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meh... I think I'll just keep changing my sidebar until I find something I'm happy with.

slightly relevant stuff... I'm old (49), I'm female, I'm happily married.

more relevant stuff... I like online FPS games, I like to play online with other Dtoid members. I'm primarily a PS3 gamer but you can occasionally find me on Xbox (though I don't currently have gold, but expect to get it again around Christmas).


PSN: Elsa
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Two Worlds 2
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MAG (mostly Raven, though I have a SVER alt)
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Left 4 Dead 2
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Bioshock series
Oblivion
Fallout series
Dragon Age: Origins
Resistance series
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Left 4 Dead 2

Can't wait for:
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Girls with Guns
Guess the Gender
A Girl's Guide to FPS Gaming
Me and My Chainmail Bikini...
Adopt a Troll!
Fanboy Wars - the game!

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Undies and a Knife
He dumped me! That Bastard!
Love/Hate: Being a Girl Gamer
The Future: The Year is 2029
My Expertise: Leader of Men
The Great Escape: From Physical Pain
More than Just Noise: Boom Headshot!
2010 Sucked: Game Addiction Issues
Technical Difficulties: He teabagged me!

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Dragon Age: Origins... Should I be a slut?
Elsa | 11:13 AM on 11.10.2009 54 comments




In Dragon Age: Origins there is a trophy for a romance with Alistair (who is kinda hot and is funny and charming), but there are also trophies for completing a romance with Zevran and Leliana... now can I do all 3 romances in the same game play through? Can I be a slut? (and apparently a bi-sexual one, because Leliana is open to either gender). Even if I can't do it all in one runthrough, I will have to be pretty slutty and eventually sleep with them all, not to mention I'll have to play as a guy and sleep with Morrigan (who I detest) if I want the trophies.

This is what is wrong with trophies. They make me do the wrong thing, something I don't want to do, have no inclination towards... and I'll have to go against my heart and be a slut - doing the wrong thing. In fact, even considering being a slut feels kind of wrong. Now I do have to give kudos to a game that has me twisted up in sexual morality... because while I really like Alistair, I can't help but wonder if maybe I should have a quick fling with the sweet Leliana and that elf-man Zev first, then conclude with the romance with my "one true love". Alistair has the potential to be a man of title and power, and let's be real - I'm a girl... I want a nice house, security and a cute husband. Then again, will he even offer marriage? Also, if I sleep with Zev and Leliana, will he even want me? Maybe like real life, I'll blow a chance at a good relationship by giving in to those slutty temptations.



So... Leliana, the sweet red-headed temptress... or Alistair, my studly knight... or Zev... the naughty Elf? The game does succeed in presenting real choices with differing personalities and with different possible outcomes.

EDIT: Just to clarify my point... I detest trophies that offer spoilers for plot lines (and who you can have romances with) but the game does offer multiple options and the flirting and various characters manage to make it seem realistic. Each person playing the game would likely have their own choice as to the character that attracted them the most, and those choices would be different. I just hate that the trophies encourage "romantic liasons" with various characters and don't just leave it "complete a romance". In many ways I'm taken out of the story by the trophies and instead am considering the "technicalities" of being a slut and if it would work in terms of acquiring various trophies on one playthrough. It's not a thought that would be natural to me if I wasn't aware of the trophies (though it could be natural to others! LOL!). Once again, trophies have managed to negatively impact a game for me. I really wish there was a trophy opt-out option... so that trophies didn't even show at all - because it's hard not to look!


Decisions, decisions. Anyone else having some problems with the romantic moral ambiguity?
Oh, and I don't care if there's a trophy for it or not... I'm not doing it with a dwarf... that's just asking too much!



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shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:27
shipero
Whenever I have a dilemma like this I think thing of my old family motto: "Get gold, fuck wenches, drink mead. Wisdom."
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:32
Sean Carey
I'm just this much of a nerd, but I say you take trophies entirely out of the equation and role-play the situation the way your character would. If you're playing a helpful, altruistic character who has been considerate of the party's emotions up until now, then sleeping around is probably a huge break from the character you've been playing.

I've you've been playing more of a neutral, what's in it for me, I'm fighting the darkspawn because I HAVE to kind of character, then slut it up to your heart's content.

If you're playing evil, then you should make them all fall in love with you and then dump them.

Man, I played too much D&D back in the day. Thought provoking post.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:37
Elsa
mkShiranui... I edited to clarify... it was the trophies pissing me off! Wish I didn't know about the other options (and that I had to complete them), the game is better for not knowing.

Shipero... LOL! Good family motto! I'm a goody two shoes though... or trying to be one. It doesn't always work out so well. :(

Walkyourpath... it's hard to ignore the trophies once you have a peek at them though. I just hate the whole trophy thing in general. Oh, and I've not been entirely "good" - I did check out the whores at the local whorehouse (just curiousity)!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:41
Xzyliac
Yeah I feel really bummed about those kinds of choices too. I play through with one character and I try to adopt a personality instead of "I'm gonna be good," and I do my Drama Excercises, lose myself, get in character, and what happens happens.

But then I look at the Achievements or I beat the game and run through the guide to see what I missed and I'm always bummed because I want to see so much more of the universe but they make you completely diverge from your path and it fucking sucks. And I'm not about to break my own rule and create a new character because I keep a pure bloodline!

Also I'd like to think that being bisexual I get to have a very nice even opinion of attractiveness in all people. That said I'd bang a redheaded chick over any other kind of anything anyday of the week like it's goin' out of style. Hey, you asked.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:43
Takeshi
I don't care if you're a slut or not, I will continue making you sandwiches.

CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:45
CelicaCrazed
Does your character gain XP and new skills through sleeping around?? If so, you may want to go grinding and increase your level before you confront Alistair. If not, well he is really not going to care as long as he gets some action too haha :P
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:47
Jon B
Lesbian route is best route.

No explaination, it just is.
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:51
Andrew Kauz
Time permitting, I think the best thing to do is play one character as a sort of role-playing, where you make your character do what you would do in each situation, letting whatever happens happen. Then, on a second playthrough, play to experience as much of the content of the game as possible, letting yourself be not only a slut in terms of relationships, but also in terms of being a content whore, trying to see everything that the game can possibly offer.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:51
Elsa
LMAO... love the responses!

... and I just realized, but the trophies not only ruin the romantic options, they also ruin other parts of the game (where you get a trophy for siding with each different side in a dispute). I'm realizing that I'm creating lots of save points, so I can simply reload and do things differently if I want the trophy and to see the alternate story line.

This just seems wrong. I like to play a game once... I want a wonderful story of my own choosing and making. If they can't give me an opt-out option, can they at least give a "hide all trophies" option so we can't see them? UGH. I just wish that the PS3 never brought in the whole achievements thing... it's so damn hard not to look (well, for me anyway, my husband has no such problems - not sure he even know they are there!)
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 11:54
Elsa
@Kauza... yeah, I think that's the route I'll probably take! I normally don't replay a game though - I enjoy it for the story I created, then move on to another game. I think I'll just play through as I feel like it (ignoring the trophy options) then if I have time and the inclination - play through again to see all the options.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:02
Sharpless
I'm always a slut in games, if I can be. I'm pretty sure this says something about me in real life. (And I'll call it out before anyone else does: I'm sexually frustrated and would be a total slut if anyone would have me. Happy?) I was actually disappointed that I couldn't bang both potential love interests in Mass Effect.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:08
falinter
Yeah I hated going back in fallout 3 to be Evil Neutral and Good.
I just want to play the way I want to play ONCE. Especially in a huge RPG. WTF!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:09
Xzyliac
... and I just realized, but the trophies not only ruin the romantic options, they also ruin other parts of the game

Awmigod did you play Mass Effect? Entire chunks of the universe just disappear if you're not entirely Renegade or entirely Paragon. It was ridiculous. When I read the guide I was upset at how much I missed. That may be my fault for reading the guide though and spoiling it. :P Bioware is soo good and creating difficult choices but I sometimes wonder what's the point when they wave these bones in front of your face and force you to go backs and redo your decision. Way to break the suspension of disbelief.
Anonymouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:10
Anonymouse
Uhhh.... I really can't help you here...
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:15
Elsa
@Xzyliac... I never did play Mass Effect, but I did play Baldur's Gate: SoA by Bioware (and had the romance with Anomen... the only option for a female character) and this was before trophies... so I had no problem just playing the game, having fun, playing it the way it naturally unfolded.

I guess the problem isn't even necessarily with the trophy system - it's the specific trophies they've decided to use that not only give spoilers but necessitate the playing of the game several times. Bioware apparently really needs to have better trophies that don't impact on gameplay (or again, if Sony would only give me that "opt out" option!!)

(and I'm still laughing at Takeshi's sandwich comment!!)
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:15
DF
But wait, why do you have to have all of the trophies for having relations with the characters? Why not stick with one? Sure, your trophy count will be lower and all, but it's completely unnecessary to max out every game on achievements and all (surprisingly).

I wonder how many people actually think of this? "What will people think if they see that one character has gotten all three trophies?" Granted, few people will really care, but it's a look into the mind of the player that we so rarely get. =P
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:30
king3vbo
I say be a super slut. Fapped for good measure
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 12:47
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
If I'm not mistaken, isn't there a threesome option with Zevran? I'm sure there is one if you have a male character, I saw a video of the conversation leading up to it on youtube. Do that then...or something...

Man, this is one thing I liked about how Mass Effect handled this. There was just one achievement for completing a "romance", not one for completing each one.

Or you can do what Kazua said. I did that with Mass Effect recently, and it totally changed a lot of the meaning of the events for me.
Yehat's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 13:08
Yehat
For some reason I could never get into party character romances in most RPGs, it always felt kind of like the game sort of either forced it on you, like in Mass Effect or sort tried to give the player some arbitrary incentive to it kind of like the trophy system you descibed. I haven't played DA so I can't say but I've rarely been compelled by in game character romances for the sake of story.

I guess that's why I liked Torment's romance since it never went further than really a heavy suggestion that two companions have a thing for the player character. Demonic fem fatales apparently have a thing for immortal zombie dudes with dreads.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 13:23
TheJesusNinja26
I'm playing Draong Age now, but I haven't read the achievements. Because I just want to play the game. You say you don't care about achievements, but your actions and writing this article shows otherwise. Wouldn't you agree? Maybe this artile is really about the fact you are deep down... a whore. An achievement whore that is.

"Love me" - Maude Lebowksi
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 13:36
ChronosWing
WAIT WAIT WAIT, Morrigan won't have sex with women char's!?!?!?!? FUCK!!!! Why am I wasting my time with her then!? I've been swooning her for 10 hours and now your telling me it was a waste of time!?
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 13:51
KrazyKraut
Yes, plz!

Be a slut...a slut like you already are!
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:04
Naim Master
Taking trophy whore to a WHOLE new level! Also, no matter what you do, definitively do Leliana, she's the best companion ever.
Dinin Vorta's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:10
Dinin Vorta
I tend to roleplay the romance that bests suits my current character. And being unimaginative, I pretty much always play a 'light-shines-outta-my-arse' paladin. Thus my chosen tumble is usually with the sweet, naive and soon to be unchaste maiden.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:20
manasteel88
I'm not sure but this just seems like a development issue. They should hide the achievement/trophy much like many other games do. Especially for RPGs where achievements are story based.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:21
SilverDragon1979
You should most definitely be a slut Elsa. There are way too man "good girls" in the world. Enough with all them. Sleep with as many fake digital men as you possibly can.

Just remember to use a digital condom. You don't need to catch one of those pesky console transmitted diseases. I hear they can be a real bitch. Your PS3 can ooze a puss like substance and you don't want any of that.

Onto the actual serious topic at hand though, I do hate how Bioware gives you trophies and achievements you can only get by playing the game Multiple times. The only way to get 1000 achievement points in Mass Effect is to play the game like 3 or 4 times. Who the fuck has time for that.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:28
Handy
You should be a total slut, break all their hearts, and then write a monthly musings blog about it.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:44
wanderingpixel
The 360 version is the same. I totally agree, also I hate how you can only have romantic relationships with certain characters.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:49
Elsa
LOL Doomsday! So a peek at my trophies will tell if I was a slut or not! Yeah, the trophies thing gets even worse!

@Palidi... a threesome option? I never even considered that one! Wow... this romantic stuff is getting even more complex!

@Yehat... the romances are entirely optional (unless you want the trophies) but they definitely don't feel forced at all...

@Jesus Ninja... I try not to look at trophies first, but part way through the game I got a trophy for something and looked to see what it was (cause I had no idea what I'd done) and saw them. I just know that they're "there" and curiosity takes me the rest of the way. An opt out option would totally remove the temptation!
(it's like a piece of chocolate sitting in front of you... you already ate an entire tub of Rocky Road Haagen Daz ice cream, and know you don't need the extra calories... but it's THERE!... and gone)

@Naim... yeah, definitely trophy "whore" fits this game! LOL!

@Dinin... yeah, it sounds like your "light-shines outta-my-arse" paladin would get along well with my shiny lady knight!

@manasteel... that's the other alternative... hide all the trophies that are plot spoilers.

@SilverDragon... LMAO!!! Yeah, I should be a slut. That's what my husband says I should do... and I'll tell you, it sure feels wierd to be discussing your virutal romantic options with your husband!
(and I too hate re-playing games... which is why I have no platinums so far... that and I move on to new games pretty quickly!)

@Handy... LOL! Now there's an idea!
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:52
Niero
I always considered personas when doing a playthrough. You can play this as a slut (40 hours) and later on extend the game by revisiting the land as the reincarnation of a gay priest's basset hound (another 40 hours)
Chocobo Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 14:54
Chocobo Knight
Just thank the stars there isn't an 'Anomen' as your only frigging choice if you play a female character as in Baldur's Gate 2. Alistair is a breath of fresh, sweet air compared to that bipolar douche of the Radiant Heart.

With all the choices available in Dragon Age, I've played something close to what Kauza described. My first character reflected me to a degree when it came to choices and decisions with no outside influence to tell me what would happen next. After I finished the game, I'm going back now to explore different routes that I normally wouldn't do the first time around.

Regardless of who I pick next to play with, Alistair is a hard NPC to leave out as I enjoy his colorful dialogue and interjections with others. Of course, leaving him in camp naked is also a nice thing to come back to...
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:16
Mike Moran
It's true that this very much so could have been posted as a Monthly Musing. You realize you even use the words "Do the wrong thing" right in the blog itself, right?
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:25
TriplZer0
Kauza raises a good point about playing two different files - one for role-playing and the other for exploring content.

But the thing I don't like about that is that a lot of these big srpawling games have a lot of boring spots. I don't want to have to replay all these just to explore some different content I missed out on during my first play through.

Agree with the whole trophies spoiling parts of the storyline thing. That's why I try not to check the trophy list until after I beat the game.
Arkhon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:28
Arkhon
I often find it more fun just to ignore achievements and pure roleplay. In Oblivion I made a character based on Black Mage from 8-Bit Theater and just ran around killing literally every single NPC I met by stabbing them with my rusty iron dagger. I fought an epic thirty minute battle/massacre in the Imperial City as Imperial Legion soldiers kept pouring out of the various barracks to attack me. Fun times. I didn't get any achievements on that playthrough, but I also didn't care.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:31
Qraze
hmm. quite the predicament.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:36
Velt
Ok, here is what you should do as a girl that will work pretty much ok: tell the guy you are bi, then sleep with the girl and have a threesome. Your marriage is going to last for a very long time.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 15:46
Tubatic
To quote Stella Wong, RetroforgeGO Episode 100 "Mack on as many as (you) can ... You want to collect them all, trust me!"

Be warned, I don't think they're necessarily going to let you get away with it so easily. If my trip to "The Pearl" in Denerim is any indication, Leliana has no interest in sharing you, at least with cunning card playing chicks or the resident dwarven "companion" lady...

Tell us how this works out for you! :D
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 16:39
Syn
I have a solution: Stop caring about got damn Trophies and Achievements!
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 16:41
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
"a threesome option? I never even considered that one! Wow... this romantic stuff is getting even more complex!"

It's more of a business agreement. From the video I saw, she'll teach you the basics of some...class...thing...in exchange for one..."romp" lets put it.

If you have Zevran with you though, then you have to listen to this chick blabber on with him about how they use to be lovers or something. Then she asks you if you want him to join in too.

I've only seen this scene with a male character though, so I don't know if it's specific to males or not.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 16:55
Chris Carter
Zhevran is awesome.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 19:23
bluexy
How can you so easily cast aside dwarven emotions, or bluntly, dwarf sex! I think there is dwarf prejudice in this game because I can't say a damn thing without losing points with my entire party. Time to find some gifts I guess!

Alistair encompasses all those lame fantasy hero stereotypes that I've grown to despise, but I suppose he's required material in order to sell copies to the Twilight generation (burn?).

You must be enjoying this game as much as I am. :)
Chibi_Zero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/10/2009 20:02
Chibi_Zero
There is even an option for a foursome. But from what I read it seems like it would take some work to get done.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 08:23
Takeshi
Ah dammit, I wanted to add something constructive too, not only a picture I found while searching for "slut" and "sandwich" in Google. I just totally forgot about it because I was playing Ratchet & Clank. It was going to be something about Fallout 3's moral choices and trophies.

Normally I do exactly what Niero mentioned. Play it again doing it the other way to extend a great game. In Fallout 3 I did not because 3 times 200 hours (or something I don't even know) is a bit too much. I usually don't look at the trophies at all when playing a game. I want to finish it first because I want to enjoy it. Did that with Ratchet and Clank, Borderlands and Uncharted 2 recently. After I was done with (and really REALLY enjoyed) all of them I checked the trophies. I think that's what trophies should be like. A little extra thing to extend a game. You shouldn't be guided by the trophies because it usually ruins the game for me. Funnily enough it made me enjoy Fallout 3. I kept an eye on the trophies the whole time.

Also I'm not really fond of games with moral choices. I can never decide what to do. So usually I'll be neutral. Shoot someone there and help someone else. It really depends on the characters in the game.

There you have it. Not really constructive actually.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 10:14
Velt
you can have a foursome in the game?
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 13:14
Joanna Mueller
This is why I had to stop reading any walk-throughs and game guides. I'd get so preoccupied with all the options available to me and the means that I'd have to take if I didn't want to miss them that I always end up overwhelmed and eventually stop actually playing the game and instead feel like I'm just walking through the story already knowing where I'll end up.

I say role-play your character and enjoy the game, the achievements will still be there if you ever choose to go back and do it again and this way you'll experience "your" version game and not the padded out badge whoring one the devs create to accommodate everyone.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 13:49
Elsa
@Niero... the problem being that I haven't determined my "persona" yet... maybe I am a slut in the game! :)

@Chocobo... YES!!! Anomen was such a pussy... and with no other choices it made it difficult. It's soooo nice to have choices!

@Wry... yeah, I should have changed this up a bit and could have made it a monthly musing. :(

@Triple... I agree, I hate having to replay a game. The story should be what you make of it in a natural sense (whether I end up being a slut or not)... and the trophies are spoilers (though I try not to look... but there is information on this everywhere, not just in the trophies) :(

@Arkhon... LMAO, that does sound fun! I was always a bit scared of all those soldiers... they were a pain if you pissed them off and I never even did it on purpose!

@Velt... LOL... but I do want to marry if that's part of the game, not sure how a threesome would affect that.

@Tubatic... I had no problems with any of my NPC's when I checked out the Pearl! (though I opted for a guy!)

Syn... wish I could... wish they didn't exist. In fact that's one reason I bought a launch PS3 - no achievements. I knew I had potential to be a trophy whore, and now find myself constantly resisting that temptation. :(

Zev... yeah, figures he'd be the one for the threesome option! It seems "consistent" with his personality (and that's why Mag likes him I bet!)

Bluexy... no burn on the Twilight comment! Never read any of the books or seen any of the movies and I'm 47... a little on the older side. Alistair is a little "lame" but at least he's got a sense of humour and isn't constantly following me around mooning over me like Anomen in Baldur's Gate did (and yes, I'm loving the game so far!)

@Chibi... a foursome! Lord... I just had a vision in my head of all the NPC's doing it in a mass orgy! LOL!

Hey Takeshi... that sandwich picture still has me laughing!! It's the "replaying" the game thing. I tend to prefer just playing a game once, it's very rare I'll replay a game again, even if it has different endings. I may eventually get around to doing it with this game though.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 14:49
Syn
@Elsa: that makes me sad, but oh well, you get to suffer then :P
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 15:44
HiddenAHB
Play another time differently.
That's how i got all Achievements in Fable II and Fallout 3, i'm kinda of a completion whore so i like to have a lot of characters each one with a morality guide and partners.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2009 15:47
ikiryou
There's no way to be sluttier than Morrigan. Hell, the option to kiss her is available with just a few personal questions. I'm going for Leliana since I'm partial to redheads. And I like seeing Morrigan when she's po'ed.
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Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!