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DryvBy | 3:27 PM on 05.07.2008 22 comments


Just read this communist garbage. I sure hope that if this is passed, people cheat out of protest. A fine for cheating. Screw your EULA, Blizzard. It's a freakin' video game!

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Neonie's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:33
Neonie
"a small company that makes a software bot called Glider that helps WoW players with tedious aspects of character leveling"

LOL. What is the point of playing the game if you don't want to do that?
liquidninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:34
liquidninja
Well, they sure aren't helping their PR.
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:45
Conrad Zimmerman
The potential for very bad things as a result of this extends far beyond that of WoW, though, and it's short-sighted for you to say that it's merely "a freakin' video game".

Should Blizzard win, in the most nightmarish circumstance (which would never in a million years happen, I'd hope), Microsoft could write an new EULA that states the installation any program they don't like would be a violation of their copyright for Windows. This could then be used to force software companies to pay for licensing rights to have their software be acceptable on Windows machines or have their team of lawyers sic 'em. Independent programmers could be completely put out of business, moving us closer and closer to corporate control of our computers.

Again, it's worst case scenario and not really a good way to do business, but it could happen. Regardless, I don't think Blizzard is all that likely to win.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:46
mix
While I see the fine as being steep I hate nothing more than playing an online game with a cheater. If you want to level your character out and give crazt stats...etc that fine. But when I play a game that has bots auto aiming me through walls, or pressing a single button to destroy everying on screen, I am less than happy.

Just need something other than Punk Buster.....i think i threw up when I said that. PB is the reason why 90% of the time you can get online or your game crashes....
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:47
Aaron Mxy Yost
In MMOs, cheaters fuck up the game for other customers. Stopping Glider users is the right thing to do, although this isn't a particularly good way to go about it.
ShawnKelfonne's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:48
ShawnKelfonne
Umm, so don't cheat? I dunno about everyone else, but I usually buy games so I can play them, not so I can have them play themselves for me. (Although Xenosaga may as well have been playing itself at times.)

"Oh man, I'm in the mood to play WoW."
*sets up program and walks away*
"This is awesome!"
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:48
Aerox
This actually makes a lot of sense from Blizzard's perspective.

First of all, I don't believe they're fining the cheaters, they're fining the company that helps people to cheat.

Why?

WoW is a game that requires people to pay a monthly fee to play. If cheating becomes rampant, players will end up doing one of two things: pay this company a bunch of money so they can cheat too so that they can stay competitive in the game, or quit WoW out of frustration because the cheaters have taken over and they have no hope of ever equaling them through fair play.

The particular issue in this case is the way Blizzard is going about filing the lawsuit. It's not a case of copyright infringement, it's a case of contract violation. If the copyright infringement case succeeds (which it won't), there will be far reaching implications across the software industry.

However, in terms of the contract breaching, it's perfectly legitimate that they're pissed about it, and it makes sense for them to try to shut these companies down. It's one thing to give yourself extra lives in a single player game, it's another to cheat when you're competing against thousands of other people who are all regularly paying money to play the game.
The Johnggernaut's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:55
The Johnggernaut
Fuck. That.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 15:56
king3vbo
Prepare to LOVE Blizzard.

Wowglider is fucking lame, and I'm glad Blizzard is attacking it with full force
Reeper's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 16:23
Reeper
They have the right idea, but I believe the execution is wrong. The unseen circumstances of this case could have farther reaching implementations than we see now.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 16:23
Tubatic
stopping mmo cheating is a good thing. The game is built on blizzard controlling balance, content experience flow, etc.

I don't know if the methods of stopping them are bad, but stopping cheating, gold farmming/selling, and all the shadiness that surrounds that stuff is ok in my book.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 16:45
loki d20
I think the implications are fine since the right to resell products can be given as a subset of the EULA. The EULA already says that you can sell your account to another person, but that you cannot sell the sub-elements of that account (characters, gold or items on characters, etc.) via a transaction not maintained within Blizzard's world (meaning for real-world money or equivalent).

Though, some evil part of me also thinks it would be great to see GameStop go out of business from the inability to buy used games at 1/3 the normal price and sell them for $5 less than new price.
Aertyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 16:57
Aertyr
They are allowed to do whatever shit they want. If you hack you deserve it.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 18:39
Wexx
Why the fuck would you buy a bot program? That's even dumber than buying gold. I'd have to agree with Conrad though, if Blizzard wins this, All computer software platforms/operating systems that have a super-lame EULA (see:Corporate agenda) would be able to prevent pretty much any program that they find to be against what they want to do, you wouldn't be able to run it.

Also, fuck the RIAA.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 19:09
Wedge
Ummm fuck no. Third party interoperability software is useful in so many cases, and attacking it on the basis of it being used as a cheating tool is NOT the way to go here. If WoW already runs hella spyware to track your system, why can't they just fix it to prevent this? It's not like it'd be hard to detect the mannerisms a bot program exhibits either.

It's obvious the REAL issue here, is Blizzard is pissed at somebody making money by selling "accessories" for their game, they don't give a shit about people cheating.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 19:55
DryvBy
Yeah, the people that think this is a good idea, maybe you should try getting your nose out of corporate butts. You're nothing more than a tool. And no, Aertyr, you retard, they can't do whatever they want. We are paying for a game. I don't cheat so I don't personally fear THIS type of method, but I fear passing a law like this as to what it CAN lead to. This is not a good idea in any case.

Cheating is stupid, but again, it's a freakin' video game. It's not harming ANY one. I mean, what's next?

-Interrupting a movie at a theater: life in prison.
-Talking on a cell phone at the dinner table: fine of $2,000.
-Selling your used games breaks a future EULA (that by reading it, somehow binds it to you [yet putting a sign on your house that says "Come inside without permission, I shoot you" sends you to prison over"]): fine of $20,000,000! These homeless game developers need their spendings!!
-Smoking a joint in the privacy of your own home: prison (oh wait... they already passed that one)
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 20:31
Aaron Mxy Yost
Like I said before, when it comes to online games, cheating DOES ruin the experience for legitimate players. But this isn't how they should be preventing it.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 21:25
Tubatic
OK. I'm now not at work and read the article :)

The change in law that they propose runs a very slick slope with regards to riht management. Having a loop hole as big as the article describes, making the user at once law-abiding and, at whim, an outlaw, is pretty twisted. One would hope a smart attorney will point this out and rework this for the better.

But I definitely stand by my earlier statements and give my usual nod to Mxyzptlk's assessment.

There's a big difference between cheat coding in Morrowind and cheating in a live, player populated and at times competitve game like WoW.

Its like a guy providing and running a rec center, and a few kids go around bullying and cheating all the kids that want to play fair, use the equipment as specified under the membership agreement, and just have a generally good time. If the guy running the center doesn't step in, somehow, he looks like a jerk, kids will stop coming to his rec center, and those same cheating jerks just find another rec center.
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 03:23
10BobMarleys
There are a lot of long comments here so I'll keep it short. FUCK CHEATERS, FUCK THEM TO HELL. That is all.
Aertyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 06:53
Aertyr
You play a game on their server. If you cheat you destroy the game for everyone. They have a right to defend their product. So please take your whining somewhere else. People want to play in a controlled atmosphere, and if hackers and botters persist then other players will see no need and move onto an MMO that cares. If logic is to big of an idea for your I suggest you to go to www.joystiq.com. At least they will accept you there.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:28
DryvBy
"If logic is to big of an idea for your I suggest you to go to www.joystiq.com. At least they will accept you there."

No idea what that meant because you did what I do: never proof read. But no, I'm allowed to whine about this crap. I hate cheaters just as much as most people, most sane people that is. But to fine them? Goodness, you must have a nose as brown as yule logs.
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