I really can't stand trolling, mostly because I can never really tell if I'm being baited or not, and I love to defend stuff I like.
Good read. :D
Good read. :D
"Poke him with a stick... taunt him a few times to see him puff up and do his little troll dance."
Sentence of the day.
Great blog Elsa!
Sentence of the day.
Great blog Elsa!
Great post! You make some excellent points with many lulz along the way! :D
Also, "They have a cave troll!"

Also, "They have a cave troll!"

It is so difficult to resist the urge to feed the trolls. Sometimes, you just want to jump in with the community and poke fun at/hijack the troll's blog or thread.
It would be nice if trolls could be separated from the rest of the community, where volunteer members could adopt them, as you suggest. Until the troll can prove they can put a coherent thought together without angering others and that they will not become a general nuisance, they are barred from joining the community. If they choose not to participate in this adoption process, they're kicked out on their hairy ass.
It would be nice if trolls could be separated from the rest of the community, where volunteer members could adopt them, as you suggest. Until the troll can prove they can put a coherent thought together without angering others and that they will not become a general nuisance, they are barred from joining the community. If they choose not to participate in this adoption process, they're kicked out on their hairy ass.
Sign me up!
So many great lines in this one. I feel like this would be a good addition to the weekly musings, as it certainly relates to how our online communities can be better. Like you say, we'll never get rid of the terrible trolls, so how do we manage them? By shaping the minor trolls into great community members and turning our backs on the incorrigible ones. Great sentiments.
So many great lines in this one. I feel like this would be a good addition to the weekly musings, as it certainly relates to how our online communities can be better. Like you say, we'll never get rid of the terrible trolls, so how do we manage them? By shaping the minor trolls into great community members and turning our backs on the incorrigible ones. Great sentiments.
It would be great if Hamza gave trolls a troll avatar as a warning before they get banned. That would aid the sport of troll hunting as we would know exactly who is walking the fine line ^_^
@Kauza... actually this started out as a weekly musing, but it kind of evolved into something more humorous and less serious.
I do like the blogjacking that is often done on "bad" blogs... the Kurt Russel pictures and other things that people do that provide a sense of fun and entertainment - I just think that this should be done to adoptable trolls (which it often is) and that somewhere in amongst the fun someone should mention the error of their ways and how they can correct it.
Essentially, we all have to take responsibility... but there's nothing wrong with feeding the right kind of trolls. They often turn out to be nice people. With the really bad trolls I guess we just each have to take the responsibility of not commenting - of moving on and finding one of those adoptable trolls to feed.
I do like the blogjacking that is often done on "bad" blogs... the Kurt Russel pictures and other things that people do that provide a sense of fun and entertainment - I just think that this should be done to adoptable trolls (which it often is) and that somewhere in amongst the fun someone should mention the error of their ways and how they can correct it.
Essentially, we all have to take responsibility... but there's nothing wrong with feeding the right kind of trolls. They often turn out to be nice people. With the really bad trolls I guess we just each have to take the responsibility of not commenting - of moving on and finding one of those adoptable trolls to feed.
I like celicacrazed's idea.
I'll just continue ignoring trolls like I've always been doing. It really isn't as hard as everyone makes it seem.
And, no, I don't have any money to donate to your foundation XD.
I'll just continue ignoring trolls like I've always been doing. It really isn't as hard as everyone makes it seem.
And, no, I don't have any money to donate to your foundation XD.
I really enjoyed your blog mademoiselle. :)
Your approach to trolling is almost a direct opposite of mine. You take on a more Motherly role, wanting to look after them and mould them into potentially decent decent human beings. My role is typically that of a reluctant father I guess. I like to yell abuse at the little toerags and kick their sorry asses outside as soon as they step outta line. "It's the only way they'll learn" I huff and puff.
Your argument did make a lot of sense though and I shall take it on board and file it under important. I just can't help myself sometimes.
Your approach to trolling is almost a direct opposite of mine. You take on a more Motherly role, wanting to look after them and mould them into potentially decent decent human beings. My role is typically that of a reluctant father I guess. I like to yell abuse at the little toerags and kick their sorry asses outside as soon as they step outta line. "It's the only way they'll learn" I huff and puff.
Your argument did make a lot of sense though and I shall take it on board and file it under important. I just can't help myself sometimes.
I like Celicacrazed idea. It would also alleviate the community's worries that the troll will go on trolling for months on end.
A "secret" warning won't do much to calm people down.
A "secret" warning won't do much to calm people down.
@ Celicacrazed and Magnalon, I actually keep a dtoid troll picture on hand at all times. Spread the love guys.


FUCK YOU WALKYOURPATH YOU STOLE MY FUCKING IDEA WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO PUT NOW I WAS SO EXCITED TO MAKE AN ARAGORN REFERENCE AND THEN I FIND YOU RUINED IT
@Silverdragon... but I just bagged me a nice plump troll! He's roasting over the pit and I was planning on a basting with a nice barbeque sauce and making you a roasted troll sandwich.... but if you don't want it...
:(
Regarding Celica's idea... I like it, but it unfortunately won't work with determined trolls like the "kevin and Kell" troll who simply creates a new user name each time he posts. Also some trolls train up rather quickly... and I don't know that it's fair to mark them with a troll icon when they've already started to adapt to their new habitat in a positive manner. The more serious trolls are usually banned fairly quickly - but again, it's the IP spoofing and new ID's that are the problem and I just don't know that an icon would actually work. :(
Uber Mashu... "motherly" LOL! I have no kids and am not particularly a good influence on kids... but I sometimes do get accused of being motherly - though sometimes I think people are just using a nicer word for "controlling"! :)
Zodiac... right click and saved! Love it!
Tag em and bag em! We have a live one! Thanks so much Cartman! I was waiting for a nice ole troll comment! It just gives me the warm fuzzies! :)
:(
Regarding Celica's idea... I like it, but it unfortunately won't work with determined trolls like the "kevin and Kell" troll who simply creates a new user name each time he posts. Also some trolls train up rather quickly... and I don't know that it's fair to mark them with a troll icon when they've already started to adapt to their new habitat in a positive manner. The more serious trolls are usually banned fairly quickly - but again, it's the IP spoofing and new ID's that are the problem and I just don't know that an icon would actually work. :(
Uber Mashu... "motherly" LOL! I have no kids and am not particularly a good influence on kids... but I sometimes do get accused of being motherly - though sometimes I think people are just using a nicer word for "controlling"! :)
Zodiac... right click and saved! Love it!
Tag em and bag em! We have a live one! Thanks so much Cartman! I was waiting for a nice ole troll comment! It just gives me the warm fuzzies! :)
Great article! really good stuff up there, but I can't help ask some questions about this:
how do you judge a person from being normal blogger or a troll?
how do you diffirintiate trolls from fanboys? or are both in the same class?
If someone calls someone a troll, does this automatically makes the accused a troll? how do you know if the person who accused the other is not a troll him self?
The deeper the reasoning to judge someone to being a troll or not is the same as a soldier in Iraq differentiating between normal people, terrorist or freedom fighters. What I am trying to say is sometimes things are not so easy to tell because what happens when someone (like me for example) like to point out some points, and more than likely I could get 2 things:
a) Hate train that doesn't stop and everyone jumps aboard! and everyone in this nice little choo choo likes to call X person a troll, does this mean he is a troll because a large mass joined against a single fellow?
b) Agree with the different views and continue to make a good argument about discarding fanaticism aside.
Bloggers who pick a) are no different than the pilgrims in the Crucible, who call them self magistrates who prosecute those who were simply called "Witches".
So anyways, I think my senseless rant is far 2 long but should bring couple of good arguments to add more hits to Elsa's excellent blog :)
how do you judge a person from being normal blogger or a troll?
how do you diffirintiate trolls from fanboys? or are both in the same class?
If someone calls someone a troll, does this automatically makes the accused a troll? how do you know if the person who accused the other is not a troll him self?
The deeper the reasoning to judge someone to being a troll or not is the same as a soldier in Iraq differentiating between normal people, terrorist or freedom fighters. What I am trying to say is sometimes things are not so easy to tell because what happens when someone (like me for example) like to point out some points, and more than likely I could get 2 things:
a) Hate train that doesn't stop and everyone jumps aboard! and everyone in this nice little choo choo likes to call X person a troll, does this mean he is a troll because a large mass joined against a single fellow?
b) Agree with the different views and continue to make a good argument about discarding fanaticism aside.
Bloggers who pick a) are no different than the pilgrims in the Crucible, who call them self magistrates who prosecute those who were simply called "Witches".
So anyways, I think my senseless rant is far 2 long but should bring couple of good arguments to add more hits to Elsa's excellent blog :)
Crunshii... exactly! Love your comment. We all have to judge for ourselves whether someone is a troll or not. As I noted, some people are labeled trolls... but to my mind they're often just "possible trolls". If you like someone's writing - be it arrogant, a bad 2 sentence intro blog or whatever... adopt them. Feel free to comment, even make suggestions as to making their blogging better. They'll either accept or reject the advice and it's up to them.
... but whenever you comment, you're essentially feeding. This isn't just the trolls, it's really everybody. I think most people like to get comments on their blogs, even if it's just a "good blog" comment. :)
... but whenever you comment, you're essentially feeding. This isn't just the trolls, it's really everybody. I think most people like to get comments on their blogs, even if it's just a "good blog" comment. :)
Great blog. I don't think Celica's idea would work because Trolls would wear their badge with pride. That's the reason they're trolling in the first place. Getting noticed. So that's like adding fuel to the fire. Oh whatever, I'm way to serious about this whole thing. But I do support Crunshii's questions.
One final thought.* I think counter-trolls are even worse. What? I don't know. Bad choice of words. I mean people that would show everybody how they've adopted a troll. "Look how good of a person I am, I've adopted this troll and showed him the path to internet heaven." Those guys/girls do more damage to a community than trolls do. You forget most trolls the day after they got banned. And if not, they had something special going on. Either really good at trolling or actually kind of trolling in a fun way. We all know a few a those. The Saints stay forever and keep sucking dicks and showing how good they are to the community. And while you can't do anything about them you really want to see them leave because they make your blood boil. Trolls usually stay in their own cave (blog). And as long as they stay in said cave it wouldn't really be a problem because you can choose to not enter their cave. But if you enter the cave... You asked for it. The vile stench of the innards will immediately overwhelm you and if you don't get out quickly you will soon evolve and become one of them. If they do get out they turn to stone by the sun (the holy light that shines on Dtoid) or get stoned by the community. But Saints are usually everywhere trying to shove their internet bibles through your throat. Telling you how what sort of behavior will get you to heaven. And guess what? I think heaven is a bloody boring place. I'd rather go to hell.
Or live in a cave...
Amen.
Bloody long final thought you had there Takeshi. You sure you're feeling good and all? I've got this Internet Bible here, you might want to readAAAAAAaaaargh!!!
One final thought.* I think counter-trolls are even worse. What? I don't know. Bad choice of words. I mean people that would show everybody how they've adopted a troll. "Look how good of a person I am, I've adopted this troll and showed him the path to internet heaven." Those guys/girls do more damage to a community than trolls do. You forget most trolls the day after they got banned. And if not, they had something special going on. Either really good at trolling or actually kind of trolling in a fun way. We all know a few a those. The Saints stay forever and keep sucking dicks and showing how good they are to the community. And while you can't do anything about them you really want to see them leave because they make your blood boil. Trolls usually stay in their own cave (blog). And as long as they stay in said cave it wouldn't really be a problem because you can choose to not enter their cave. But if you enter the cave... You asked for it. The vile stench of the innards will immediately overwhelm you and if you don't get out quickly you will soon evolve and become one of them. If they do get out they turn to stone by the sun (the holy light that shines on Dtoid) or get stoned by the community. But Saints are usually everywhere trying to shove their internet bibles through your throat. Telling you how what sort of behavior will get you to heaven. And guess what? I think heaven is a bloody boring place. I'd rather go to hell.
Or live in a cave...
Amen.
Bloody long final thought you had there Takeshi. You sure you're feeling good and all? I've got this Internet Bible here, you might want to readAAAAAAaaaargh!!!
I always feel trolls are as good as the number of laughs they get from me. If a troll is being a dick, unless he's being a Dave Attel kind of dick, then he's just annoying. If he provides a hilarious insight into something via the stupidest but most hilarious comments ever, he wins.
I once read a blog elsewhere where someone wrote about the state of the US economy when the recession began. But if was OBVIOUS that he had no idea what he was talking about, so he just threw together a bunch of hysterical bitching rants and other useless points, which not only was the funniest things I ever read, but made it to the front page of digg.
In summary - if troll skills:comedy is near 1, then your troll skills are valid.
I once read a blog elsewhere where someone wrote about the state of the US economy when the recession began. But if was OBVIOUS that he had no idea what he was talking about, so he just threw together a bunch of hysterical bitching rants and other useless points, which not only was the funniest things I ever read, but made it to the front page of digg.
In summary - if troll skills:comedy is near 1, then your troll skills are valid.
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So many great lines in this one. I feel like this would be a good addition to the weekly musings, as it certainly relates to how our online communities can be better. Like you say, we'll <a href="http://moviephilia.com/2011/watch-green-lantern-online/">Watch Green Lantern Online</a> never get rid of the terrible trolls, so how do we manage them? By shaping the minor trolls into great community members and turning our backs on the incorrigible ones. Great sentiments.
So many great lines in this one. I feel like this would be a good addition to the weekly musings, as it certainly relates to how our online communities can be better. Like you say, we'll Watch Green Lantern Online never get rid of the terrible trolls, so how do we manage them? By shaping the minor trolls into great community members and turning our backs on the incorrigible ones. Great sentiments.

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