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Yes, troll hunting and elimination has become a popular and time consuming sport in most internet communities. I've often expressed my general feelings on trolls, and secretly have a bit of an affection for the underdog troll, and I feel one should also look at some of the positive purposes that trolls can serve. 1) They break up the monotony of "good" reading. When all the blogs or comments are "good" then it can become a bit boring. When someone comes along with a personal attack, an outrageously stupid comment, or a blog meant to incite - then admit it... don't you watch that thread? Don't you sit back, grab a bag of popcorn and wait for the fireworks? It's entertainment. 2) They instill a sense of superiority. When you see a pitifully poor blog, don't you suddenly feel like the best blogger in the world? Even if you can manage to string together two paragraphs and use a spell checker - you, yes you, are superior. No need to compete with those long, well formulated blogs that will likely get promoted to the front page... the bar has been lowered and suddenly everyone has moved up the food chain. 3) They can help bond the community together. When an obvious troll goes on the attack with a "Destrucoid sucks" blog or comment, there is a stronger feeling of community as everyone pulls out the pitchforks, fires up their torches... and the villagers march as one in defense of their home. 4) They provide an aggression outlet. We all have those bad hair days. Those days when you just want to kick a puppy - and look! - there's a handy troll! Poke him with a stick... taunt him a few times to see him puff up and do his little troll dance. Feels better doesn't it! When these random idiot trolls aren't available, members have been known to turn on their own - never a good thing even if they kiss and make up later. The tensions are often still there and the community has been breached. Trolls inadvertently provide a handy target for those aggressions. So yes, trolls do add a certain "spice" to internet life and to online communities. They keep things interesting, they keep the bar a little lower so we can feel good about ourselves and they draw a community closer together. The problems of course occur with persistent trolls or with the bigger, stronger, smellier "breeding" stock of trolls - those that can grow into an annoying troll horde. While moderation can be helpful in banning these bigger trolls and sending them off to live in other online habitats, they often find their way back - and we all know the answer - the answer of course is not to feed them. Yes, it's hard not to feed the trolls. They're obvious and annoying as they loudly stamp their big hairy feet, whining and crying in their quest for attention, and it's difficult to resist the urge to whack them over the head ... but resist we must! There are two proven methods of human resistance... the first involves screaming into a pillow, the second involves furious typing into notepad with a mandatory internet disconnection. Should neither of these methods work, be aware that you are growing hairy and developing a pungently offensive odor and risk turning into a troll yourself. Trolls exude a strong unpleasant odor. When reading a blog or comment, if you feel your nose wrinkling and go "ewww"... chances are strong you have encountered a Troll. If you smell no odor and on reading a blog your first instinct is to respond with profanity or a dissertation about how the author is wrong (and the likelihood that their mother was unmarried at the time of their birth), then you may in fact be morphing into a Troll yourself. Once you get hairy feet and become a troll, the original troll has successfully bred (yes, you've been screwed) and the trolls are winning. It really all comes down to common sense and an adage I've always preached... If you feed a troll, you have to adopt it. The smaller, weaker trolls are delicate creatures. When encountering one of these smaller trolls, approach with caution as they have been known to bite! Any sudden motions or posts may startle the little troll and cause a rise in aggressive behavior, so try to keep quiet and simply observe the troll as it plays with itself! (double entendre intended!). If you feel that you can train the troll, then feel free to offer it a tidbit if you want to adopt it and have it to follow you home. Many of these smaller trolls are actually inadvertent trolls. They don't actually know that they are trolls. They just jump into a community and may see large comment numbers on one paragraph blogs filled with bad spelling and grammar and so they follow the popular samples. They may have a unique way of writing that can initially come across as arrogant, elitist or pretentious. They may not understand the difference between a blog post and a forum post. They may have a distinct console bias (which doesn't mean that they are trying to create a flame war or "hate" the other console... just that they really like their console choice). They may even be a resident troll... someone some people just love to hate. They may be young, English may not be their first language, or they might be old and senile like myself. While many of these smaller trolls may never produce a decent blog worthy of the front page - many might turn out to be fun people to game with that contribute to the community in other ways. These are often potentially adoptable trolls.
Now when you feed a troll and adopt it by making a comment, it will usually do one of two things, it will quickly learn the unwritten house rules and may gradually train itself into a valued community member... or it may bite the hand that fed it and may even go on a rampage for more food. This often manifests itself in the "everybody hates me" blog or the "I hate everybody" blog. They might then proceed to publicly and proudly belch, fart, burp and leave their little piles of crap scattered throughout the community. Just remember that if you adopted this troll, this is now your responsibility! You now have to cut off it's food supply and hope it will move on in search of food elsewhere. You have to withhold comments! So in conclusion, consider adopting a troll! Many of the smaller trolls have very human-like feelings. Handle them with care and they may turn out to be a wonderful asset to the community in some form. With the larger, smellier trolls who's only purpose is to advertise some god-awful comic strip, or incite wrath through personal attacks or aggressive attention-whoring - these trolls are wild, feral - unadoptable. Don't feed them and keep your distance! Get to know the difference. No community is truly complete without a few random trolls, but one has to be wary and avoid the rabid, feral trolls. Please feel free to sign up for some of our courses on the "Care and Training of your Troll" Some of the workshops offered include: "Taking your Troll out in Public" - what you can expect, special precautions to take, safety and legal requirements (yes, the troll muzzle is still a requirement). "Dressing your Troll" - a fashion show with some adorable lil troll outfits, muzzles and harnasses! Cute hats that hide the face and fashion friendly outfits that hide those diaper lines! "Letting your Troll play with other Trolls" - a lively discussion is to be expected regarding the use of foam toys and the most effective use of pepper spray or firehose control methods." Sign up now!
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Good read. :D
Sentence of the day.
Great blog Elsa!
Also, "They have a cave troll!"
It would be nice if trolls could be separated from the rest of the community, where volunteer members could adopt them, as you suggest. Until the troll can prove they can put a coherent thought together without angering others and that they will not become a general nuisance, they are barred from joining the community. If they choose not to participate in this adoption process, they're kicked out on their hairy ass.
Now go make me a sandwich please, and hold the trolls! :-)
So many great lines in this one. I feel like this would be a good addition to the weekly musings, as it certainly relates to how our online communities can be better. Like you say, we'll never get rid of the terrible trolls, so how do we manage them? By shaping the minor trolls into great community members and turning our backs on the incorrigible ones. Great sentiments.
I do like the blogjacking that is often done on "bad" blogs... the Kurt Russel pictures and other things that people do that provide a sense of fun and entertainment - I just think that this should be done to adoptable trolls (which it often is) and that somewhere in amongst the fun someone should mention the error of their ways and how they can correct it.
Essentially, we all have to take responsibility... but there's nothing wrong with feeding the right kind of trolls. They often turn out to be nice people. With the really bad trolls I guess we just each have to take the responsibility of not commenting - of moving on and finding one of those adoptable trolls to feed.
I'll just continue ignoring trolls like I've always been doing. It really isn't as hard as everyone makes it seem.
And, no, I don't have any money to donate to your foundation XD.
Your approach to trolling is almost a direct opposite of mine. You take on a more Motherly role, wanting to look after them and mould them into potentially decent decent human beings. My role is typically that of a reluctant father I guess. I like to yell abuse at the little toerags and kick their sorry asses outside as soon as they step outta line. "It's the only way they'll learn" I huff and puff.
Your argument did make a lot of sense though and I shall take it on board and file it under important. I just can't help myself sometimes.
A "secret" warning won't do much to calm people down.
Adopt me.
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Regarding Celica's idea... I like it, but it unfortunately won't work with determined trolls like the "kevin and Kell" troll who simply creates a new user name each time he posts. Also some trolls train up rather quickly... and I don't know that it's fair to mark them with a troll icon when they've already started to adapt to their new habitat in a positive manner. The more serious trolls are usually banned fairly quickly - but again, it's the IP spoofing and new ID's that are the problem and I just don't know that an icon would actually work. :(
Uber Mashu... "motherly" LOL! I have no kids and am not particularly a good influence on kids... but I sometimes do get accused of being motherly - though sometimes I think people are just using a nicer word for "controlling"! :)
Zodiac... right click and saved! Love it!
Tag em and bag em! We have a live one! Thanks so much Cartman! I was waiting for a nice ole troll comment! It just gives me the warm fuzzies! :)
how do you judge a person from being normal blogger or a troll?
how do you diffirintiate trolls from fanboys? or are both in the same class?
If someone calls someone a troll, does this automatically makes the accused a troll? how do you know if the person who accused the other is not a troll him self?
The deeper the reasoning to judge someone to being a troll or not is the same as a soldier in Iraq differentiating between normal people, terrorist or freedom fighters. What I am trying to say is sometimes things are not so easy to tell because what happens when someone (like me for example) like to point out some points, and more than likely I could get 2 things:
a) Hate train that doesn't stop and everyone jumps aboard! and everyone in this nice little choo choo likes to call X person a troll, does this mean he is a troll because a large mass joined against a single fellow?
b) Agree with the different views and continue to make a good argument about discarding fanaticism aside.
Bloggers who pick a) are no different than the pilgrims in the Crucible, who call them self magistrates who prosecute those who were simply called "Witches".
So anyways, I think my senseless rant is far 2 long but should bring couple of good arguments to add more hits to Elsa's excellent blog :)
... but whenever you comment, you're essentially feeding. This isn't just the trolls, it's really everybody. I think most people like to get comments on their blogs, even if it's just a "good blog" comment. :)
One final thought.* I think counter-trolls are even worse. What? I don't know. Bad choice of words. I mean people that would show everybody how they've adopted a troll. "Look how good of a person I am, I've adopted this troll and showed him the path to internet heaven." Those guys/girls do more damage to a community than trolls do. You forget most trolls the day after they got banned. And if not, they had something special going on. Either really good at trolling or actually kind of trolling in a fun way. We all know a few a those. The Saints stay forever and keep sucking dicks and showing how good they are to the community. And while you can't do anything about them you really want to see them leave because they make your blood boil. Trolls usually stay in their own cave (blog). And as long as they stay in said cave it wouldn't really be a problem because you can choose to not enter their cave. But if you enter the cave... You asked for it. The vile stench of the innards will immediately overwhelm you and if you don't get out quickly you will soon evolve and become one of them. If they do get out they turn to stone by the sun (the holy light that shines on Dtoid) or get stoned by the community. But Saints are usually everywhere trying to shove their internet bibles through your throat. Telling you how what sort of behavior will get you to heaven. And guess what? I think heaven is a bloody boring place. I'd rather go to hell.
Or live in a cave...
Amen.
Bloody long final thought you had there Takeshi. You sure you're feeling good and all? I've got this Internet Bible here, you might want to readAAAAAAaaaargh!!!
I once read a blog elsewhere where someone wrote about the state of the US economy when the recession began. But if was OBVIOUS that he had no idea what he was talking about, so he just threw together a bunch of hysterical bitching rants and other useless points, which not only was the funniest things I ever read, but made it to the front page of digg.
In summary - if troll skills:comedy is near 1, then your troll skills are valid.
Trolls bring back fond IRC memories :D