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This is in response to this rant by Jim Sterling right here. I'm giving my rant it's
own blog entry because, basically, it may have enough content to merit one.

I must admit I used to poo-poo this sort of DLC, considering it an act of fleecing the unskilled rubes, who
cannot be bothered to spend the time to grind to unlock this content themselves.

Then I got Rock Band. I beat the game on guitar Easy, which didn't unlock all the songs. Being that I wanted to
play, say, Enter Sandman, I decided to go through on Normal. I did fine, until I hit Vaseline. I failed
out of the song over, and over, and over again, after trying for a month. I looked for a cheat code and found
one - one that disabled saving and leaderboards, meaning that my scores for all the other songs
wouldn't be sent online, and that I'd have to enter the cheat every time I put in the game.

Fuck. That. Noise.

I'll be honest. I'm now willing to pay $5 to unlock everything on the disk in Rock Band, and still be able to save,
and upload my scores later to the online leaderboards, just so I can get to the songs after Vaseline,
because I suspect that they're actually easier than Vaseline, as my main problem with Vaseline is that god-
fucking-damned alternating two-note riff.

As much as I love all the rest of Rock Band, and I love the DLC options available for the game, and even
though I love Harmonix's games - the note chart for Vaseline, and the fact that I couldn't just enter a
cheat and unlock everything forever, nor did I have the option to spend 5 bucks to unlock the entire track list
made me want run through the halls of Harmonix, on a bloody rampage, with
Stormbringer in hand, or spitting the employees responsible
for the abomination that is Vaseline's note chart on pikes, and setting them ablaze as a warning for
all those future people who make note charts, not only for Rock Band, but for Guitar Hero as well, to avoid
such expensive-controller-smashingly frustrating riffs.

So, I can now forgive pay DLC for content that would ordinarily be unlockable. I do admit that using a cheat
code to unlock that content, one that doesn't disable saving, so that I don't have to enter the code
every time I want to play the game would better. However, considering the lack of such codes in games these
days, and in general the way games are going, that's probably a bit too much to ask.

That, though, is a rant for another time.



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1) You used Chrome so your formatting is off
2) Read my reply in the Blazblue news post
3)You'd really pay $5 because of a 10 second cheat code?

You're not looking at the bigger picture. You shouldn't be encouraging Harmonix to put this "pay-per-unlock" in, when the obvious alternative is "just have everything unlocked".

Because of blogs/comments/emails to Harmonix from people with that viewpoint, Rock Band Beatles will ship with 100% of it's songs unlocked. Your blog of "charge us please" serves 0 purpose when they're already implementing on a better solution. Email Harmonix "thank you", and maybe in Rock Band 3, you can use that $5 for a few tracks.
Yeah man, That really should be free. FFS, don't encourage these vultures. Capcom want $20 dollars aus to unlock alt costumes for street fighter 4, and those are all on the disc, locked, unless you buy them. You think that's ok?
I disagree, I would rather just not be able to get passed the song than pay $5 to unlcock everything.

Fuck. That. Noise.
What Magnalon said.

Money for cheat codes?

Fuck.That.Shit.

Also, stuck on Normal?
Are you an Amputee?
Stuck on Normal? GTFO !
OMG STUCK ON NORMAL, BEGONE FROM THIS SITE YOU INFERIOR GAMER.

Seriously, Gantz, Naim, fuck off, not everyone has the many, MANY hours to play a game that you 2 seem to have.

And like I said in the Blaz Blue thread, who gives a fuck, its your game, its your money, do whatever you want, you wanna pay 10 bucks and have EVERYTHING? Go ahead, nobody is stopping you and I doubt you'll lose any sleep because a bunch of neckbeard shut-ins think less of you.
You can pay for the stuff that's already there if you really want. I paid for Yoda on SC4. But it undoubtedly leaves a sour taste behind.

And who cares if he's stuck on Normal? No shame in it.
There's shame in looking in down on him because he doesn't play at the same difficulty as you. Knobheads.
I just find it hard to believe
1 song + 1 month = 0 progress

Overall I really don't care if someone wants to go and waste their own money on essentially a cheat.

But don't you think 0 dollars for an -actual- cheat would be better?

If you're so inclined to cheat, have at it.
Just, why settle for a paid unlock?
@Nanbu: You seriously need to get banned again. You're such a fucking prick, dude, and for absolutely no reason. If you stayed true to your "reasoning' behind your dickhole-attitude people probably wouldn't care, but you're just being a douche for no reason to whomever the hell you want.

They're expressing their opinions. You can say "who the fuck cares" about anything, but it's not like everyone doesn't care.

Seriously, who the fuck cares about you? Why are you a part of this site if you just shit all over the comments section of every blog and front page article you come across, and spew hate everywhere you go. Leave.
What Magnalon said.

@ Nanbu

Many many hours? My 16 year old sister was able to beat Rock Band on Normal having never played any guitar game before. Though I do actually agree with you that we shouldn't be mocking CountZeroOR for his skill level what you were doing in regards to Naim and Gantz was an attack of the same kind only inverted.
So you're horrible at the game but you're complaining you can't upload your scores online? Really?

I can understand having to enter the cheat everytime being annoying, but they fixed that in RB2 by just making it a menu option. Though perhaps it's debatable if you should get that at this point, you could import the songs over from RB1 to 2 and then have no problems. And there's even a small charge for porting them over, so hooray, there's your payment.
I can see your point. You're saying that you're willing to pay for convenience. That's understandable.

Would I do it? I think it depends really. If there were a lot of songs that I really liked and knew I just would not be able to unlock on my own, then yes, I'd consider it.

I'm usually stuck going beyond normal too, but I know I'm not especially good at these games. I do enjoy them though, which I thought was what mattered.
I think it's pretty weird that you can pay to unlock stuff. Wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of the game?

Kids nowadays don't know you can get things by working for it. Not by throwing money around. Weren't we all playing Super Mario to death when we finally saved the proper amount of money to buy the game? Even though we couldn't finish some games when we were younger we played it a shitload of hours. At least I do, and I know I'm not alone.
I understand why people would want to skip the hard parts of a game, but paying a machine to do so is questionable. Back in the day, you'd just stick in a code to do this, or if one wasn't available, you might even give a friend a pound or so to beat the hardest level of Goldeneye for you so you can finally play the Egyptian level.

I think the console should be youre friend, sit next to you for a day and tell you you suck if it wants to charge to play your games. Otherwise, it can stick its paid unlocks. There's no salvageable fun in that.
You kids today and your weird formatting and your month stuck on one song and your nanbu is still a fucking penis head.
I was looking at getting Rockband for my husband for his Birthday as we both enjoy Singstar... may I ask if the songs are all unlocked if you play the game in a non-competitive mode?

Frankly, this won't be a "game" for us... more a form of goofy Saturday afternoon entertainment to torture the neighbors with our singing... if there's not an optional method to play all songs on the disc (or to pay a minimal fee to unlock them) then this won't be a buy.
@ Elsa

Like was mentioned, you can unlock all songs with a simple cheat code, you just can't unlock cheevos/trophies if you do, which isn't a big deal in my opinion and I would assume your's as well.

@topic

But what I don't get is, and I'm not judging you for playing at the skill level you're comfortable with, seriously, if you just play on normal, why do you give a shit if you can get on the leaderboards? You couldn't possibly get past a rank of 200,000 at best playing at that skill level anyway as you don't get as many notes which result in fewer points possible. And even if you could, who cares about leaderboards? I was ranked in the top 20 on RB drums on a number of songs for quite a while, yet my penis remained the same size (that size being enormous, if you're curious lol). Paying for cheats is super-fucking retarded, up, up, down,down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start mu'phucker!
Thanks Blasto!
@ Elsa

My pleasure, and on a related "note", I believe Rockband: Beatles allows for multi-part harmonies! Rap your noggin around that for a while, your neighbors will be ecstatic lol :)
*Wrap :P
I don't get this mentality. I really don't. On the other hand, I'm sure the games industry is proud of the number of happy consumer sheep it has dancing to its tune.
"I'm sure the games industry is proud of the number of happy consumer sheep it has dancing to its tune."

lulz

I apologise for having an opinion that differs from your own.

*hides away in shame*
You know what?? I don't mind this at all unlike most people here. Criterion allowed this for Burnout Paradise to unlock all the cars. Considering that it took me 60-70 hours to achieve my Burnout License and unlock everything, some people just don't have the time especially considering how boring and repetitive the main part of the game can get. If you want to just be playing the superior online mode with your friends, you don't want to be stuck with the early cars only.
@Celica
Then I hope in Burnout Paradise 2, all cars are unlocked for multiplayer play (a lot of games do this). Then we can spend that money on real DLC cars, or Big Surf Island.

The "we don't have 50 hours to play this game" argument just holds as much water as "we're on a budget we don't have $5 to spend on an unlock" contention. Hopefully, more developers will be taking the route of Rock Band Beatles.
@ Magnalon

Considering that all the DLC for Burnout costs $70, don't expect too many perks for the next Burnout >_>
So, Celica, you want to pay the developers so you don't have to play their game for 70 hours? You'd rather have instant gratification than 70 hours of playtime?

Err, ok. As for me, if you must have the option, fine, but let me unlock it through gameplay, and not by completing a stupidly hard challenge in under 5 seconds while the moon is both blue AND yellow.
*facepalm* Can't people use their fucking heads?? If I or you have the time, patience and skill to spend 70 hours to unlock something in a game then these paid "unlocks" AREN'T FOR US!! These are for the people who get their gratification from knowing that their kids will have a future or that their business will be successful. They don't play 4 or 5 hours a day, more like an hour or two every weekend. They play video games to unwind and have fun, not to put themselves under more stress. Considering that Burnout's online mode is more about cooperation and just dicking around, it'd be a shame to limit people with little time from truly enjoying the best the game has to offer. Sure they could just let you use them for free, but unlocking 69 cars for $5 really isn't too bad. It's a pretty good deal by Criterion's standards.

And just so everyone knows, no amount of money can beat my Online Road Rules :P
You shouldn't pay to unlock songs because you shouldn't have to. It would be nice if you could just go online and get a free cheat code for those who just want to play casually or whatever they call it, but games should still make you work for rewards by default.

At the very least music games should have the option of unlocking all songs right away or locking them until you progress enough in the game. There should be a choice. That way everybody is happy.

The BlazBlue shit? There should be codes for that shit. They shouldn't be charging people, they should just give them a damn cheat if they just want to play for fun.

You know, "casual" gamers probably aren't interested in spending more than the 60 bucks it cost to get the game, so in the interest of letting them get more out of it, that shit should be unlocked with a code for people who don't play for the challenge. Again, both sides, "hardcore" and "casual", are happy.
Hmm...you know, I think this is gonna have to qualify as yet another type of DLC in my head. Free add-on content, paid add-on content, and then paid unlocks...but this seems to be in a different vein than, say, Beautiful Katamari (the poster child for on-disc locked content). With BK, there was no other way to get the content behind the paid DLC, as far as I know. But with these...well, at least there's that option if you really get lazy. I mean, didn't Tales of Vesperia 360 have paid "DLC" to get extra money and levels?

I don't have a problem with pay-to-unlock-or-do-it-yourself DLC, as there's an either-or option there. As long as it's not anything ridiculous like play for 1000 hours to unlock X. Come on. At least this method of DLC rewards people for their hard work, and it doesn't necessarily leave anyone out in the cold, provided they're willing to cough up a few more bucks.

"But DF!" you cry, "I want my satisfaction too! Those bastards get the credit just by throwing more money at the game! :(" Well yeah, but aren't you winning out in the win by unlocking everything with your own sweat, tears, and blood? Not to mention you also win out because you didn't pay as much to get where you are. That's how I'm taking it, at least. *shrugs*

After all, don't we remember those people who would get all the achievements for you in games for like $50 a game? Sure, so-and-so probably could murder your Gamerscore with such tactics, but he'd also be paying out the ass for it. Just wait until word gets out about it! (and please ignore the fact that the people I'm referring to are out of business, as far as I know).
I believe that no matter how you look at this, paying for some shitty DLC to unlock all the extra crap in the game is simply a scam to get extra money.

To the person who said that they can understand this because they and others might not have enough time on their hands to play 70 or so hours to unlock all the extra crap. I see the logic, but it's missing the point completely. This is simply paying for a cheat code. If you don't have enough time, then you put the cheat code in and you have all the unlockables. This is how it always has been. Making someone pay extra money for a game that they probably already payed 60 dollars for just to unlock shit? Come the fuck on.

I'm not trying to bring anyone down, but this just blows my mind. So far, people either hate it or people don't mind it because they don't have the time or energy to unlock everything. Does that mean that you should pay for it?

Hell no. The console digital distribution phase has just started and developers/marketers are already trying to take advantage of the people that are new to it. You should never have to pay for anything extra on a game that you just spent 60 dollars on unless it's a fucking expansion pack or a SERIOUS OVERHAUL to the game.

Seriously, what's next? Pay to patch your game?
i liked spending my twenty dollars on a game genie or a game shark and having cheat codes for every game i can that way but, not so much into paying a dollar or ftve for one code for one game but thats just me

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