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Hi! I write for another gaming website - mybigassgamingsite.com, but nobody comments on my stuff over there except for my Mom and a few friends that I have blackmail photos of, so I'm copying all my crap over here in hopes that my outstanding writing skills and fun-filled witty humour will encourage you to dump Destructoid and hang out at my site instead, so I can make lots of money and be famous! /sarcasm. I often seem to see people who are maintaining their own gaming website or blog, wanting to start their own gaming website, or are drawn to participate in a small start-up or niche gaming website. I can understand the allure... it's one step closer to that oft-professed dream of becoming a real-life, paid "videah gamez writer"! It's one step closer to realizing the dream of your very own Destructoid. It's one step closer towards becoming what many Dtoid staff have achieved - careers in an industry you love. What I don't understand is why people don't perceive those same opportunities as being right here - here at Destructoid. It just seems to me that it's better to be a small fish in a big sea, rather than a big fish in a tiny puddle. Isn't it better to first see if you have writing talent before starting your own site? If you can't build up a readership here, then it's highly doubtful you could build it out there on the intranets where there isn't a ready-made audience. Isn't it also better to see if you can commit to producing regular work? If your website or blog doesn't have a constant flow of new and original content, it'll just die a slow painful death. Isn't it better to find your style and "voice" here on a site where you'll get honest (often brutally honest) feedback... instead of the praise you get from your Mom and your friends on your own site? It's a tough go out there in internet-land. It seems that everyone has their own gaming website... and to be honest, most of them out there are all seem the same - videa game newz... written by me and my 5 friends on the front page, and a forum section for the peons to talk amongst themselves about my awesome writings.
I have no problem with people going after a career they want, and if that career is to be a games writer, then go for it. I guess I do have a problem with people whoring their works though. I don't want to see copy/pasta from your "other" site. I don't care if you whore yourself around and write for a bunch of different sites in the hopes of getting noticed... as long as the work is original for that site, aimed at the community for that site, and as long as you care enough to comment on the works of others on that site and actually be a part of that community. I don't even care if you link to your other great gaming article, but talk about the comments you got, talk about writing it, talk about something. Put some effort in and don't just copy/paste... or I'll put the same effort forth and not bother reading it. Personally I think that the whole dream of being a video games journalist is short sighted. I don't honestly know that this career will even exist in 10 years. The concept is based on an outdated world of paper publications where interaction was limited to a letter to the editor. Recent studies are showing that people purchase games increasingly based on word of mouth from other gamers. Reviews and previews, the staples of video games journalism, are playing less and less a role in gamer purchasing decisions. With the internet I think that people are less interested in reading the writings of a specific person, and they are more interested in something more participatory. Something that will amuse them, intrigue them, or in some way meet their needs. Destructoid serves my personal purposes because primarily it is a "community". It's a place where I can find people to game online with and a place where I can talk about games while reading bits of gaming news and interesting blogs by other gamers. I often find the c-blog writings of the "unprofessional" writers to be more interesting and more relevant to my own interests. If you want to build a gaming site, then look to the future. The future might not be in being a famous "videa gamez journalist", maybe it's in creating a site where "everybody" can feel that they are a famous videa gamez journalist. Personally I think that's one of the reasons that Destructoid is so successful. Niero seems to have had the uncanny and wonderful ability to pick "good people". People that are friendly, outgoing, willing to share the spotlight and even shine the spotlight on others on occasion. While reviews and previews will always have a place on gaming sites, these are to be found in abundance all over the internet, finding a true gaming community is something much more difficult to find, and something much more difficult to create. So, I guess what I'm saying is, shit or get off the pot. If you want to be part of Destructoid, then be part of Destructoid. Yes, you might be but a guppy in a sea of sharks, but at least your "our" guppy and I'm more likely to read your stuff. Who knows, if you keep at it you might get noticed and eventually grow into a shark (or at least a ferocious guppy), but you're more likely to be noticed here, than on your own small blog lost out there in a Wordpress world. Along the way you might even start playing games with other community members, might start joking around with them, arguing with them, discussing issues with them... and discovering why Destructoid seems to work. Personally I think that "community" is the future of video games journalism, not your fabulous writing (no matter how fabulous it is, because I am a voracious and fickle consumer... if you don't constantly keep me entertained, I will dump you faster than a guy picking his nose on a first date). Maybe being a "party planner" and organizing online games, group activities, a place for gaming groups to get organized... maybe that's a future for gaming websites (and if you get a good one going, be sure to let me know because I haven't found a good place for this yet!) Think outside the box!
I have no personal aspirations to be a video gamez journalist.... but I am a voice of someone who reads... and reads a LOT. If you want me to read you or visit your site... then you need to offer more than just "you". You need to address my needs as a consumer and offer something more than a Dtoid clone or something I already have, otherwise I'm simply not buying... and frankly, I just find it irritating for you to be advertising your copy/pasta wares here, or just linking to shit on other sites with no information about why I should click that link. I don't even know why I find it irritating... I just do. WARNING: Everyone is entitled to my opinion! I'm armed with a laptop and willing to use it. Beware of random drive-by comments and bombardment by a bloated bevy of blithely banal bloggy opinions totally unsuited to a professional publication. Side effects may include drowsiness, upset stomach, dizziness, confusion or dryness of mouth. Please take with food or milk and a grain of salt. This blog may contain peanuts, and is not suited to those with allergies to reality. Please do not be offended if you are one of the 99% of Dtoid readers who has, has had, will have or currently writes for another gaming publication, website, blog, or webring about funny cats. I'm in an irritable mood today and just want to be able to write without feeling pressured to be a "videa gamez writer" because it sometimes seems like everyone wants to be one and I feel out of place. I just want to be a gamer who writes about my gaming experiences, talks with other gamers and meets other gamers to play online with. No, I don't want to visit or join your "other", "real", "primary" or "main" writing site. I just really don't care. Now if you want to go make me a sandwich... I might re-consider....
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HAS MY ENTIRE LIFE BEEN FOR NOTHING ELSA?
Also, is that Imagine: Party Planner a real thing? Cause if it is...
Now I have a new dream career: snarky pop-culture critic. Here, check this delightful little bon mot: 'Lady Gaga? More like Lady Gag-a. You know, because her music makes me want to puke.' Yeah, I'm going places.
@Occams... yeah, I've been in a killer cranky mood the last few days - no idea why. Regarding the Imagine game... yeah, it's actually a real thing. Scary isn't it??
@Solgrim... apparently so! I do check other sites as well as here, but only actively participate on Dtoid now. I do love the sense of community and I think with Anthony getting his new job and with both Kauza and Sean moving up to contributor status (is that what they are now?), there seems to have been an influx of "hi, I'm new and I wanna be a video games writer when I grow up" people. That's fine, I don't want to squash dreams... but it just seems that all the dreams are the same and it would be nice to see some innovative thinking.
@Shipero... "snarky pop-culture critic" LOL! I hate to break it to you (yeah, here I go squashing dreams again), but I think that's been done before - though maybe you could become a "snarky pop-culture critic critic" and critique other snarky pop culture critics?
I have nothing to say. Wish I did. Still don't.
Trying to blog on Destructoid made me realize that I'm not much of a writer. On the other hand I have some SWEET wipeout screenies I need to post.
Thanks for being the voice of reason in an otherwise insane internet Elsa.
At least the aspiring journalists write about...something we can relate to. Devs just push their game.
And for a minute, I thought you actually were writing for a site called bigassgamingsite.com!
Get that Imagine game in my DS right now!
Destructoid offers a great opportunity for everybody who likes to write about gaming to be read and/or heard without too much effort.
@Zodiac... LOL! Glad someone else if feeling the same sense of frustration (aren't I evil!). For me it was 2 blogs here that started my rant... one is someone that wanted to start a gaming site - I like him, I don't want him to leave. I felt pissed off and frustrated that he wanted to go away when he could stay here. The other blog was the standard copy/pasta from another site - meh, he got no responses last I saw, and he's even a decent writer... just so "visit my other site" ish. :(
@Mag... yeah, devs either do it right or do it wrong. I have to say that BrainCandy seems to have done it right. He comments on other stuff and actually plays games... he's a gamer who's also a dev. He also seems to talk about being a dev... rather than just shilling his game. Oh, and I checked.. bigassgamingsite.com isn't taken if anyone wants it! LOL!
@Aurain.. yeah, the only thing Dtoid is lacking for me personally is a better "meet up and play" function... I'd love to see them add a gaming calendar where people could add games they're hosting (maybe sorted by console or something). I've been getting an itch lately to play Killzone but it really is a lot more fun to play with a group rather than randoms. It's also a lot of work to organize group gaming - kudos to our Friday Night Fights bloggers!
It's weird that I comment like a fiend but I've got 3 unfinished blog writeups about this and that and I don't want to finish them or let them see light of day for various reasons like they're boring and stupid. Part of it might be how free time in the amounts that a blog post would take tends to go into actual gaming :\
@Pvppy and @Kraid - sounds like both of you did something and than realized that Dtoid was your best option. I just joined probably last week, unaware of the "community blogs," or blogs that the user themselves could create.
what an ingenious idea. I, too, Elsa, feel this is why Dtoid sticks out in the gaming community. Anything that ties together the community, in more than a "commenting" section where all you discuss is the publisher's article, is at least worth hearing about.
On that note, has anyone tried/anyone a member of 1up.com?
Needless to say, it never happened. My friends read it only occasionally (bad friends), I got very few comments and emails from people outside my circle (and I doubt any of them ever returned), and eventually I lost interest and let the domain lapse. (I own the name until 2012, however, so anyone interested in buying www.pissed-on.com should PM me. Kidding. Maybe.)
During this time, I also wrote for another, now-dead site, and I gave myself one rule: never cross-publish. The whole idea just seemed wrong to me.
I'm not sure where I was going with this, or whether I had a point, but no matter. I guess what I'm trying to say is, "I hear ya barkin', dawg."
And frankly, I don't really see the appeal of the games JOURNALISM career. As soon as I start picking up a paycheck for my hobby, it ceases to be my hobby. No thank you. C-blogging will more than suffice for me. Nice write up!
@Nic... yeah, it's an old expression, but somehow fitting for this topic!
@PvPPY... LMAO! Well, there are girl gamer sites, gay gamer sites, gorgeous gamer sites... so why not a big ass gaming site? (and post those blogs will ya! As I said, I like to be entertained and prefer to read blogs of people I recognize... it's that "community" thing!)
@Gamebyte.... whew! I never checked the site name when I did this blog so I'm pretty relieved it doesn't exist! LOL!
Welcome to Dtoid... and yeah, Dtoid really does seem built on community what with the c-blogs, forums and also the Friday Night Fights where we game together. It's also all nicely tied together with gaming news constantly being fed to us on the front page too! Regarding 1Up.com, I did try there many years ago, but it just seemed too big and there seemed to be no true sense of community.
@Cartman.... "home"... nice word for Dtoid! :)
@Randy... "cross publishing" - a good term for it, and yeah, it does seem rude, impolite... just somehow wrong.
I guess most of us started out somewhere else... but it just seems that if people want to actually benefit from Dtoid that they actually have to jump in and really participate - either by writing, commenting or just showing up for the gaming (I'm actually surprised how many Dtoid members I play online games with, but don't as often see them on Dtoid itself... because they're too busy gaming!). Those that want us to buy their game or their website or whatever... they're just wasting my time and their time. :(
@copilotlindy... I was actually thinking about your last blog when I wrote this one... though in a good way (when I mentioned how the "unprofessional" blogs are of more interest to me). I really enjoyed your recent blog of pictures of you and your friends gaming. It made me smile and reminded me of the fun times I have with small groups of friends when gaming. It's blogs like that which make Dtoid so unique and fun!
So I write here (and honestly only here) because while there's an established community there's also a sense of editorial direction that I usually get from the magazine. I think I really felt like I was part of something when I made it to the front page and it was during a time when I was considering doing a Masters in Interactive Journalism.
Long story short here, I feel like I'm learning more from blogging on Destructoid that I put the MA on the back burner. I don't know if you've noticed, but I kind of set myself goals with this site. I set an identity with a series, worked hard for my front page stuff and get involved in discussions.
It's just pointless spreading yourself around because there's no commitment and selfishly phishing for a stepping stone audience. That's one reason why I don't whore out the magazine I write for (it stays on my CV, thanks).
My God, it looks quite obvious that I want a contributor job at Destructoid now.
Also, how come I'm not on your friends list, missy? You love my stuff! (Pssst...cheque might bounce this week *wink*)
Also, thanks for the tip about not picking the ol' nose on first dates. I was wondering why Cecilia never came back from the restaurant bathroom. And Janine. And Shelly. And Abernathy. And Natalie.
And Jane and Samantha and Miriam. And Jessica, Paula, Pixie, Kate, Jeanne, Ellie, Amy, Mary, Belle, Yvonne and Joanna.
I'm of two minds here. On the one hand, I want to support anyone trying to add something to the world, so I don't want to write off bloggers just because their words found their way onto a couple of sites. The ideas and effort in the writing are still there.
On the other hand or mind or whatever figure of speech we've mangled, it does feel almost disdainful to throw what you've got in the faces of everyone you can reach. Pick an audience and promote your relationship, or at least adapt the work to whoever's reading it.
Dead links to another other blog is a lethal dose of fail though.
I have specific things I want to say coherently and persuasively about games, and the critique and encouragement I get from the cblog community helps me to do it better. I swear that I've learned more in a month participating here than I would have through a year of trial and error running my own site.
At the same time, the cblogs give you the feel of running your own site -- customizable header and profile space, and the freedom to express yourself as you see fit (within reason and without sucking). There's lots of other well-done content to enjoy and learn from, and as you mentioned, a steady stream of traffic outside your "storefront".
I can be serious or laid-back or cheesy/goofy as the mood strikes me. Best of both worlds, IMO. I started off blogging by taking 6 months to set-up my own site. I spent a short month writing here before I realized I was wasting my time there!
Elsa's rants are the best. Iron fist + velvet glove = people lining up to take their lumps.
Now that I've spent some time here, I can say that what you're saying makes 100% sense. HOWEVER I do have a non-website-related project that I'm going to promote the shit out of pretty soon, because I really want the input of all the Destructoid people that I've come to appreciate and respect. So don't stab me when that happens, please?!
Thankfully, you have something to say. Keep "ritin." It will pay off one day...
Yeah, I think that there is real opportunity for people here at Dtoid and I love that they front page blogs (again, making everyone feel like they could be a "videa game journalist" rather than just the actual feature writers).
... "interactive" journalism? What's that? It sounds like something more forward thinking than the usual "I write stuff... you read it and comment on my brilliance or call me nasty names" stuff. I like the "interactive" word and hope it means more than just "web based".
@Handy... ditto! I feel the way about my own stuff.... in fact I'm thinking of changing my header from "Elsa's Blog" - which sounds too high brow, to something more like "Elsa's Adventure's in gaming" or "Diary of a gaming housewife ... or just " shit I write". :)
@The Faux-bot... it's totally ok to do most anything here... I'm just talking about my own preferences and feelings. I have no problem with people having a link to other sites they write for on their profile.... or links to games they are making, or corporate websites... or links to funny cat videos. In fact, the profile is the perfect place for that kind of stuff! :)
@Xandaca... I actually have your most recent blog open in another link and started reading it, but haven't found time to finish it yet. Writing for Gamasutra and writing for Dtoid seems to be addressing two fairly different audiences and for a writer I would think it would be a good exercise to address the same topic in two different ways. I've never noted you whoring your wares... or picking your nose either! LOL!
@Beyamor... of course you're famous dah'ling!! ... though the paparazzi must have been ever so annoying for you during that pregnancy scandal!
"Pick an audience and promote your relationship, or at least adapt the work to whoever's reading it." < this!
@Sean... damn you! It's people like you being so damn good that has brought all the wannabe's out of the woodwork! You speak truth though... Dtoid is like having your own store.. on a busy street with lots of traffic! I just prefer to shop at stores offering something unique and different rather than chain stores. :)
@fetusmilk... LOL!
@Mark... that's more than famous enough for me! :)
@beverly... speaking of "unique and different" I'm so glad you sent me that note about something I'd written... with that link to something you'd written. I could see right away that you had a unique and fun writing voice... and I'm so glad you brought it to Dtoid! I'm sure that anything you come up with will not be boring! (and I would never stab.... though I would be honest and may have to poke you with a fork if needed!) :)
@Ace... probably true... but at least I got my feelings of pent up rage out!
... I feel much better now. :)
@Gameboi... yeah, I do get a fair number of comments/faps on my blogs. I'm pretty sure it's not due to my incredible writing talents, and some of it could be the whole "it's a GIRL" thing - but I tend to attribute most of it to "name recognition". I'm a bored housewife who tries (not always successfully) to restrain her gaming to the evening hours... so I read a lot and comment a lot on the c-blogs. I think people just recognize my name from comments on their blogs and I surreptiously "guilt" them into commenting on my blogs! LOL!
@Aurain... yes, I do. The forums still scare me but I'm active on a few threads now! (me wuvs MAG!)
@Kabuto... yeah... 3 sandwiches!!... and toasted or grilled, none of that "make em up in advance and stick em in the fridge" stuff!
Did you time travel to Victorian England to go on a blind date. Also, that name rocks.
However, the times, they are a changin'. Particularly for journalists, thanks to the rise of digital (and particularly FREE) publication. Print is less and less popular, but people are veeeeery sloooow at realising you can't do things the same way on the internet that you do in a magazine or a newspaper. Nobody wants to read - or worse, pay to read - your news about the thing that happened because they've already seen it on a thousand other sites.
UNLESS you're rather charismatic and write sexy words. And you identify with your audience (which means actually interacting with them, uh oh). Get people to come for the words and the personality as much as the content. That's what makes Destructoid rather spiffy compared to other gaming sites: I actually enjoy the act of reading the articles instead of just osmosing information.
And as a person who writes for a few publications and (sometimes) gets paid for it, I can say that playing video games for work purposes is everything it is cracked up to be - i.e. socks-off awesome.
Even if you just describe what you're linking to with something that supplements it. Something.
Or else GTFO.
Personally, I cross-post. I have my own private gaming blog on Blogger, but I post some of those posts here as well, because I know that, at the moment, I'm more likely to be read here than on some currently unknown island in the middle of the Internet.
In the end, it's all about content. If you write quality stuff, then all you need is for that one right person to read it, or to write that one piece that serves as a great sample writing for a potential employer. Write good stuff (anywhere, really), promote yourself without being a dick, apply where you can, and hopefully you'll hit something. That's all a person can do.
I don't pretend to be great or anything. I just do it to make myself happy and to better myself as a writer. I think that's the key. If you try too hard to be a professional and to mimic professionals, you're probably not going to give off the right vibe. Just enjoy yourself, whatever that looks like. The most memorable writers are the unique ones who just enjoy what they do. (Nex, anyone? Amirite, old-timers?)
I'm not saying it's not possible. C-blogs do show up on Google and do turn up sometimes. Hell, Kotaku once linked to one of my c-blogs. I'm just saying that it's not the norm, and you probably shouldn't count on it leading anywhere on its own. (Outside of landing a job on Destructoid, that is. That's probably the most likely thing to come out of it.)
Also, I am commenting way too much on this post. :)
@Occams... my grandma's name was "Mabel"... never hear that name any more either! :)
@Matt... bzzzz... sorry... fail. Yeah, you're the type of guy I'm talking about. Shit or get off the pot. Your blog is all about your "other" site. If you want to be famous then jump in and try doing it here - or there. Otherwise you're just clogging up the c-blogs here. No offense, you're an adorable kid, but I'll be brutally honest - yours is the type of blog I skip right on past and would use an "ignore" feature if Dtoid had one. At the very least you could talk to "us" about stuff you do over "there"... instead of lazy copy/pasta journalism.
@Zwuh... personality.... that and at least letting people think you're talking to them - journalism is changing indeed. With the internet a much more personal approach is needed, not "one size fits all".
@Smurfee... what you said.
@Sharpless... I think that part of my point is that "community blogs" may well be the future of games journalism rather than an individual voice. Dtoid may actually have it right. I would assume that advertising pays the bills and advertisers would likely want to go to where the people are. In the not too distant future, the "people" may not be following any particular writer, but may be participating on sites rather than just reading them - a more organized and intelligent form of the current social networking phenomenon. Statistics are already showing that gamers no longer purchase games based on reviews and previews from sites... but more based on word of mouth from other gamers. It may not be "games journalists" who determine where the advertising dollars go - but rather good website design and management skills that can lend form and function to the masses that provide the content. I can certainly understand people maintaining a portfolio writing site, or even an archive site for their writing... but to promote it on another site just seems crass. It also alienates a portion of the "community" and regardless of any writing skills, in the end it's those people that will determine "fame" regardless of an employer who might hire someone. Having a writing job and having a following are two different things. Having a following is much more difficult to acquire and requires actually knowing and caring about the people you write for.
My opinion only of course... and from the perspective of the person that actually clicked that link to winners on Dtoid's main page - a consumer.
So I gave it up to refine my writing on Destructoid in my spare time, even though I got accepted with a scholarship.
Silly me!
I got to disagree. My first front page got a total of 10K views (which is the honest truth and even shocking for me). I also found it being linked and discussed by other people on a Nintendo website. Yes, a majority of c-blogs don't get a look in, but a well written promoted article does. If you put in the effort and quality then more than a couple of regulars will eventually read it.
Writing? Not so much.
Even if you just describe what you're linking to with something that supplements it. Something. Or else GTFO.[/i]
@smurfee mcgee: That seems unnecessarily harsh. If he's written something he's proud of and wants to bring it here, there's no reason for him not too. I can sort of understand why people don't like C+Pers, but it doesn't do any harm if the material is good and he shows some interest in being part of the community by reading and commenting on other people's stuff as well as contributing his own. If you'd enjoyed his articles without knowing they were taken from elsewhere, would it make them any less good or have given you any less pleasure were you to discover that information? Someone might like having a blog as a preservation of their writing in its own space, then bring it here where people will (sometimes) actually read it. If their presence and writing makes this community better, does it really matter if it also exists elsewhere?
Anyway, I'm safe as I write my posts for DToid first and then only C+P onto Gamasutra if I think they're suitable. Just thought I'd point that out in case smurfee was making a death list.
@Elsa: I try and keep my nose picking subtle but I get the feeling it doesn't always work. Maybe I'll ask Floella when she gets back from the bathroom.
@Occams: Abernathy is indeed a marvellous name. I was delighted when it popped up in Tarantino's Death Proof.