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Instant Replay: leaderboards
Dexter345 | 3:05 PM on 08.25.2008 13 comments




Back when the XBox 360 was first announced and discussed, the big new feature of this generation (and indeed, one of my favorite parts of the XBox 360) was the addition of Achievements. I have always loved to have a measure for 100% completing the games I own, and so a single unified system that allows me to compare my progress with friends provides me with more entertainment than it probably should. But while some Achievements will motivate me, or give me an excuse to replay games, they don't do it as much as one of the less popular new features: leaderboards.

Certainly, leaderboards aren't really anything new. I can recall spending hours in the arcade playing Street Fighter II, Rampage, Sunset Riders, and Cruisin' USA. Of course, playing the games was inherently rewarding, but one of the things that kept me going was the desire to knock AAA out of the number one spot and replace it with DEX. Indeed, only two things could get me to stop playing some of these games back in the day; either I would succeed in grabbing the top spot, or I would run out of quarters.

Really, bringing leaderboards to XBox Live and PSN was just the next logical step in an age-old video game tradition. But with the good points, they also brought some not-so-good ones.

My main beef with worldwide leaderboards is that no matter what, there is some ultra-caffeinated twelve-year-old with no job somewhere who will post a ridiculously unattainable score/time, putting the normal player somewhere around 60,000th place on popular games. However, this issue can be bypassed by using only your friends leaderboards. I get indescribable pleasure seeing my Gamertag at number one on my list, and aside from some of the superhuman gamers on my list, I can be found there relatively frequently.

Another issue I have are the fact that leaderboards are a requirement. While the leaderboards are great for inherently competitive games like Geometry Wars or Pac-Man: Championship Edition, they are at best shoehorned or at worst completely out of place in games like Bioshock or Braid. Of course, the remedy for this is to just not pay attention to those leaderboards.

However, despite the shortcomings of leaderboards on this generation of consoles, they probably keep me coming back to games more than any other feature, when they're done right. Most recently, I have been playing the crap out of Bionic Commando: Rearmed, and although I still haven't finished the main game, I have nearly completed all of the Challenge Rooms.

But just because I've completed them doesn't mean I won't ever play them again. Even after beating one for the first time, I will check its individual leaderboard to see how I stack up against my friends. If I'm in the top spot, I will gloat to myself, but if I'm down a few notches, I'll immediately load up the level again and shoot for a better time. If that's not *instant* replay, then I don't know what is.

The madness extends even further. Last Saturday Chad had a party at his place, and late in the night Chad opened up BC:R to get help with a particular Challenge Room. After showing him how it's done, I noticed that I beat my old time, but on his Gamertag! We passed the controller around and got through several of the Challenge Rooms, and all the while I asked to check the leaderboards so I could note which times I had to go back and best. And then, after leaving his apartment and getting home at 5:30 in the morning, I stayed up for another two hours under the guise of being dehydrated and having to drink lots of water. Really, I just needed an excuse to beat the times and solidify my position on the leaderboards.

Am I alone in this, or does your gaming thrive on the juice of the online leaderboards? Do you relish the friendly competition, or turn in disgust at the blatant comparison of e-peens?



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Kryptinite's Destructoid Blog
Awesome! This post reminded me to take WarchiefGrim off of my friend list. He's fucking my Geo Wars 2 board up.

In some games like Geometry Wars, leader boards are what keep me coming back to the game. I like to call up NadeMagnet and tell him I'm beating his ass in Waves. Sadly, I don't think that's the case right now though.
tsunamikitsune's Destructoid Blog
I <3 the leaderboards, cause they add a lot of replay to my XBLA games. They give me a good reason to keep playing and trying to get better after all the achievement points are gone. :P

Sometimes they're badly implemented, though. They really should have ditched the puzzle piece leaderboard on Braid and made the Speed Run leaderboard the main.
Dexter345's Destructoid Blog
@Kitsune: I totally agree about the Braid thing. First it was just "Who finished the game first? (RevAnthony)," and then they switched it to "Who most recently finished the game?"

The full game speed run would be a much better *main* leaderboard. Of course, given its length, not many people would make very many stabs at bettering it. Hell, at this point, I think like less than 1% of the people who bought the game have even tried the full game speed run.
GrumpyTurtle's Destructoid Blog
I haven't found leaderboards have too big of an effect on me. Granted I don't have a ton of 360 friends, and the ones I do have I'm either far beyond their scores, or they're far beyond mine.
I think I'd be more into leader boards if I had a closer skill level to my own, cause back in the day nothing pissed me off more then seeing my little sister had beat my time on Mario Kart.
"THIS SHALL NOT STAND!" I would shout defiantly, and then play Mario Kart for 5 hours till I beat her record.
I do kinda miss that.
Danmartigan's Destructoid Blog
Hey Dex, I agree... the XBL leaderboards are fun for a little friendly competition. I actually got so addicted to BC:R's challenge rooms that I am currently like 15th in the world or something. I'm sure the caffeinated jobless 12 year olds will push me further down on the list, but it was fun for an old timer to see my name so high up there for once.

Looking forward to SSF2HD and trying to work my way up that one as well. At least then I can beat the youngins to a bloody pulp while doing so.
Aerox's Destructoid Blog
I see you neglected to mention the part at Chad's party where I picked up the controller, not having played the game before, and beat the part you guys had been stuck at for the last 15 minutes.

I'm so amazing.
dronkmunk's Destructoid Blog
Another issue I have are the fact that leaderboards are a requirement.

^^^^^
LOL?
Batthink's Destructoid Blog
I relish the challenge. I've recently been part of the New Track and Field community, and they have loads of leaderboards. ^_^
galagabug 's Destructoid Blog
leaderboards are prob my fave thing about the 360, geo wars 2 does it so well. watching you pass your friends scores is amazing.
KyleGamgee's Destructoid Blog
I never did look at the leaderboards before. It's not really my style. But now I think I'll take a peek every so often, and possible take some immense satisfaction at being higher than you on anything.

*cough*Ticket to Ride*cough*
KyleGamgee's Destructoid Blog
@ Aerox. That was pretty cool.

Video Game background and skill, ftw.
flabzilla's Destructoid Blog
The leaderboards in Mario Kart wii for the time trials was the only thing that kept me coming back to that game, they really should have implemented somthing similer into smash bros..
Chad Concelmo's Destructoid Blog
Man, I am so good at Bionic Commando! :)


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