Elsa shotgunned me in the face in Killzone 2. That's when I realized that she can operate a PS3 controller. :D
Good read and good times on K2 in our last PS3 FNF. We all had a blast.
Good read and good times on K2 in our last PS3 FNF. We all had a blast.
During Burning Crusade in WoW, I was in a guild that raided with, I'd say, more female players than the average guild. We didn't however, have the numbers and often had to fill one or two slots with whoever we could find.
Oh. My. God. Some of these people! We stopped inviting them to Vet after a while because the arassment, whether sexual or abusive, was a constant theme.
One individual,I recall, described his 'rape fantasy' in excruciating duty to one of our priests. Needless to say he was quickly replaced.
Such anecdotes, though funny at first glance, fully explain why a lot of female players do not use voice chat in games or otherwise reveal their gender.
Oh. My. God. Some of these people! We stopped inviting them to Vet after a while because the arassment, whether sexual or abusive, was a constant theme.
One individual,I recall, described his 'rape fantasy' in excruciating duty to one of our priests. Needless to say he was quickly replaced.
Such anecdotes, though funny at first glance, fully explain why a lot of female players do not use voice chat in games or otherwise reveal their gender.
@Y0jimb0... yeah, I only caught the one game, it's too bad about the time zone differences, it seems like a really great group of people that were playing! :)
@Tavendale... and that's why it's important for females to realize that it's not personal. Some gamers (not always guys) are just idiots. It's unfortunate that it only takes one asshole to ruin the game... but the key is to be persistent, find a good group of people to game with - and that while this type of thing happens, you just have to grow a thick skin and develop a sense of humour about it.
@Tavendale... and that's why it's important for females to realize that it's not personal. Some gamers (not always guys) are just idiots. It's unfortunate that it only takes one asshole to ruin the game... but the key is to be persistent, find a good group of people to game with - and that while this type of thing happens, you just have to grow a thick skin and develop a sense of humour about it.
I don't want to start a war or anything here, but going from, say Halo, SOCOM, Killzone, etc, to an FPS on steam is night and day in terms of male/female interaction.
One girl went to a TF2 server i was on, and did the giggle/I'm a girll1111!1!111!/oh my god i liek totally died! thing. She was completely and utterly ignored. Nobody cared that she was a girl, and she was muted by an admin pretty much straight away.
I think a key thing for any gamer, really, is to find a group that is fun to play with, and do that. My first microsoft Live experience was Vegas 2, and I was inundated with swearing twelve year olds, screaming that I was 'cheating' because I sniped the same guy three times in a row. Later, I was kicked from a server for not dying, because I managed to grenade someone over and over.
Later, I was in a SOCOM game with two, count em, two 8 year old kids. It was the most sad thing I've ever witnessed, as the things they said, and the fact they actually told the whole server their age and names showed a distinct lack of parental supervision, or hell, caring.
So anyway, yes, it can be tough for women to break into any genre, but FPS gaming is often the most unforgiving. This list is a good start, but I'd simply add that you find a server/group that shows a maturity level that you enjoy, and play there/with them.
One girl went to a TF2 server i was on, and did the giggle/I'm a girll1111!1!111!/oh my god i liek totally died! thing. She was completely and utterly ignored. Nobody cared that she was a girl, and she was muted by an admin pretty much straight away.
I think a key thing for any gamer, really, is to find a group that is fun to play with, and do that. My first microsoft Live experience was Vegas 2, and I was inundated with swearing twelve year olds, screaming that I was 'cheating' because I sniped the same guy three times in a row. Later, I was kicked from a server for not dying, because I managed to grenade someone over and over.
Later, I was in a SOCOM game with two, count em, two 8 year old kids. It was the most sad thing I've ever witnessed, as the things they said, and the fact they actually told the whole server their age and names showed a distinct lack of parental supervision, or hell, caring.
So anyway, yes, it can be tough for women to break into any genre, but FPS gaming is often the most unforgiving. This list is a good start, but I'd simply add that you find a server/group that shows a maturity level that you enjoy, and play there/with them.
Damn Elsa, you're becoming my favorite blogger already. You're ability to combine humor with substance and you're unique gaming perspective is just great and really enjoyable to read. You keep this up and I think Niero should offer you a job, fo reals.
I know I sound like a kiss-ass but, I truly mean it, and it has nothing to do with your alleged bewbs, you rock . Go smack your hubby and remind him how lucky he is :)
BTW, can anyone join the FNF Killzone 2 warm-ups if they're not in one of the clans? I'd like to see your 1337 skills in action.
I know I sound like a kiss-ass but, I truly mean it, and it has nothing to do with your alleged bewbs, you rock . Go smack your hubby and remind him how lucky he is :)
BTW, can anyone join the FNF Killzone 2 warm-ups if they're not in one of the clans? I'd like to see your 1337 skills in action.
I really think you'd like one of my friends. A female, a FPS gamer too (PC version, however). She apparently found her current boyfriend through Counterstrike Source...
You could call her girly, and she'd probably tear out your throat with her teeth. It's like pink is scared of her or something. XD
You could call her girly, and she'd probably tear out your throat with her teeth. It's like pink is scared of her or something. XD
LOL I didn't realize Cooking Mama was an FPS now j/k :P
Another good blog. I welcome more women into online shooters. Considering that they would more likely work as a team than most guys, they are greatly needed haha. I can't attack and defend zones on my own *sigh*
Another good blog. I welcome more women into online shooters. Considering that they would more likely work as a team than most guys, they are greatly needed haha. I can't attack and defend zones on my own *sigh*
I have never been too keen of the FPS online communities. I am definitely supportive of female gamers although there seems to be many barriers. Good entry.
Nice blog, full of wit and clever dissection of the nuance of online gaming. In other words, i LOL'D
@Blackhat... yeah, I do fully agree that gaming with a group (like the Dtoiders here) is the best way to start out... though at one point most any gamer will expand beyond the group's weekly games and try gaming on their own. It's then that they'll come across the problems. As you've noted (getting kicked because you're good), guys have their problems too in online FPS gaming - but overall the rewards outweigh the problems!
@Blasto... yeah, anyone who knows the password can join in on the pre-game warm up (though for the later game you have to be in one of the clans). With the time difference I don't know how often I would be able to join in. My skills are pretty average... not average "for a girl"... just average for anyone who plays the game. (and thanks for the compliment that you enjoy my blogs... I do really love to write!)
@Doomsday... LOL!
Magnalon... Killzone 2 is a fun game... but I don't think it will have the staying power of something like Warhawk.
Hey Celica! Yeah, I think once women get into these types of games, they can really enjoy the sense of working as part of a team!
@Hydegff... I haven't played on Xbox live (but I hear the horror stories), but PSN is pretty good. Many of the gaming communities are really friendly (particularly UT3 and other shooter games like Warhawk). While some of the communities are a little higher in the "asshat %", if you find a good group of people to play with, most of the problems can be averted.
@Blasto... yeah, anyone who knows the password can join in on the pre-game warm up (though for the later game you have to be in one of the clans). With the time difference I don't know how often I would be able to join in. My skills are pretty average... not average "for a girl"... just average for anyone who plays the game. (and thanks for the compliment that you enjoy my blogs... I do really love to write!)
@Doomsday... LOL!
Magnalon... Killzone 2 is a fun game... but I don't think it will have the staying power of something like Warhawk.
Hey Celica! Yeah, I think once women get into these types of games, they can really enjoy the sense of working as part of a team!
@Hydegff... I haven't played on Xbox live (but I hear the horror stories), but PSN is pretty good. Many of the gaming communities are really friendly (particularly UT3 and other shooter games like Warhawk). While some of the communities are a little higher in the "asshat %", if you find a good group of people to play with, most of the problems can be averted.
A female gamer telling people NOT to bring attention to it?
Well, carry on. Nice blog :) (wanna meet up & r u hot?)
Well, carry on. Nice blog :) (wanna meet up & r u hot?)
Good blog :) I agree with all your points to be honest. So far on Killzone I haven't actually talked to or played any assholes (except extreme supreme campers who sit in corners the whole match waiting for you to go past). I've also found the whole of the PS3 Dtoid players (and I'm sure the Xbox crowd as well) are really nice people, all have a laugh and nobody is an arseholes.
Keep up the good work :) And what Blasto said. By the way I sent you a PM.
Keep up the good work :) And what Blasto said. By the way I sent you a PM.
You forgot the essential "Don't Fuck With Vince Offer."
Also, people have time to Teabag in Killzone 2?
I thought we were all to busy suicide 'nading ourselves.
Who do you people play with? I need to document this for science.
Also, people have time to Teabag in Killzone 2?
I thought we were all to busy suicide 'nading ourselves.
Who do you people play with? I need to document this for science.
I came in expecting the usual "girl-gamer" attitude, which is when girls act macho for some odd reason. That usually gets the guys around here excited.
But anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by this. A bit unnecessary, but a good read. It's all true.
We're assholes.
But anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by this. A bit unnecessary, but a good read. It's all true.
We're assholes.
As much as there is idiot gamers there are idiot gamer girls , I only saw one non-annoying gamer girl , in TF2 ; all the rest (that I've met) are attention whores , nice to see that there are two decent gamer girls in the world ...
@Naim: Really? I meat plenty on TF2....of course, they're all British....wonder if that has anything to do with it...
@Brainderailment... LOL! :)
Thanks Kris!
@CaffeineKnight... LOL... yeah, that PG comment was definitely sarcasm!
@Zippy... I'll check messages tomorrow (and KZ isn't bad... but it does have it's percentage of asshats)...yeah, the Dtoid crew I saw in that one game seemed really nice!
@Daxelman... Yeah, lots of people tbag in KZ ... depends on the crowd in the various games. I usually play with GAP (Playstation's Gamer Advisory Panel) and I actually run a GAP Warhawk clan (which is full) and a GAP Killzone 2 clan (which has about 45 of us). We usually don't play competitively (though we did participate in the big Warhawk tourney) and we play once a week (Warhawk on Thursdays, KZ on Sundays). I like KZ and usually play more than just once a week... so I tend to just jump into a lot of random games (as I did on Friday after the Dtoid clan warm up)
In all seriousness... as Naim says, there are idiots out there (both male and female) and while I wrote this blog with humour in mind, I think it's also good for females to realize that much of the behaviour in NOT aimed specifically at them being female gamers... it's just, well, general idiocy.
@Naim, you've likely played with many female gamers and never knew they were female. Lots of females use androgynous names and don't talk. Personally I think this is a shame because in a team based game, talking can really make the game much more interesting and fun.
Thanks Kris!
@CaffeineKnight... LOL... yeah, that PG comment was definitely sarcasm!
@Zippy... I'll check messages tomorrow (and KZ isn't bad... but it does have it's percentage of asshats)...yeah, the Dtoid crew I saw in that one game seemed really nice!
@Daxelman... Yeah, lots of people tbag in KZ ... depends on the crowd in the various games. I usually play with GAP (Playstation's Gamer Advisory Panel) and I actually run a GAP Warhawk clan (which is full) and a GAP Killzone 2 clan (which has about 45 of us). We usually don't play competitively (though we did participate in the big Warhawk tourney) and we play once a week (Warhawk on Thursdays, KZ on Sundays). I like KZ and usually play more than just once a week... so I tend to just jump into a lot of random games (as I did on Friday after the Dtoid clan warm up)
In all seriousness... as Naim says, there are idiots out there (both male and female) and while I wrote this blog with humour in mind, I think it's also good for females to realize that much of the behaviour in NOT aimed specifically at them being female gamers... it's just, well, general idiocy.
@Naim, you've likely played with many female gamers and never knew they were female. Lots of females use androgynous names and don't talk. Personally I think this is a shame because in a team based game, talking can really make the game much more interesting and fun.
@Elsa: Personally, I don't meet very many girl gamers, outside of the Arcade and Team Fortress 2, so my general knowledge of behavior of this kind is very shallow, since I manage to get along with the Arcade goer pretty well, and on TF2, everyone's just pretty loose about everything. (Mostly because the 2fort2furious servers house the infamous Team Roomba.)
I do have experience of general idiocy from just regular online play, weather it be Xbox Live or PSN or Steam (Or WoW), but nothing with specific gender. I think I managed fly over that land completely and crash in religious beliefs.
Lucky me. =P
I do have experience of general idiocy from just regular online play, weather it be Xbox Live or PSN or Steam (Or WoW), but nothing with specific gender. I think I managed fly over that land completely and crash in religious beliefs.
Lucky me. =P
@Elsa: But you shouldn't be surprised so many women gamers simply don't say anything and draw attention to themselves. After all, haven't you mentioned yourself that guys tend to hit on you or other females or act differently towards you once they know your gender? It's no wonder they're silent and use neutral names.
Maybe the quiet women are the smart ones. They're STFUAJPGing, which is what we all need to be doing anymore. =P
Maybe the quiet women are the smart ones. They're STFUAJPGing, which is what we all need to be doing anymore. =P
Let me just say, you have a perspective on gaming that is hugely interesting to me. Keep up the good work.
@Doomsday... in some ways those quiet women using gender-neutral nicks ARE the smart ones, however I honestly think that they are also missing out on about half the fun of playing a team based game - which is coordinating with your team. I also think that if female gamers were a bit more visible in gaming that guys would simply pay less attention to them. Right now female gamers are perceived as a novelty ... but I think guys would be VERY surprised to find out just how many of those gender-neutral nick, quiet gamers are actually women.
It's all personal choice... but I don't think that female gamers should feel that they "have to be silent" to avoid harassment. As I've said, it only takes one idiot to ruin a game... but luckily those idiots are a minority.
It's all personal choice... but I don't think that female gamers should feel that they "have to be silent" to avoid harassment. As I've said, it only takes one idiot to ruin a game... but luckily those idiots are a minority.
but how can you play when you're cleaning and cooking my dinner? just joking. good read. now i know what to say to these female gamers, and knowing is half the battle!
I've seen first hand most of the stuff you talked about above in relation to "girl gamers." I'm never one of the guys that ask "are you hot?" The guys that say that have no idea how to act around women in general. I don't say much during a match anyway, unless it relates to something going on, like "sniper just got me, hes up in that tower." When I hear a woman's voice in a match I do take notice, but that's it. I prefer to let someone's skill when playing the game speak for itself. If a woman is on the other team, like you happened to be last Friday night, I do make a little extra effort to try and hunt you down. Maybe because I don't want to be killed by a girl but mostly because I like to spread the bullets around to all genders :) and since vocal female gamers are a little more rare I definitely have to make that extra effort.
LOL Corak... yeah, my chattiness is my downfall in KZ2 with the proximity chat... I'm often broadcasting my position! It's interesting that you say you'll sometimes make an effort to "hunt" down a female gamer... I didn't realize guys did that... but being a gamer first I'm going to use that as an excuse for my KDR! :)
@Hoborg... if I was in a game with you... I doubt you would even notice I was female after a very short period of time!
... part of the purpose of my blog was to say that we're entering a rather male-dominated domain... just as with male gamers entering online FPS games, we females have to adjust to that (though the adjustment might be larger for females). A lot of what happens in a game is not because we're female... it's just the way it is in many FPS games. Guys will t-bag each other, they'll swear, they'll harass and be abusive - not all guys, only a small minority - it's just the way it is.
Regarding a "unique female identity"... I hope not to see one. Female gamers are as diverse as male gamers... in the end, we're all just gamers.
... part of the purpose of my blog was to say that we're entering a rather male-dominated domain... just as with male gamers entering online FPS games, we females have to adjust to that (though the adjustment might be larger for females). A lot of what happens in a game is not because we're female... it's just the way it is in many FPS games. Guys will t-bag each other, they'll swear, they'll harass and be abusive - not all guys, only a small minority - it's just the way it is.
Regarding a "unique female identity"... I hope not to see one. Female gamers are as diverse as male gamers... in the end, we're all just gamers.
Oh... and I should add that I'm sure there are females that will harass and tbag as well... though I haven't met one of those females yet. I do know a lot of female gamers... and most are rather quiet, but that's the nature of their personalities.
Me... I'm rather outspoken... and that's just the nature of mine! :)
Me... I'm rather outspoken... and that's just the nature of mine! :)
Have I mentioned I really love your stuff? Another excellent write-up that is definitely relevant to my interests. I'm starting out on Quake live right now and find it to be a really neat way to work off some stress in 10-15 min intervals.
I'm still pretty terrible, my accuracy is around 18% on a good day, but every so often I pull off a pretty good kill and that makes it all worth it.
I think the biggest problem I have with other girl gamers (mostly from MMO's) is the attention whoring. I usually mention that I'm a girl once in awhile so that I'm not constantly referred to as "dude", or "man" all the time, but otherwise I just play and go with the flow. The chicks who strip their avatars down to their underthings and run around town begging for money, cuz they are girls and need to be taken care of, piss me off. So far it hasn't come up in FPS games, but I'm still pretty new to the whole thing.
I'm still pretty terrible, my accuracy is around 18% on a good day, but every so often I pull off a pretty good kill and that makes it all worth it.
I think the biggest problem I have with other girl gamers (mostly from MMO's) is the attention whoring. I usually mention that I'm a girl once in awhile so that I'm not constantly referred to as "dude", or "man" all the time, but otherwise I just play and go with the flow. The chicks who strip their avatars down to their underthings and run around town begging for money, cuz they are girls and need to be taken care of, piss me off. So far it hasn't come up in FPS games, but I'm still pretty new to the whole thing.
@Zodiac... too cool that you're playing Quake!! I used to do a lot of PC gaming, but I never played any shooter games back then. From what I understand, the game seems a bit similar to Unreal Tournament in that it's a fairly fast game with pick ups/power ups. I really like UT3... the speed is so fast and smooth... it's like dancing!
Don't worry about your accuracy... it will come in time - just have fun! (and many FPS games are very similar, so once you've played one, your skills transfer somewhat when playing another.) PC FPS gamers have been around a long, long time, so you're probably playing against some pretty experienced FPS gamers. I think those of us that play console shooters probably have it a little easier! I figure you're jumping in at the deep end of the pool!
:)
Don't worry about your accuracy... it will come in time - just have fun! (and many FPS games are very similar, so once you've played one, your skills transfer somewhat when playing another.) PC FPS gamers have been around a long, long time, so you're probably playing against some pretty experienced FPS gamers. I think those of us that play console shooters probably have it a little easier! I figure you're jumping in at the deep end of the pool!
:)
internet + anomity + audience = total dickwad.
This explains most people's stupid behaviour on online games
*sigh I wish things could be different.
This explains most people's stupid behaviour on online games
*sigh I wish things could be different.
This was a good artical. Thank you for posting! I'm trying to get some girls into gaming so this looks like it will help.

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