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All Jim haters are indeed bi, or gay, for Jim. It's sciencological fact.
Also, doing a special 5 year edition? Screw that for comment compilation nightmares.
Also, glad you didn't include DToid chat comments in the comments of the week, therefore not setting precedent for the hair-pulling fury of another channel of comments to sift through.
Also, fantastic work GGX.
Also, cocks.
Also, doing a special 5 year edition? Screw that for comment compilation nightmares.
Also, glad you didn't include DToid chat comments in the comments of the week, therefore not setting precedent for the hair-pulling fury of another channel of comments to sift through.
Also, fantastic work GGX.
Also, cocks.
Au contraire, I'd love to be Kanye West! Great comments! Glad to see Super Drybones made it, he was on a roll this week.
You know, it's begining to bother me how frequently people say "art is subjective" under the pretense that this relates to and somehow ends the Games As Art soap opera. I'm not even sure of the purpose in its assertion anymore - since people rely on subjective perceptual and interpretative activity to determine the meaning of a particular item, therefore descriptive categorical language indicates nothing of permenant meaning?
No no no.
Just because my understanding of a particular piece of art relies on a subjective value system, that does not mean the term 'art' denotes nothing of consensus. Shit, the way the vast majority of people here flaunt the word, you'd swear 'art' refers to 'something I like.' Yes determinance of an individual piece of art is subjective but we can communicate and agree on what the genus of art implies of a piece. Just as a dog is this type of creature, art is a particular kind of a thing.
Phooey. It's little wonder why people think 'art' is some mysterious incomprehensible wonder of a word when their very first presumption is one of incommunicability. Sometimes the irk just dribbles out of my brain and runs absolutely everywhere.
Great commentoid, though. I would totally fap, except you compared Mattrodroid to The Question. Don't get me started...!
No no no.
Just because my understanding of a particular piece of art relies on a subjective value system, that does not mean the term 'art' denotes nothing of consensus. Shit, the way the vast majority of people here flaunt the word, you'd swear 'art' refers to 'something I like.' Yes determinance of an individual piece of art is subjective but we can communicate and agree on what the genus of art implies of a piece. Just as a dog is this type of creature, art is a particular kind of a thing.
Phooey. It's little wonder why people think 'art' is some mysterious incomprehensible wonder of a word when their very first presumption is one of incommunicability. Sometimes the irk just dribbles out of my brain and runs absolutely everywhere.
Great commentoid, though. I would totally fap, except you compared Mattrodroid to The Question. Don't get me started...!
You know that part where you realise that last night you were up till 1 checking everything was in the right place and then you realise you left the draft title in?
That part breaks my heart every time. Seriously kids don't blog at night. Shit is dangerous.
@Capt. Bus
I was looking at that picture for ages trying to figure out what it meant. After a couple minutes everything clicked and an entirely new world was opened to me.
@Kraid
Nic Cage has made an entire career off being Nic Cage. I don't know what that is supposed to be but it's always the coolest guy around. It takes a special kind of man to punch a woman dressed like a bear.
@Elsa
I think that was from a combination of a slow week and me trying not to put Occams, mrandydixon, Panda and Turtle in every single CotW. Variety never hurts (not to say I don't love those guys).
@Byronic man
It's my belief that all games are of course games then some just go above and beyond to have extra meaning. I don't think it really matters which games some call art and some don't because it's really is just a matter of opinion. I get that maybe people shouldn't use the word "art" for games that they think meet the criteria but it's just the easiest and most used word for them.
It's just one of those gaming words, Like "casual" and "hardcore", to try to get across a point. Yeah some will overuse and twist the word to mean what they like but those people are easily ignored.
And when I said less cool and likeable I meant like the question but without any positive traits whatsoever.
@Daxelman
Your rage was beautiful. You should release that beast more.
That part breaks my heart every time. Seriously kids don't blog at night. Shit is dangerous.
@Capt. Bus
I was looking at that picture for ages trying to figure out what it meant. After a couple minutes everything clicked and an entirely new world was opened to me.
@Kraid
Nic Cage has made an entire career off being Nic Cage. I don't know what that is supposed to be but it's always the coolest guy around. It takes a special kind of man to punch a woman dressed like a bear.
@Elsa
I think that was from a combination of a slow week and me trying not to put Occams, mrandydixon, Panda and Turtle in every single CotW. Variety never hurts (not to say I don't love those guys).
@Byronic man
It's my belief that all games are of course games then some just go above and beyond to have extra meaning. I don't think it really matters which games some call art and some don't because it's really is just a matter of opinion. I get that maybe people shouldn't use the word "art" for games that they think meet the criteria but it's just the easiest and most used word for them.
It's just one of those gaming words, Like "casual" and "hardcore", to try to get across a point. Yeah some will overuse and twist the word to mean what they like but those people are easily ignored.
And when I said less cool and likeable I meant like the question but without any positive traits whatsoever.
@Daxelman
Your rage was beautiful. You should release that beast more.
Finally made it into this blog. :OD
I'm surprised nobody used that joke before me, since a lot of people here are still aware of it.
I'm surprised nobody used that joke before me, since a lot of people here are still aware of it.
@EdgyDude
Damn I really would have put that one in if I saw it. This is why we need a better system for requests.
Damn I really would have put that one in if I saw it. This is why we need a better system for requests.
You know, after not being able to read Dtoid till the weekends for a while I’m starting to realise what a good service we provide here at Comments of the Week.
The thing I think I love about Commentoid the most are all the different perspectives we get from the people behind this. Sometimes the emphasis is more words and truth moments, sometimes its more silly fun stuff, sometimes its something else entirely. I really dig that variety. Lotta great words today were given a spotlight.
And Mattrodroid.
That's a balance I can appreciate, even if my tinfoil hat itches me scalp.
As always, thank you for this.
And Mattrodroid.
That's a balance I can appreciate, even if my tinfoil hat itches me scalp.
As always, thank you for this.
I appreciate the defense of arcades. I live in America (South Carolina of all places), and we just saw an arcade spring up in the most unlikely of places - and it's doing rather well. It's amazing, though not nearly as amazing as the Simpsons pinball machine they have there. Spent nearly two hours on it in one day.
@Xero
Calling a particular game 'art' because you think it meets a criteria is perfectly fine. The criteria that must be met is not subjective, though - it can be consensually described and universally agreed upon through discourse. The question of whether games are art isn't asking whether Shadow of the Colossus is art, or whether Portal is art - which are determined by subjective consideration - but whether games in general can be art. It's a conversation of abstraction and so one completely unrelated to instances of subjective judgement (unless you want to reverse-engineer the answer).
Imagine the debate of whether or not dogs are fluffy. Someone brings up the point that fluffiness is subjective. While true, we can nevertheless agree objectively that fluffiness refers to a particular quality and, after establishing a criteria, determine under what circumstances dogs can be described as fluffy. The focal point of the debate is determining that criteria. Otherwise, unless the criteria of fluffiness is understood, determinance of fluffiness is still at a loose end.
It's all very pompous and deliberate but not every conversation can be about Bulletstorm.
Sometimes I read out Mattrodroid's comment history to my housemates. They don't believe he is a real person.
Calling a particular game 'art' because you think it meets a criteria is perfectly fine. The criteria that must be met is not subjective, though - it can be consensually described and universally agreed upon through discourse. The question of whether games are art isn't asking whether Shadow of the Colossus is art, or whether Portal is art - which are determined by subjective consideration - but whether games in general can be art. It's a conversation of abstraction and so one completely unrelated to instances of subjective judgement (unless you want to reverse-engineer the answer).
Imagine the debate of whether or not dogs are fluffy. Someone brings up the point that fluffiness is subjective. While true, we can nevertheless agree objectively that fluffiness refers to a particular quality and, after establishing a criteria, determine under what circumstances dogs can be described as fluffy. The focal point of the debate is determining that criteria. Otherwise, unless the criteria of fluffiness is understood, determinance of fluffiness is still at a loose end.
It's all very pompous and deliberate but not every conversation can be about Bulletstorm.
Sometimes I read out Mattrodroid's comment history to my housemates. They don't believe he is a real person.
@Byronic
The problem is, you can never convince someone of something just by proving it. It is all about the general perception. Aesthetics is no different; in fact it's even harder to define.
New waves of conceptual art challenge the interpretation of art, Michael Duchamp's Fountain is regarded by the art community as the birth figure of conceptual art:
As far as the modern art community is concerned, there is no equivocation in Fountain's status as art.
As far as the general consensus is concerned, it's a urinal with graffiti on it.
The problem is, you can never convince someone of something just by proving it. It is all about the general perception. Aesthetics is no different; in fact it's even harder to define.
New waves of conceptual art challenge the interpretation of art, Michael Duchamp's Fountain is regarded by the art community as the birth figure of conceptual art:
As far as the modern art community is concerned, there is no equivocation in Fountain's status as art.
As far as the general consensus is concerned, it's a urinal with graffiti on it.
@CaptainBus
"The problem is, you can never convince someone of something just by proving it."
If you ever come across anyone for whom this would be true, you smack them.
The developement of modern art does not indicate a disintegration of our understanding of what art is but rather a broadening of our interpretative faculties. The modern art community does not hold a monopoly on what can be described as art. Then again it seems to me the modern art community is comprised largely of gobshites stuffing turds into tin cans and fliging condoms around the room, so how they managed to scrounge an aura of authority is well beyond me. For the purposes for discussing art in the abstract, I wouldn't worry about the content of modern art, only what lessons have been learned.
"The problem is, you can never convince someone of something just by proving it."
If you ever come across anyone for whom this would be true, you smack them.
The developement of modern art does not indicate a disintegration of our understanding of what art is but rather a broadening of our interpretative faculties. The modern art community does not hold a monopoly on what can be described as art. Then again it seems to me the modern art community is comprised largely of gobshites stuffing turds into tin cans and fliging condoms around the room, so how they managed to scrounge an aura of authority is well beyond me. For the purposes for discussing art in the abstract, I wouldn't worry about the content of modern art, only what lessons have been learned.
@commentoid
Just a heads up. I was actually referring to destructoids stock stance with regards to popular things and how it's user base are retards. In this case I was predicting the usual responses about kinect and not Pachter. Seems you may have crossed your wires there.
Just a heads up. I was actually referring to destructoids stock stance with regards to popular things and how it's user base are retards. In this case I was predicting the usual responses about kinect and not Pachter. Seems you may have crossed your wires there.
@Byronic
Unfortunately, if I had to smack everyone who did not believe in something even when proven, I'd have to be doing a whole lot of smacking.
It took centuries before the wider world accepted Copernicus' principle that the Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way round. There are people still believe that man has not landed on the moon, despite the mountain of supporting evidence. Carbon dating and starlight analysis has not deterred a community that remain convinced that the universe is no older than 5,000 years. There are large and enthusiastic groups around the world who object to certain forms of immunisation, despite the overwhelming evidence that indicates the revolutionary benefits that these have provided us.
Facts and proof are not always the best methods of changing people's minds, because minds often develop means to subvert or destroy any prrof, no matter how concrete.
The best method of persuasion is for those in positions of power and influence to proclaim that games offer strong cultural benefits. Then, gradually, the tide of negativity toward videogames as a culturally relevant form will turn. This will not happen overnight.
Unfortunately, if I had to smack everyone who did not believe in something even when proven, I'd have to be doing a whole lot of smacking.
It took centuries before the wider world accepted Copernicus' principle that the Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way round. There are people still believe that man has not landed on the moon, despite the mountain of supporting evidence. Carbon dating and starlight analysis has not deterred a community that remain convinced that the universe is no older than 5,000 years. There are large and enthusiastic groups around the world who object to certain forms of immunisation, despite the overwhelming evidence that indicates the revolutionary benefits that these have provided us.
Facts and proof are not always the best methods of changing people's minds, because minds often develop means to subvert or destroy any prrof, no matter how concrete.
The best method of persuasion is for those in positions of power and influence to proclaim that games offer strong cultural benefits. Then, gradually, the tide of negativity toward videogames as a culturally relevant form will turn. This will not happen overnight.
@CaptainBus
Then we have a whole lot of smacking to do.
I'm fully aware that the majority of people are resistant to changing their minds but this absolutely mustn't disuade the open-minded from discussing and arguing until an agreeable truth is reached. Personally, I have little patience for the types of people who cannot be helped - they don't deserve anybody's intellectual energy and attention, when as you say they will only be persuaded when their authorities tell them to think differently.
But I'm not talking about what the greater public think about games being art. That's not my concern.
Then we have a whole lot of smacking to do.
I'm fully aware that the majority of people are resistant to changing their minds but this absolutely mustn't disuade the open-minded from discussing and arguing until an agreeable truth is reached. Personally, I have little patience for the types of people who cannot be helped - they don't deserve anybody's intellectual energy and attention, when as you say they will only be persuaded when their authorities tell them to think differently.
But I'm not talking about what the greater public think about games being art. That's not my concern.
I feel like most of these comments that frustrate you like Otakudad are just plain trolls. However, Mattrodroid is obviously super cereal.
@Bakewell I noticed this too and was really confused at Xero's reaction, should indeed be fixed.
@Bakewell I noticed this too and was really confused at Xero's reaction, should indeed be fixed.
