In Dragon Age: Origins there is a trophy for a romance with Alistair (who is kinda hot and is funny and charming), but there are also trophies for completing a romance with Zevran and Leliana... now can I do all 3 romances in the same game play through? Can I be a slut? (and apparently a bi-sexual one, because Leliana is open to either gender). Even if I can't do it all in one runthrough, I will have to be pretty slutty and eventually sleep with them all, not to mention I'll have to play as a guy and sleep with Morrigan (who I detest) if I want the trophies.
This is what is wrong with trophies. They make me do the wrong thing, something I don't want to do, have no inclination towards... and I'll have to go against my heart and be a slut - doing the wrong thing. In fact, even considering being a slut feels kind of wrong. Now I do have to give kudos to a game that has me twisted up in sexual morality... because while I really like Alistair, I can't help but wonder if maybe I should have a quick fling with the sweet Leliana and that elf-man Zev first, then conclude with the romance with my "one true love". Alistair has the potential to be a man of title and power, and let's be real - I'm a girl... I want a nice house, security and a cute husband. Then again, will he even offer marriage? Also, if I sleep with Zev and Leliana, will he even want me? Maybe like real life, I'll blow a chance at a good relationship by giving in to those slutty temptations.
So... Leliana, the sweet red-headed temptress... or Alistair, my studly knight... or Zev... the naughty Elf? The game does succeed in presenting real choices with differing personalities and with different possible outcomes.
EDIT: Just to clarify my point... I detest trophies that offer spoilers for plot lines (and who you can have romances with) but the game does offer multiple options and the flirting and various characters manage to make it seem realistic. Each person playing the game would likely have their own choice as to the character that attracted them the most, and those choices would be different. I just hate that the trophies encourage "romantic liasons" with various characters and don't just leave it "complete a romance". In many ways I'm taken out of the story by the trophies and instead am considering the "technicalities" of being a slut and if it would work in terms of acquiring various trophies on one playthrough. It's not a thought that would be natural to me if I wasn't aware of the trophies (though it could be natural to others! LOL!). Once again, trophies have managed to negatively impact a game for me. I really wish there was a trophy opt-out option... so that trophies didn't even show at all - because it's hard not to look!
Decisions, decisions. Anyone else having some problems with the romantic moral ambiguity?
Oh, and I don't care if there's a trophy for it or not... I'm not doing it with a dwarf... that's just asking too much!
I've you've been playing more of a neutral, what's in it for me, I'm fighting the darkspawn because I HAVE to kind of character, then slut it up to your heart's content.
If you're playing evil, then you should make them all fall in love with you and then dump them.
Man, I played too much D&D back in the day. Thought provoking post.
Shipero... LOL! Good family motto! I'm a goody two shoes though... or trying to be one. It doesn't always work out so well. :(
Walkyourpath... it's hard to ignore the trophies once you have a peek at them though. I just hate the whole trophy thing in general. Oh, and I've not been entirely "good" - I did check out the whores at the local whorehouse (just curiousity)!
But then I look at the Achievements or I beat the game and run through the guide to see what I missed and I'm always bummed because I want to see so much more of the universe but they make you completely diverge from your path and it fucking sucks. And I'm not about to break my own rule and create a new character because I keep a pure bloodline!
Also I'd like to think that being bisexual I get to have a very nice even opinion of attractiveness in all people. That said I'd bang a redheaded chick over any other kind of anything anyday of the week like it's goin' out of style. Hey, you asked.
No explaination, it just is.
... and I just realized, but the trophies not only ruin the romantic options, they also ruin other parts of the game (where you get a trophy for siding with each different side in a dispute). I'm realizing that I'm creating lots of save points, so I can simply reload and do things differently if I want the trophy and to see the alternate story line.
This just seems wrong. I like to play a game once... I want a wonderful story of my own choosing and making. If they can't give me an opt-out option, can they at least give a "hide all trophies" option so we can't see them? UGH. I just wish that the PS3 never brought in the whole achievements thing... it's so damn hard not to look (well, for me anyway, my husband has no such problems - not sure he even know they are there!)
I just want to play the way I want to play ONCE. Especially in a huge RPG. WTF!
Awmigod did you play Mass Effect? Entire chunks of the universe just disappear if you're not entirely Renegade or entirely Paragon. It was ridiculous. When I read the guide I was upset at how much I missed. That may be my fault for reading the guide though and spoiling it. :P Bioware is soo good and creating difficult choices but I sometimes wonder what's the point when they wave these bones in front of your face and force you to go backs and redo your decision. Way to break the suspension of disbelief.
I guess the problem isn't even necessarily with the trophy system - it's the specific trophies they've decided to use that not only give spoilers but necessitate the playing of the game several times. Bioware apparently really needs to have better trophies that don't impact on gameplay (or again, if Sony would only give me that "opt out" option!!)
(and I'm still laughing at Takeshi's sandwich comment!!)
I wonder how many people actually think of this? "What will people think if they see that one character has gotten all three trophies?" Granted, few people will really care, but it's a look into the mind of the player that we so rarely get. =P
Man, this is one thing I liked about how Mass Effect handled this. There was just one achievement for completing a "romance", not one for completing each one.
Or you can do what Kazua said. I did that with Mass Effect recently, and it totally changed a lot of the meaning of the events for me.
I guess that's why I liked Torment's romance since it never went further than really a heavy suggestion that two companions have a thing for the player character. Demonic fem fatales apparently have a thing for immortal zombie dudes with dreads.
"Love me" - Maude Lebowksi
Be a slut...a slut like you already are!
Just remember to use a digital condom. You don't need to catch one of those pesky console transmitted diseases. I hear they can be a real bitch. Your PS3 can ooze a puss like substance and you don't want any of that.
Onto the actual serious topic at hand though, I do hate how Bioware gives you trophies and achievements you can only get by playing the game Multiple times. The only way to get 1000 achievement points in Mass Effect is to play the game like 3 or 4 times. Who the fuck has time for that.
@Palidi... a threesome option? I never even considered that one! Wow... this romantic stuff is getting even more complex!
@Yehat... the romances are entirely optional (unless you want the trophies) but they definitely don't feel forced at all...
@Jesus Ninja... I try not to look at trophies first, but part way through the game I got a trophy for something and looked to see what it was (cause I had no idea what I'd done) and saw them. I just know that they're "there" and curiosity takes me the rest of the way. An opt out option would totally remove the temptation!
(it's like a piece of chocolate sitting in front of you... you already ate an entire tub of Rocky Road Haagen Daz ice cream, and know you don't need the extra calories... but it's THERE!... and gone)
@Naim... yeah, definitely trophy "whore" fits this game! LOL!
@Dinin... yeah, it sounds like your "light-shines outta-my-arse" paladin would get along well with my shiny lady knight!
@manasteel... that's the other alternative... hide all the trophies that are plot spoilers.
@SilverDragon... LMAO!!! Yeah, I should be a slut. That's what my husband says I should do... and I'll tell you, it sure feels wierd to be discussing your virutal romantic options with your husband!
(and I too hate re-playing games... which is why I have no platinums so far... that and I move on to new games pretty quickly!)
@Handy... LOL! Now there's an idea!
With all the choices available in Dragon Age, I've played something close to what Kauza described. My first character reflected me to a degree when it came to choices and decisions with no outside influence to tell me what would happen next. After I finished the game, I'm going back now to explore different routes that I normally wouldn't do the first time around.
Regardless of who I pick next to play with, Alistair is a hard NPC to leave out as I enjoy his colorful dialogue and interjections with others. Of course, leaving him in camp naked is also a nice thing to come back to...
But the thing I don't like about that is that a lot of these big srpawling games have a lot of boring spots. I don't want to have to replay all these just to explore some different content I missed out on during my first play through.
Agree with the whole trophies spoiling parts of the storyline thing. That's why I try not to check the trophy list until after I beat the game.
Be warned, I don't think they're necessarily going to let you get away with it so easily. If my trip to "The Pearl" in Denerim is any indication, Leliana has no interest in sharing you, at least with cunning card playing chicks or the resident dwarven "companion" lady...
Tell us how this works out for you! :D
It's more of a business agreement. From the video I saw, she'll teach you the basics of some...class...thing...in exchange for one..."romp" lets put it.
If you have Zevran with you though, then you have to listen to this chick blabber on with him about how they use to be lovers or something. Then she asks you if you want him to join in too.
I've only seen this scene with a male character though, so I don't know if it's specific to males or not.
Alistair encompasses all those lame fantasy hero stereotypes that I've grown to despise, but I suppose he's required material in order to sell copies to the Twilight generation (burn?).
You must be enjoying this game as much as I am. :)
Normally I do exactly what Niero mentioned. Play it again doing it the other way to extend a great game. In Fallout 3 I did not because 3 times 200 hours (or something I don't even know) is a bit too much. I usually don't look at the trophies at all when playing a game. I want to finish it first because I want to enjoy it. Did that with Ratchet and Clank, Borderlands and Uncharted 2 recently. After I was done with (and really REALLY enjoyed) all of them I checked the trophies. I think that's what trophies should be like. A little extra thing to extend a game. You shouldn't be guided by the trophies because it usually ruins the game for me. Funnily enough it made me enjoy Fallout 3. I kept an eye on the trophies the whole time.
Also I'm not really fond of games with moral choices. I can never decide what to do. So usually I'll be neutral. Shoot someone there and help someone else. It really depends on the characters in the game.
There you have it. Not really constructive actually.
I say role-play your character and enjoy the game, the achievements will still be there if you ever choose to go back and do it again and this way you'll experience "your" version game and not the padded out badge whoring one the devs create to accommodate everyone.
@Chocobo... YES!!! Anomen was such a pussy... and with no other choices it made it difficult. It's soooo nice to have choices!
@Wry... yeah, I should have changed this up a bit and could have made it a monthly musing. :(
@Triple... I agree, I hate having to replay a game. The story should be what you make of it in a natural sense (whether I end up being a slut or not)... and the trophies are spoilers (though I try not to look... but there is information on this everywhere, not just in the trophies) :(
@Arkhon... LMAO, that does sound fun! I was always a bit scared of all those soldiers... they were a pain if you pissed them off and I never even did it on purpose!
@Velt... LOL... but I do want to marry if that's part of the game, not sure how a threesome would affect that.
@Tubatic... I had no problems with any of my NPC's when I checked out the Pearl! (though I opted for a guy!)
Syn... wish I could... wish they didn't exist. In fact that's one reason I bought a launch PS3 - no achievements. I knew I had potential to be a trophy whore, and now find myself constantly resisting that temptation. :(
Zev... yeah, figures he'd be the one for the threesome option! It seems "consistent" with his personality (and that's why Mag likes him I bet!)
Bluexy... no burn on the Twilight comment! Never read any of the books or seen any of the movies and I'm 47... a little on the older side. Alistair is a little "lame" but at least he's got a sense of humour and isn't constantly following me around mooning over me like Anomen in Baldur's Gate did (and yes, I'm loving the game so far!)
@Chibi... a foursome! Lord... I just had a vision in my head of all the NPC's doing it in a mass orgy! LOL!
Hey Takeshi... that sandwich picture still has me laughing!! It's the "replaying" the game thing. I tend to prefer just playing a game once, it's very rare I'll replay a game again, even if it has different endings. I may eventually get around to doing it with this game though.
That's how i got all Achievements in Fable II and Fallout 3, i'm kinda of a completion whore so i like to have a lot of characters each one with a morality guide and partners.