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I love Sniping and Camping
Drunken Haze | 6:03 AM on 04.03.2008 30 comments




I've always been bad at sniping in other games, halo in particular. Something about having sniper rifles which have barely a better range than the other guns and leave a smoke trail telling people exactly where you are combined with a bright red suit in a world where natural foliage seems few and far between. I hated doing it so much that I just couldn't learn enough to get better at it.

Then COD4 came and suddenly I had camouflage and I had a sniper that could kill people in one shot (I love my 50 cal. with stopping power) and I wasn't dressed in bright lumonous camo.



Camping

But then came the insults. I was a camper, I was a sniper and these things made me a noob. Killing lots of people and dieing not very much is what noobs do. The only thing that isn't being a noob is running around like a idiot with a sub-machine gun in a place overlooked by atleast 5 good sniping spots.

Yes, I left claymores to cover my flank and you ran into it again and again. That makes ME the stupid faggot. Yes, I stayed in the same place and kept sniping you again and again as you ran around a corner, despite the fact that the game tells you exactly where I was and how I killed you every time you die. That makes me the gay noob, as aparntly does:

Killing a person over and over again with the pistol. Seriously apparently people should learn to use their primary weapon.

Using the M16 assault rifle because killing people over and over again with the first unlocked gun is stupid.

Using the grenade launcher because sacrificing a perk slot and the ability to fire my gun makes me overpowered and using overpowered weapons is stupid, people need to use weak weapons which don't kill as much.

People need to stop complaining about how bad the guns that killed them are. Camping is a legitimate strategy.



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EternalDeathSlayer's Destructoid Blog
Thanks for sharing, really.
B-Radicate's Destructoid Blog
Haha. This was funny. Very well written. People on CoD4 are fucking morons, pay them no attention and continue to do what you do best. Anyone with any talent in that game has heard similar things.

The only thing I DO consider stupid is when people use jumping cheats to scale buildings you're not really supposed to be able to get on top of. No gun is out of line, but taking advantage of the level geometry is, in my book.

Great read.
JohnTheCrow's Destructoid Blog
Agreed. As long as you're not exploiting the game somehow (like using glitches to get somewhere no one can see you but you can see them) or running aiming programs in the background or something like that, as long as you're having fun, you're playing the came right.
razerangel's Destructoid Blog
Yea you can never win with some of the douchebags on the internets. Your basically a n00b if you are not them. Which is so fair!
ScottyG's Destructoid Blog
I personally don't like sniping and camping, but that's just because I find it very boring.

Stalking around and slowly hunting each other is fun in theory, but when you've spent several minutes doing nothing but crawling around hunting for someone only to get sniped because you took one step too many (or too few) and having to start the process all over again isn't all that fun to me.

I'm more of a hunting around corners and flanking to catch people off guard kind of person, which I suppose is why TF2 sees lots of play while I'm actually considering trading in CoD4. :p
youkilledmyguy's Destructoid Blog
I see what you're saying and I agree to an extent. The times where it can be seen as "noobish" behavior are there though. As you said you have camo, decent natual cover, claymore's covering your flanks and a gun that can kill in one shot. In that situation if you place yourself in a good position, even if someone knows where you are what options to fight back do they have? They could rush you and hope that you don't get off that one round before they are in proper range or perhaps spam the general area with grenades, but in that one to two seconds of coming out of cover to throw it you can line up a one hit shot from a safe distance away.
Simmy's Destructoid Blog
I consier Campers / Snipers among the lowest form of gaming scum.
weedgan's Destructoid Blog
I think its called XBL.

My solution? Take off your headset, or mute everyone. Its that easy.
big filth's Destructoid Blog
haha! this is awesome. I say its awesome from the perspective of the guy who gets killed running around the corner by the sniper over and over again and then I curse you for sniping me! I know its a poor argument on my behalf but it just seems like snipers are FAGS when the snipe ME.

youre right though dude!!

great post!
vishusdelishus's Destructoid Blog
What I'm shocked by is B-Radicate's use of the word 'talented' to describe COD4 players.
blehman's Destructoid Blog
Wouldn't it actually be considered a legitimate strategy?
Log1c's Destructoid Blog
Play hardcore, then most guns are 1 shot kill (all snipers, g3, m16 burst, etc) and there is no kill cam, at least on decent servers.

Also shame on you for using things available in the game to defeat people in the game, fucking noob... ;)
glipe's Destructoid Blog
I suggest you read my guide on how to play FPSs. That should teach you the basics and get you ready for the world of XBL. ;)

Good read man, I have a lot of sympathy for snipers getting picked on, even though I'm rubbish with sniper rifles. I also think the sniper rifle in CoD is easily the best and most balanced in any FPS I've played in a long time. Useless in close combat, effective along lines of sight at a distance, obscures what's going on around you. Great stuff.
BluDesign's Destructoid Blog
@simmy

That's likely because you have no recourse for sucking so much.

A good sniper is never seen nor found, and that is a crucial member of any team in any game.

Myself and a friend used to download MASSIVELY large UT2k4 maps and run them as instagib sniper maps. We'd have 30 minute matches with like 1-2 kills per match. It was a blast.
BigPopaGamer's Destructoid Blog
Get over it. Sniper rifles are in the game for a reason. If all I had to do in the game was pick up a rifle and shoot, I would get bored. Adding in Sniper rifles and shotguns varies it up a little. Sniping is part of every FPS. If someone snipes you, just see where they are, throw some fucking flashes and rape them in the ass.

Stop bitching.
JamnOnTheOne's Destructoid Blog
I would love for sniper rifles to become realistic in games.

There would be no more snipers.
NegFactor's Destructoid Blog
The principle of sniping and camping isn't really such a bad thing. People get pissed off because it's something very difficult for them to get around, as an effective sniping spot that is defended well (in your case, claymores) makes it a very frustrating task to remove you from your roost.

For me, sniping becomes aggravating when you go into a level expecting an average number of players playing an average number of positions (as in, an equal number of aggressive players, snipers, sneakers who pick their shots, and so on) and instead of a good mix of weaponry and play styles, you get 32 people with sniper rifles all just camping out at one location or another. It might be a gross exaggeration, but I have played an FPS where the level I was in had only two people happened to not be sniping, and I was one of them. You could argue that I should have gone in and cleared about the locations they were sniping in rather than staying out in the open, but the snipers had snipers watching their backs and covering entrances to buildings. Talk about overkill.

I like sniping in a few games, and I don't think it's really unfair by and large. For me, after I get a few kills, I don't continue to camp. I move to another location, setup and plug a few more people, and then repeat. Then again, I'm of the mentality that if I get caught with my pants down while I'm setting up camp, it's my own fault and I should have moved out sooner. EFF YOUR DEFENSIVE STRATEGIES! :P
wardrox's Destructoid Blog
I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you.

Whatever happened to chivalry?
Drunken Haze's Destructoid Blog
Chivalry dies along with the people who advocate it.
Rucksack's Destructoid Blog
I've been a sniper since shooters went online. Trust me, I completely understand where you're coming from.

I will say, one sniper to another, that many consider the .50 to be a rather noobish weapon. It's absolutely overpowered, especially when used in conjunction with the stopping power perk.

To gain more respect I'd suggest using one of the lower level rifle rigs, so that only head-shots are one hit kills.

Then again the .50 is part of the game, so obviously you can use it if you want. Just don't expect to get much in the way of props.
king3vbo's Destructoid Blog
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Corak's Destructoid Blog
I have no problem with snipers, because most of them are easy pickings after they kill you once. If a sniper happens to kill me in a level I just switch to my sniper class and counter snipe them and move on. I've been playing COD4 long enough to know the good sniper points. There are some good ones that actually know how to use the sniper class very well and be frustratingly effective but they are few and far between. Note: I do know how to do this but normally don't because once you snipe a few people you are enemy #1 and the entire opposing team will hunt you down, and I prefer run and gun. Most of the noobs don't know how to deal with them and just bitch.
DrNutt's Destructoid Blog
I just hate how the kill cam looks when I get hit by a sniper. The technology of the kill cam must be messed up, because half the time, it doesn't even look like they had me anywhere near their sights and somehow I still die. Then when I use a sniper rifle, I miss and they kill me from a mile away with their P90.

But that's why when it comes to sniping, I just use my M16 and ACOG and it seems to work just fine.
Aciesethon's Destructoid Blog
Heres a proposition for you, what would you do if the opposite team camped? Continue camping? Then nothing will happen because noone is moving. The reason people complain is because they are disadvantaged by taking the initiative.

Sniping/camping is something that really needs to be fixed in fps. The way this must be done is by preventing the person who uses initiative from having to sacrifice themselves for the sake of giving the game momentum and by balancing the sniper rifles with the rest of the weapons.

And don't kid yourself by thinking they are balanced, nearly all of the weapons in cod4 in reality would kill in one shot and be as accurate as a sniper rifle in the ranges represented in the game. The weapons are scaled down for the sake of gameplay exept for some of the sniper rifles which seem to have it all; range, rof, accuracy, power and clipsize. As rucksack said, if you want to earn some respect change to a bolt action sniper rifle so at least the rof is sacrificed for accuracy.

Don't take my post wrong here, I'm not insulting you here or crying of cheap tactics. I myself have faced the same critism on many occasion by those considering rush/zerg strategies as cheap. I accept that it's a legitimate strategy even if it does frustrate me sometimes and as such my thoughts here are of how to change the game rather than blame the player.

And as for the demographic of snipers, there are always too many of them and too few who contribute to the team's goals (the battlfield series I speak of here). I think film's like Enemy at the Gates have romantisized snipers a bit too much so it seems to be the go to class for newer players. If you haven't seen Jarhead then I'd recommend you do. Granted I have seen some insanely good snipers at cod2 lans before altough they didn't camp so much as they did get headshots using the scope for scarcely a second while on the move.
Revolt in Colour's Destructoid Blog
Sniping is fine. But camping is lame and not fun at all.
Woverine's Destructoid Blog
you don't play on pc do you? because I want to snipe you in the face and throw a nade at your camping room to blow up your mines (and you) (im serious, i wanna play some cod!) haha
glipe's Destructoid Blog
@Revolt: I half-agree. Camping is fine, as far as I'm concerned, if the level design is good. There should never be an invulnerable camping spot. I've not found one on CoD4 yet. There are areas that can be defended really well but grenades, C4, maniacs with P90s and Juggernaut on, rocket-launchers, air-strikes, etc, no camping spot is perfect.
the man in the orange hat's Destructoid Blog
Thus is the worst part of playing on line. This happened a lot when Gears was released: using any weapon at any time in any fashion in any situation against any player made you a "noob." Headshots from across the map? Noob. Using the chainsaw ever (a feature used to sell the game in the first place)? Noob.

Just turn off the mic, it's much easier.
Yashoki's Destructoid Blog
First off, nice writeup.

Second. Sniping and camping are fun. Sometimes I dont want to run and gun, sometimes i just wanna sit back and shoot some bitches.

The only time i hate camping is when the spots are hard to get to. Thus making it bullshit camping. But again, dont get shot :P
Michael Mastromarino's Destructoid Blog
Almost anyone can get a few kills with sniper rifles and camping, but I doubt half the people claiming "legitimate strategy" could rack up the same kills with run'n'gun tactics.
In my experience, theres two types of COD players;
people who switch it up between CQB and Assault variants, run around as squads and have fun clearing rooms etc., you know "team" stuff.

And snipers. They have fun.... apparently.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate all enemy combatants equally, I just respect the sheer audacity of a shotgunner or subby jumping through a window to stab me way more than the kids that stayed hiding an hour after everyone else stopped looking.

Having said all that, I fucking love headshotting snipers with my UMP45.
So keep doin your thing, you lonely, lonely warriors.


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