could have more diversity. I just recently played No More Heroes, and by far my favorite character in that game was Speed Buster, a 76-year-old female assassin who carries around a gigantic cannon hidden within a shopping cart. She was just so unexpected, and I loved everything about her character. It would be cool to play a game starring Speed Buster, maybe a game which showed how she climbed her way up the assassin ladder.
I would definitely like to see more older characters in games, just so we could have more diversity. I just recently played No More Heroes, and by far my favorite character in that game was Speed Buster, a 76-year-old female assassin who carries around a gigantic cannon hidden within a shopping cart. She was just so unexpected, and I loved everything about her character. It would be cool to play a game starring Speed Buster, maybe a game which showed how she climbed her way up the assassin ladder.
Oops, posted too early. I meant to include a picture to show you what she looks like, in case you never played the game.


One of my favorite narratives in a game is from Nier, which features an older protagonist...outside of Japan, I believe. There are two version of the game with two different character models, and they tweaked the plot a big to appeal to a different audience. Honestly, having that maturity was key to how that story played out for me, and many others.
@Andy... ah... if 37 is ANCIENT OLD.. then whew! That must mean I'm immortal... and menopausal... and cranky! Run Andy... run away!
@bbain... that character sounds AWESOME!! (and now I"m wondering if I could pull off her look as a cosplay outfit LOL!)
@Wrenchfarm... yeah, the sad thing about Lara Croft is that the basis is there for a really interesting female protagonist - but they've never allowed her to grow or change and they continue to model her as a sexual object.
@Ali D... yeah, older protagonists just seem more interesting because of their histories... though I guess if they were overdone then we might get bored of them too! Still, I do like the idea and even if a game starts with a mature, older protagonist, they can always pull a reversal and give us a game based in their youth letting us see how they became who they are.
@bbain... that character sounds AWESOME!! (and now I"m wondering if I could pull off her look as a cosplay outfit LOL!)
@Wrenchfarm... yeah, the sad thing about Lara Croft is that the basis is there for a really interesting female protagonist - but they've never allowed her to grow or change and they continue to model her as a sexual object.
@Ali D... yeah, older protagonists just seem more interesting because of their histories... though I guess if they were overdone then we might get bored of them too! Still, I do like the idea and even if a game starts with a mature, older protagonist, they can always pull a reversal and give us a game based in their youth letting us see how they became who they are.
Play the Yakuza series. Kazuma is 40 in Yakuza 3 and his wise way of the world would probably echo well with you.
Still, I've always loved Ezio as a character. The plot of the games may not be that great, but the evolution of him from young and charismatic to old and pragmatic is just awesome.
Still, I've always loved Ezio as a character. The plot of the games may not be that great, but the evolution of him from young and charismatic to old and pragmatic is just awesome.
I would like an older Lara, as long as she brought her hot LEGAL teenage daughter along on her adventures.
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Summary: excellent as usual, Elsa. I love the idea of older women as protagonists.
Also, Ezio and Sofia's relationship was one of my favorite parts of Revelations.
Summary: excellent as usual, Elsa. I love the idea of older women as protagonists.
Also, Ezio and Sofia's relationship was one of my favorite parts of Revelations.
I think you are right in that it's relative to our ages. I've grown to be fond of character's around AC Brotherhood Ezio's age range rather than the teens or older guys. Granted I sill love the liveliness that comes with the teens and the sagacity of the older guys, but I find it easier to relate to someone around my age range. Personally, I can't wait to start Dragon's Dogma; I've planned the skeleton for a group out and one of the characters will be a wise warrior or wizard to teach the young guns of the group.
Curious, have you watched Assassin's Creed: Embers? Ezio at the end of his life, and quite a touching closing of his chapter.
@Adonai... yes I did see Embers, it was absolutely wonderful and gave closure to Ezio story. (though it was a bit of a loss leader though on the Chinese gal who hopefully may still show up as a protagonist in a future AC game!)
@Hoho... I think part of it is age relevance... and another part of it is the novelty of just playing a character that's not overly-idealized and perfect because "perfect" tends to be boring. :)
@Smurfee... yeah, the Ezio and Sofia relationship was only told in very few sequences, but it had a huge impact and was very touching.
@Red.. LOL! Well, if they finally did progress Lara's story, then maybe her legal teenage daughter could get her own series! :)
@KingSigy.... I'm not really looked at the Yakuza series because the premise of playing as a gangster type just turns me off. I even tried the GTA series and couldn't get into it either (though that was more gameplay related than plot related).
In terms of Ezio's story... yeah, it was actually fairly simplistic in terms of he was usually looking for several objects. The overall story of Ezio was primarily that he rebuilt the Assassins.. but I do like the end of the story, where he walked away from power and instead chose love and time for himself.
@Hoho... I think part of it is age relevance... and another part of it is the novelty of just playing a character that's not overly-idealized and perfect because "perfect" tends to be boring. :)
@Smurfee... yeah, the Ezio and Sofia relationship was only told in very few sequences, but it had a huge impact and was very touching.
@Red.. LOL! Well, if they finally did progress Lara's story, then maybe her legal teenage daughter could get her own series! :)
@KingSigy.... I'm not really looked at the Yakuza series because the premise of playing as a gangster type just turns me off. I even tried the GTA series and couldn't get into it either (though that was more gameplay related than plot related).
In terms of Ezio's story... yeah, it was actually fairly simplistic in terms of he was usually looking for several objects. The overall story of Ezio was primarily that he rebuilt the Assassins.. but I do like the end of the story, where he walked away from power and instead chose love and time for himself.
>...will we ever see a menopausal kickass female protagonist in our games?
We already have, but most people didn't take Bayonetta all that seriously. I thought it was pretty great though, especially the part where she met her own inner child.
We already have, but most people didn't take Bayonetta all that seriously. I thought it was pretty great though, especially the part where she met her own inner child.
@Sir Legendhead... I highly doubt that Bayonetta could be deemed "menopausal"... at most she might be in her late 20's or 30's - but definitely not her late 40's or 50's when menopause usually starts! Still, she is an example of a character that's not in her teens, and I actually agree that she is a character that I would like to see a little older - she definitely seems like she would kick ass at any age!
@Celica... I actually liked Brotherhood the best of the AC games for the gameplay, though I liked the story in Revelations a little more. I skipped a lot of the "extras" in Revelations because I had no interest in the Desmond portal-like sections, nor in the RTS segments which were easily skipped. I loved the availability of a horse in Brotherhood and missed that aspect in Revelations. (and sorry if there were some spoilers in my blog or comments, but the game has been out for awhile and I figured most people knew about much of this anyway, particularly as the next game has a brand new protagonist in a new setting... though I can't say I'm thrilled about the American Revolution.)
@Celica... I actually liked Brotherhood the best of the AC games for the gameplay, though I liked the story in Revelations a little more. I skipped a lot of the "extras" in Revelations because I had no interest in the Desmond portal-like sections, nor in the RTS segments which were easily skipped. I loved the availability of a horse in Brotherhood and missed that aspect in Revelations. (and sorry if there were some spoilers in my blog or comments, but the game has been out for awhile and I figured most people knew about much of this anyway, particularly as the next game has a brand new protagonist in a new setting... though I can't say I'm thrilled about the American Revolution.)
@Elsa
Oh don't worry about spoilers. The game's have been out for awhile and I'm never too bothered by spoilers. Also Brotherhood was the only game in the series I've played so I had no idea what was going on anyways. I think the only reason why I even stopped playing was after getting angry at the multiplayer which was kind of a letdown for me. Too perk heavy for my liking.
Oh don't worry about spoilers. The game's have been out for awhile and I'm never too bothered by spoilers. Also Brotherhood was the only game in the series I've played so I had no idea what was going on anyways. I think the only reason why I even stopped playing was after getting angry at the multiplayer which was kind of a letdown for me. Too perk heavy for my liking.
@Celica... yeah, I tried the multiplayer once... and didn't like it at all. I play the series strictly for it's single player! Also, for some reason, Revelations seemed shorter to me than Brotherhood (though I could be mistaken). I got a copy for $30.00 so the price is coming down... and waiting it out for a lower price is no big deal. AC2, Brotherhood and Revelations do make a good trilogy though!
@Elsa: Bayonetta is actually like 500 years old, but that's because she's a witch. I'd agree that she's not really a good example of a menopausal character though, because of those circumstances.
She struck me as menopausal, as strange as that may sound. It seemed like she was trying to exude an air of sexuality without having any genuine sexuality behind it. If that makes sense. Probably just my take on it though.
@SirLegendhead... interesting thought! If she is a 500 year old witch, there may in fact be the inability to get pregnant, which... as you describe it, could lead to a "sexuality without having any genuine sexuality" and I can see that aspect to her a bit. It's a kind of sexual assurance closer to what men have because she can have sex simply for the pleasure of it without the chance of procreation. It's a sexual strength which she does seem to possess somewhat.
I personally prefer the youngest version of Ezio but that is probably because he is the one closest to my current age...it would just be creepy for me to be attracted to a 40 or 50 year old Ezio. But old Ezio is definitely still good looking in a George Clooney sort of way
Elsa, thanks for an enjoyable and interesting blog. Sadly, the apparent discrepancy between aging in men characters and women (nonexistent) seems to support the argument that women serve as a mainly sex appeal in games. I am probably one of the few who would find the idea of an older Lara Croft appealing.

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