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meh... I think I'll just keep changing my sidebar until I find something I'm happy with.

slightly relevant stuff... I'm old (49), I'm female, I'm happily married.

more relevant stuff... I like online FPS games, I like to play online with other Dtoid members. I'm primarily a PS3 gamer but you can occasionally find me on Xbox (though I don't currently have gold, but expect to get it again around Christmas).


PSN: Elsa
XBL: Elssa62
Playstation Gamer Advisory Panel Member (GAP)

Currently Playing:
PS3:
Two Worlds 2
Uncharted 2 and 3
MAG (mostly Raven, though I have a SVER alt)
... and occasionally Warhawk, UT3, Resistance 2 co-op or Killzone 2!

Xbox:
Halo Reach.
Left 4 Dead 2
Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga


Recent Favorites:
WARHAWK!!
UT3
Portal 1&2
Sacred 2
Bioshock series
Oblivion
Fallout series
Dragon Age: Origins
Resistance series
Killzone 2
Left 4 Dead 2

Can't wait for:
STARHAWK!!!
Skyrim!





Some blogs I wrote that I like:
Girls with Guns
Guess the Gender
A Girl's Guide to FPS Gaming
Me and My Chainmail Bikini...
Adopt a Troll!
Fanboy Wars - the game!

Promoted C-Blogs:
Undies and a Knife
He dumped me! That Bastard!
Love/Hate: Being a Girl Gamer
The Future: The Year is 2029
My Expertise: Leader of Men
The Great Escape: From Physical Pain
More than Just Noise: Boom Headshot!
2010 Sucked: Game Addiction Issues
Technical Difficulties: He teabagged me!

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Me and my Chainmail Bikini...
Elsa | 10:59 AM on 11.30.2009 55 comments




I've been playing Dragon Age: Origins and loving it, but I have a deep, dark secret... I kind of miss my chainmail bikini! Yeah... chainmail bikinis... those scanty, sexy outfits we female characters get to wear in most western RPG's that are at all fantasy based.

I have to admit that I have a love/hate relationship with my chainmail bikini. There's something very liberating about prancing through the countryside slaying various beasts and critters while attired as a Dominatrix, but on a larger level it bothers me a bit. Mostly it's an immersion issue. Being an "actual, real-live female" I KNOW that there is no way you can run through the forests wearing 3" heels. I've worn high heels most of my adult life... I can walk fast in high heels, I can even run to catch a bus in high heels on a sidewalk - but there is no possible way in hell that I can run through the forests or across a bumpy meadow, battling bad guys or nasty critters while wearing 3" spikey heels without breaking an ankle. It's simply not possible! Reality also intercedes with the whole "boob" thing. Any woman with a C cup or more knows that it's painful to run braless. You have to strap those puppies down... pushing them up just creates the potential for two black eyes. I always shudder when I see Lara and her massive mammaries "shimmy" along a wall and all I can think of is OUCH! It's rather the equivalent of a guy seeing another guy getting kicked in the balls. Weather also plays an immersion role. I can't help but be taken completely out of a game when I see my scantily clad siren skipping through a white winter wonderland in practically no clothing. Brrrrrr!!




Chainmail bikinis and the accompanying virtual gals that tend to wear them also promote a body image almost impossible for most real-life women to attain. Double D cups rarely accompany a 24" waistline unless silicon or suction is involved somewhere. The proportions of these nubile young lasses continue to promote our North American obsession with plastic surgery, unhealthy diets and eating disorders. While sex sells, and games are still full of scantily clad, hormonally enhanced female and male body shapes (particularly in fighting games), I do think that things are gradually, slowly changing and devs can help play a role by promoting something just as sexy but a little more natural and realistic in terms of proportions. Please devs, no more double D cup boobs unless they are accompanied by the reality of a padded waistline that holds them up, or they sag down to sway and play peek-a-boo bellybutton. Attire can still be sexy, but please make it appropriate to the game's environment and character's actions. I think it's quite possible to design sexy attire that is still practical.



That being said, I was pleased that my Dragon Age warrior woman got a sensible suit of armour and a realistic figure... but after awhile I find I am growing bored with my outfit. While it helps with immersion and when out slaying bad guys I like what I'm wearing... there are times when I want to slip into Morrigan's outfit and be a little more feminine and sexy (unfortunately I can't steal her outfit... I tried!). I guess that while it's nice to feel that sense of power and immersion by being dressed for the occasion appropriately, in a body that could be a real life female... there are still times when wearing a chainmail bikini is kind of fun.



Eh... I guess there's just no pleasing a woman! When I get stuck with chainmail I want practicality... when I get practical boring attire, I want a bit of sexy. I guess the solution is what some games seem to currently be doing... offering us a wardrobe of options!
....Now if only devs could design decent shoes!



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Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 11:23
Jon B
As we all know, the smaller the outfit, the higher its armour value.

And I am completely in support of that, provided it doesn't detract from the game into a blatant fapothon for most.

Also, damn you for making me need to boot up DA:O! This essay isn't going to finish itself!
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 11:41
Tubatic
Some of the best looking female armor in WoW was the chainmail-ish stuff I got for my huntress at level 45 - 58ish. Unfortunately, later designs have shyed far away from this type of sexy, going more for the skintight/exposed midriff style.

Couple that with progressivly disappointing plunges for the vests available, and you've got me layering a tuxedo shirt to squeeze some decent style out of my gear!

In short: chainmail bikini = yes, please.
BulletMagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:12
BulletMagnet
As you yourself acknowledge, this is sort of the gaming equivalent of constantly hearing that gals "just want a nice guy", and then they go and date some foul-mouthed motorcycle-riding jerk with a criminal record and several venereal diseases, saying "Oh, I'll work on him."

Well, maybe not that bad.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:23
Naim Master
Well, you can always wear some Dalish armor...
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:28
MrSadistic
I kept Morrigan in that little outfit of hers. Oh sure, I questioned how she can be protected by that soft, moist cloth on her chest. Heck, I've wondered once or twice how her chest balloons don't just pop out while she's all sweaty from casting spells. Then, I realized with a body like that, covering her in robes or outfits that look like something a Grandma would wear, would be a crime against nature, maybe even a crime against all that is holy.

I do have to admit though, she looks pretty damn epic when she wears heavy armor as an Arcane Warrior. Talk about an awkward bonar.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:33
Jon B
@MrSadistic
I'm sure there are mods out there that can relieve you of your dillema.

Oh yes.
Anonymouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:55
Anonymouse
It is basically sex appeal. I mean look at this.



Now I'm no expert on bras, but that looks unbelievably painful. But at the same time, sexy.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 12:57
Occams electric toothbrush
Chain mail anything seems like a pinch-fest, and not in a good way.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 13:14
Xzyliac
Eh... I guess there's just no pleasing a woman!

Amen. Men know it, women know it, children know it, dogs know it.
Anonymouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 13:25
Anonymouse
Exactly, Xzyliac. And Mk, check out your inbox.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 13:36
Elsa
@Jon... if only that were true. Unfortunately in many games the skimpier outfits offer lower armour value. I have to admit that when playing Sacred 2 I usually wore the uglier heavier armour for battles... but when just doing some touring around I would often change into one of my "pretty" outfits! :)

@Tubatic... yeah, I do like the chainmail/animal hide type stuff... as long as they keep the body proportions on the reality side! (and with maybe a touch of fur if it's a snow environment!)

@BulletMagnet... yeah, we often want what we can't have! (and any gal that thinks she can unilaterally "change" a man is doomed to disappointment). I do think that for myself, I like the sexy outfits, but want slightly more reasonable proportions on the character - and options! Different outfits for different occasions - just like real life.

@Anonymouse and Occams... Yup, definitely painful! (and cold!!)... but then again, 3 inch spikey heels are exactly the most comfortable thing to wear either... I guess we women must suffer to look good. :(

@MkShiranui... yeah, the spellcasters get the best outfits! Unfortunately I tend to enjoy being a tank or skirmish character. You're quite right that the outfits haven't changed a lot in fantasy games over the years... they all kind of lean towards Xena, catsuits, etc.

Actually... fashion in real life is a massively huge industry. I wonder if eventually we could see some smart fashion designer start designing exclusively for the virtual world (don't some people already do this in Second Life and some virtual worlds?) It would be interesting to see a well known designer arise... as well known as Gucci or Halston in the real world.

@Xzyliac... at least I admit it! :)
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 13:41
CrocBox
I always found it a bit silly that you could be treking through some mountain battling 50 ft beasts and have your female companions decked out in a loin cloth and stilettos.

Not that I am complaining :P
Zeta Crossfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 13:53
Zeta Crossfire
I had a friend actually say this the other day, she said she could not find anything she liked in dragon age and she wanted to customize her own outfits to look better. I also had another friend saying Bioware was almost sexist for giving Morrigan the outfit that she did. Personally i agree with friend 1 over 2 but i guess it depends on the person.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:04
wanderingpixel
I thought the space suits in Mass Effect were both sexy and practical.
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:06
KrazyKraut
damn...was tricked by the header..^^
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:16
Elsa
Opps... forgot Mr. Sadistic! (is that possible?)... I don't really like Morrigan, so after unsuccessfully trying to steal her outfit, I don't have her in my party much. Eh... maybe I can punish her for being so negative by putting her in an ugly outfit! LOL!

@Naim, haven't come across the Dalish armour yet... so maybe there is still hope that I'll find an outfit I like!

@Crocbox... LOL! Yeah, I always thought it was very silly too... and as a woman I can't help feeling that those outfits objectify women and send the wrong message... so I'm a bit surprised that I actually miss it!! I suspect that I'm just rationalizing when I say that I want more realistic body shapes... but those sleazy outfits.

@Buji... go away.

@Zeta... again, I think there is a real duality about how women feel about chainmail bikini type outfits in games.

@Pixel... damn ME for being a 360 exclusive!!

@Krazy... LOL! I never even thought of the inference! Yeah, I guess some women do seek web attention by actually posting pics of themselves in those outfits... but I'll settle for the virtual world! (besides, I'm 47... for many on this site it would be like seeing their Mom in sexy negligee... there's just something inherently "wrong" with that! LOL!)
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:30
RonBurgandy2010
I have a chain mail speedo.......
Gyrael's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:44
Gyrael
Just another reason why Dragon Age is one of the greatest games ever.
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:48
CrocBox
I must admit I was also "tricked" by the header :P this is better though
RAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:52
RAB
Mileena fights topless. FUCKING TOPLESS. I mean, it seems so much more practical that way. Having a boobie pop out during a fight could potentially lead to getting your head chopped off as you slip it back into your top. They might as well be out the whole time.
It's only logical.

grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:52
grafkhun
This sounds like a problem of balancing character design and functionality/practicality; a debate that will last for eternity I say!
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 14:58
timtheterrible
Wardrobe malfunctions welcome.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 15:00
Elsa
LMAO... OMG RonBurgandy...that comment truly made me laugh out loud!!!

@Gyrael... yeah, the game really is GREAT!

LOL Crocbox! Yeah, this is better!

@RAB... fighting topless for a gal is like a guy fighting bottomless... do guys really want their manhood bouncing around and possibly exposed to sharp knives??

@grafkhun... exactly!! It's a tough thing to do... and probably more important to women than it is to men (judging by the amounts the average male/female spends on clothes in real life).

@tim... and ironically they so rarely happen! (again, that immersion issue). :)
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 15:26
Monodi
Hey now, Elsa. I doubt I will ever be a fashion designer.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 16:14
MrSadistic
Adorable, RonBurgandy2010 redefines it.
Charlietime's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 16:43
Charlietime
dragon age at least counters itself with a bisexual leather fetish elf who will more than happily backstab wearing nothing but boots.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 18:14
ikiryou
What does a woman capable of dual-wielding longswords and wiping out entire mobs of heavily armoured foes wear? Anything she wants.

I've tried rationalising the lack of female armour (and *ahem* clothing) in video gaming as follows: Female characters rarely have tank builds, and as a result, they rely primarily on speed to defeat stronger, slower foes; speed requires unencumbered movement. It's always better to not get hit than to merely soak up damage, especially when a lot of video game bad guys can kill in only a few hits (cheap!). Well, that's my rationale for half-nekkid female warriors.

I only know of two games featuring fairly realistic female character models - Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls - and with those two games, more armour and clothing is definitely better.
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 18:15
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
This is why I like a good Sci-fi setting more. At the very least, you can say they are being protected by force fields/Electromagnetic Shields no matter how little clothes they wear *^.^*
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 18:30
CelicaCrazed
I can always imagine the women in these games taunting the men. "What? Afraid of a little pain are we? Ahaha!" "My skin is thick from living in this male/beast/demon-dominated world." "Ha! Over-compensating much?"

Also, I can only imagine a woman's hatred of metal's tendency for expansion in contraction when it involves traveling the world in a chain-link bra.

Also, also, nipple-chafe. Have fun with that ahaha!!
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 19:20
Pangloss
I have always justified high-armor-value and low-coverage garb for fantasy chicks with the reasoning that more cleavage means not just freer movement, but a more distracted opponent. This immediately characterized the women wearing it as cynically exploiting their own sexuality for a combat advantage, which made for a nice character-development bonus.

@Everyone talking about pinchy chainmail: Males are similarly vulnerable to this (and plate codpieces? damn cold). That's why you never wear just chainmail. You want some wool or leather or something to go under that shit. And with the proper cut, the garment on display a la Anonymouse doesn't lose much in the sexy factor, either.
Krahsh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 19:31
Krahsh
A good read and I appreciate the honesty in the closing comments! ;)
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 19:43
Technophile
I came to this blog expecting to see Elsa in a chainmail bikini. I still stayed and read the article though, so at least I'm not a complete pig.

:D
Khazar222's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 19:48
Khazar222
I always appreciate when women in games are wearing practical clothing. Although I suppose the fact that I feel a sense of relief when I see a female character wearing something logical doesn't speak well for the state of games.

Ivy is one of the worst offenders. I'm also calling out Bayonetta, who is built on a number of sexual cliches.

One of the best examples of practical womens-wear in a game is Jade from Beyond Good & Evil. Jeans and a jacket for adventuring, what an avant-garde idea! (Faith from Mirror's Edge also features a believable outfit.

@ ikiryou: Female characters are often speedy and agile because women are stereotyped as lithe and graceful. While I won't argue the physical differences between men and women, particularly in terms of athletics, this sort of thinking is what leads to the chainmail bikini. But perhaps the problem here is the double standard: agile male characters usually have believable outfits. How come Ninja Gaiden's Ryu wears an unaccepted ninja getup, while Soul Calibur's Taki has breasts that are practically exploding from under her shirt?

I'm getting off point here. Sex sells. Although I seriously doubt reducing the cup size on many female characters to a believable size would impact sales. But hey, I don't have a marketing degree, so what do I know.
Kwazy Nate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 20:50
Kwazy Nate
Really liked the article Elsa.

It's nice seeing both sides of a female's perspective; you don't HATE the bikini armor yet you don't LOVE it either.

I do hate you though for bringing up DA:O. I started playing a friend's copy, but he took it back and I don't get the game 'till Christmas :(

My city elf, Revan, calls to me . . .
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2009 23:37
braulio09
facepalm.jpg

I laughed at the last sentence, hahaha. =)
Alasdair Duncan's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 01:34
Alasdair Duncan
I remember booting up the lastest Soul Caliber game and my wife just laughing her head off when she say Ivy...
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 02:04
Kyle MacGregor
"Please devs, no more double D cup boobs unless they are accompanied by the reality of a padded waistline that holds them up"

May Twilight Princess grant your desires.

SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 08:48
SilverDragon1979
I can't believe I just read a blog in which a woman complained at the end that her RPG character is wearing too much clothing. Elsa you are fucking awesome!!!
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 10:47
ScottyG
Eh, in a perfect world both genders would have the same armour choices (sexy or no), and quite frankly would be able to wear armour of either gender. It'd be the most realistic (for better or for worse, in style, functionality and reaction from others), and we'd get to see some rather interesting combinations. :)
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 10:58
Elsa
@Monodi... but you have the perfect name to be a designer!! I sooo want a pair of Monodi shoes to go with my Gucci handbag!

@Charlie... yeah, Zev is a fun character!

LOL ikiryou!! Yeah, the whole speed, light clothing thing is what they use as a rationale... but I do prefer a tank build if it's available.

@Palidi... good point! (yeah, sci fi rules!)

@Celica... "nipple-chafe" you said my exact thoughts when I saw the pic of the chainmail bra! LOL!

@Pangloss... yeah, I guess opponent distraction is a minor advantage... and those outfits would have to be lined!

@Krahsh... I think a lot of women are torn on this issue. We know we "shouldn't" like chainmail bikinis - but we do anyway.

LOL Technophile... so you're just a little pig? :)

@Khazar - you make a good point about Ryu's outfit... which is where I think the sexy and practical thing comes in... a female ninja suit doesn't have to be done a la Heavenly Sword, but can be tight and formfitting... even showing some cleavage - without looking like it would fall off if she sneezed. (actually, the design of Bayonetta's suit is nice.. it's just the high heels and proportions that could use some tweaking).

@Kwazy... get back to playing DA:O! :)

@Ali... yeah, I agree with your wife. Ivy is so "overdone" that it's almost laughable!

@Cadtalfryn... that's PERFECT! LOL! Yeah, that's what Double D's usually look like in real life!

Hey SilverDragon! Yeah, even her undies are ugly. It would have been nice if they had at least given them some sexy undies so I could at least run around the camp site feeling "pretty"!
Mobius Einherjar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 11:29
Mobius Einherjar
The solution? MOAR LEATHER. Looks sexy, offer reasonable protection (Not as much as chainmail, sure, but I doubt that wearing only a chainmail bikini would offer more protection than a leather shirt), and both male and female can wear it.

But I do think it's possible to balance practicality and sexiness. I mean, if we stay in the idea that "Women are naturally physically weaker/more agile than men so we want to take advantage of it", when you look at most bare-handed non-Asian martial art, men and women tend to wear the least amount of clothes possible to have freer movement. Women usually wear some sort of tank top on top of a sport bra (or so I assume, I never checked personally), and usually some type of tight short (Or pants, but not as sexy, and that's part of the subject here). So from here, I think it's not THAT hard to make something that looks (or rather IS) sexy AND pratical.

@Khazar: Actually, Taki is not that bad... In fact, her whole look would be believable if she was wearing a sarashi below her suit.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 12:32
Joanna Mueller
Ha! I love this. I'm in the same boat as you, I get mad when my girl avatar is prancing around in next to nothing while the male NPC's are all suited up for Armageddon, but given the option I still pick form fitting armor because I don't want to feel like a sexless pup-tent. In Oblivion despite pesky inventory restrictions I always carried a separate outfit for battle and a "civilian" outfit for wandering towns and the countryside. No way was I going to be caught in the wrong shoes for any occasion.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2009 18:14
mix
I never really thought about this before, good points. The main reason though is that having a half naked chick in armor will sell better than having a chick in full armor with nothing popping out anywhere......

X-blades, Heavenly Sword...If DoA: Beach Volleyball was based in the yee old times and had the girls in full costumes the game would have been dead before it was even released.
John Alexander Harman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/05/2009 20:47
John Alexander Harman
I've never quite understood the stereotype of female gamers you respond to in your profile. That might be because the first major campaign I DM'd was the Dragonlance Chronicles, back in 1998-99, and the two girls (I use that term, as opposed to "women," advisedly, as their ages at the time were eighteen and sixteen) who ran Goldmoon and Laurana could easily have played those characters in a live-action movie. I've since observed that the proportion of female gamers and science fiction fans who are obese seems somewhat higher than the proportion of America women in general -- but that's even more true for male gamers vs. the general male population, in my experience, and by no means universal for either sex.
rika's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 22:41
rika
Can't they just back up the chain mail bikini with storyline? As in specify that it does in fact protect your vital organs with a magic field?

Personally I like options. You should ideally have some choices so that you can make your character look how you want them to be percieved.. maybe she likes looking sexy, maybe she tries to look as un-femine as possible. And if i want to drag queen up my male toons, I should be able to!
Ryshta's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/29/2010 19:01
Ryshta
I share your feelings...When I happen to be playing a nice-innocent looking girl, I search for a sexy-femme fatale chick...and the same happens the other way around...
Could it be that we will always desire that which we do not have?

Or maybe, It's just fun to be running around with an almost naked armor and still fight like if we were wearing a complete equipment...Not only guys deserve the fun of watching a women run in a sexy way with high heels!!
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melmcguire's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2011 22:24
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I have always justified high-armor-value and low-coverage garb for fantasy chicks with the reasoning that more cleavage means not just freer movement, but a more distracted Watch Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon Online opponent. This immediately characterized the women wearing it as cynically exploiting their own sexuality for a combat advantage, which made for a nice character-development bonus.
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