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Xbox Fanboys stoop to a new low, as does LBP
Clance | 7:00 AM on 10.22.2008 54 comments




So, the latest news coming out of my computer screen, into my ears, round and round my brain and through my fingertips is the news that Metacritic.com, the website that is the shizzle for review scores round-ups, has been inundated (INUNDATED! Not sure if I've ever written/typed that) with low 'User' scores for Media Molecule's LittleBigPlanet.

Right now the game has a Critics score of 95/100 and a 'User' score of 6.3/10. A statement on the website reads as follows:

"Marc Doyle, Games Editor: My advice for our faithful users is to focus your attention on the Metascore for this game and not the thousands of user votes, most of which have been submitted before said users have played the game. This is a gaming community, and if people want to stuff the ballot box, there's not much I can do at this point. When we upgrade the registration requirements for participation on the site in the near future, this type of thing won't happen. We'll post the full legitimate user reviews upon the game's release. As always, thanks for using the site."

(Read: "Fanboys are useless in every way")


Angry Sackboy. Also, picture holds your interest in this story.

WTF!? Is it just me or does this just wreak of desperation? I mean, I don't know whether this sort of thing has happened alot, and I'm sure it goes on in small pockets here and there, but 2130 'User' scores have been submitted here. I mean, shit, a little bit of research reveals Gears Of War (1) has only had 98 User votes and Halo 3 only 1824.

So, my question is: How pathetic is the fanboy situation becoming when people are actively going out of their way to try and smear the name of an obviously brilliant game through the mud and shit?



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power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 07:21
power-glove
It may not be an Xbox fanboy, it could be people over-reacting poorly to the news of the delay.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 07:32
Clance
Fair point, but I think the majority is probably caused by some kind of decision on some form of xbox fanboy forum to go and DESTROY LBP!
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 07:35
SilverDragon1979
Ah whatever. There is no such thing as bad press. Anything that gets LBP in the spotlight will help it sell even better.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 07:37
BlindsideDork
After my dealing with Xbox Live users last night I am leaning towards Clance on how big of douche they are and they might just do this.

I mean look at this...Resistance 2 has a user score of 3.8 from 116 users. HOW?! Dun dun dun...I hate a lot of Xbox Live users.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 07:43
Clance
I don't even know what to think. GoW2 has a 4.4, it would appear... So it goes for both sides. 3.8 is lower though, so I will say on the record that 360 fanboys are worse(!).

Why on earth does Metacritic allow these user scores way before the game's release? Surely they could stop it.

@Silverdragon, you are right... I'm not saying this will in any way at all effect the sales of LBP. This just makes it all the more pathetic.
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:16
seltzermx
While I don't condone fanboyism or rating something without even playing it, I'm sorry to say but I really don't see what's so "brilliant" about LBP.

Sure its cute and it does look like it would make a good platformer, but so far what eveyone seems to be excited about is the ability to make your own maps. And there are some great examples out there: I saw the calculator level and the one that played "To Zanarkand" from FFX, and I admit they were brilliant levels. But assume you were the person that made them. Now what, try to make a level that can do calculus problems? find some other to song to play throughout the level?

I'm sure people are going to be recreating some of their favorite games on LBP, so the question boils down to this: would you rather be playing Resistance 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, etc... or be recreating your favorite maps from said games on LBP?

I don't mean to start a flamewar, but I really just can't understand the obsession with LBP.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:18
free touch
hahaha, because your $60 level editor is getting smacked around by gamers, you automatically think its xbox live people?

Could it be because the players are pissed at sony for delaying a game based on one dickhead?
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:24
njsykora
That message and the user reviews have been on Metacritic for about a month now so its certainly not PS3 owners pissed at the delay.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:26
Clance
@Seltzermx,

1) Stop saying "maps".
2) Yeah, I've seen a great Sonic level remade. Made me want.
3) It is hard to make a platformer like this "look" good. It is when you get into creating and playing it that will be the main pull.
4) Shame you can't see the potential, it's something new and exciting to look forward to that doesn't involve massive guns and blokes with skinheads.

@Free Touch,

"My" $60 level editor? For your information, it's PS3's £45 level creator.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:28
Clance
Njsykora steams in with a Suuuuurrrrr-LLLLLLLAAAM Dunk!
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:30
BlindsideDork
It isn't brilliant..just a good time, cute, and *gasp* FUN!
Rational Animal's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:42
Rational Animal
I sense an onslaught of douchebaggery from the Xbox 360 community on this one.

I ignore user reviews for the most part (except on Dtoid, of course) for this very reason. In a lot of cases, I tend to believe that if people aren't being paid to be objective, they won't be. Although that might represent a disturbing lack of faith in fellow gamers, the number of trolls I witness on the internets on a daily basis makes me feel justified in holding on to that opinion.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:43
free touch
@Blindsidedork: Like WiiMusic?
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:47
BlindsideDork
This just in...Free Touch is troll! Haha.

No, WiiMusic doesn't look like a good time, doesn't look cute(I actually don't know what it looks like), and isn't fun.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:54
Messer
Sonic is waaaaaay better than Donkey Kong.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:55
MrSadistic
The low rating has been around before the whole "controversy" hit.
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 08:56
tazarthayoot
It's not much better with PS3 fanboys either, as Gears of War 2 has an average of 4.4/10 as of right now on Metacritic. Fanboys will be broodish cunts no matter what, that's why you don't pay attention to fan reviews because they're already written with a bias to start off with.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:00
shipero
This kind of thing has been going on in Metacritic for ages. Happens in all the other sections as well. People always try to knock things they don't personally like and boost up things that they do.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:03
Clance
@Tazarthayoot,

Cheers dude, I mentioned that (GoW2 4.4) earlier too. They are all as bad as eachother but this one stands out.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:04
Clance
@Messer, don't go comparing Sonic with Nintendo's reserve team!
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:05
BlindsideDork
Nintendo fanboys are angels and never do anything wrong! :P
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:05
JACK of No Trades
This is what happens when people under the age of 18 get to vote.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:06
Timmeh
Pretty much every website that allows people to rate/review things is exacty the same. It's just how some people are (sad freaks). You only have to look at a popular film on IMDB to see all the 1.0 scores and "OMG WTF WORST FILM EVER" threads.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:13
RICHARD BLOCKER
Oh, stop it. If it's a good game in your opinion, if you have done your own research on it (which as a D-toid regular, you obviously have), just get the game, play it and have fun with it. There is always going to be a fringe element of any section of society. These people are to be chastized as the fools that they are and ultimateley ignored.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:23
Clance
@Ricjard Blocker,

Totally agree how they should be ignored. That avatar is the bee's knees.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:25
Clance
* I must add, my love of blogging on here outweighs my need to totally ignore them! Sometimes I just like to hate them!
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:29
seltzermx
@Clance

1) I meant maps from the other games which you turn into "levels" for LBP. Is there some other esoteric way of calling a level a level? Like calling core "Qore"

2) I'm sure the level looks great, but its original design was meant to played as a Sonic character, so I'd fail to see the appeal of playing it in LBP. It's like playing a remake of a Braid level. I don't think it would work without the magic of Braid.

3) Actually, I think it looks really beautiful. The graphics are impeccable.

4) I definetely see the potential in the concept, I just don't think its implemented well enough. I honestly can't say how it should be implemented, I'm not that creative, but I just feel something could have been done differently. And I know there's more out there than guns and skinheads. I am eagerly awaiting Persona 4, Rythym Heaven and Last Remnant (Although Persona 4 probably has guns too.. hmm..interesting conundrum...)
ZServ's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:36
ZServ
I dont care, why do you?
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:38
Messer
Reserve Team? Donkey Kong was there at the conception, with Jumpman.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:39
Clance
@Seltermx,

"just don't think its implemented well enough"

No disrespect, but you haven't played the game and, from what I hear and see, it looks as though creating all kinds of levels, both replicas of previous games and new ones with imagination, is made simple AND, importantly, fun.

How is it not implemented well enough? It can't really be compared to anything to have any scale and, for a first try, it is astounding. Plus, it has 50 original levels on the disc that make up a good game on their own.

For the record, I love skinheads with guns... Resistance 2 is probably top of my list right now. With LBP a close second.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:43
Clance
@Messer, Mario was somewhere in the mix, dodging DK's barrels back in the day. Anyway, you're probably right so I'm sorry!

@Zserv, I'm a caring guy.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:48
garison
People with Xbox 360's are just jealous of people with PS3s. ~sarcasm~
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:53
seltzermx
@Clance

You're right, its harder to talk about the implementation without playing it, but just by looking at it, and other people playing it, I still feel out of sorts with it.

I think I'm more against the the concept of "make your own game" (I think it was discussed on a recent Podtoid). I work around 60 hours per week, so when I get home I don't want to deal with the hassle of making my own game, and then playing it. Maybe I'm not the target demographic for the game, or I'm not creative enough. Or maybe I'm just lazy.
bmdubya's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 09:54
bmdubya
I agree with Clance. Xbox fanboys are a bunch of douche bags. I only own a 360, and I hate all other users that have one. I work at Best Buy, and these two ass clowns came in the other day and started hating on PS3 for no reason. They were talking about how cheap the 360 is, then went over to the PS3 aisle and were talking how it is expensive and has no games on it and shit. I didn't want to say anything because they looked like they had the IQ of a baby giraffe and I didn't want to get into an argument with them because I knew they would have no idea what I'm talking about.

A good example of this is Seltermx's comments on this post. LBP is an amazing concept, I think. I want to get a PS3 just to play it. I think 360 owners are jealous because they want something different than shooters and sports games, but when a PS3 gets an innovative game, they get jealous and talk shit on it. I know I would love something like LBP on 360. Fanboys just suck balls, no matter what console. They have this weird idea that their console is the only good one, and people should only buy their console. Fuck that. Every fanboy can go suck a d for all I care.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:05
CelicaCrazed
Well that would explain this.

@ seltzermx

It's definitely a game you would need to try yourself before you can get a good judgment on it. I had a great time with the beta and I didn't create any levels. It's just mindless fun and I was laughing the whole time playing online. It's the little things that I find great. Like I'll be picking a level and someone writes "poop" on the back of my head with stickers. Or slapping someone off a platform into fire will they're trying to make a jump. None of it's necessary but it adds enough personality to the game to make it lovable and addicting. And some of the user created levels are just phenomenal. So give it a try before you write it off.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:06
Clance
@Seltzermx,

to be fair, you don't HAVE to create a level. You can just play everybody elses. After about 6 months I reckon we will be talking about some of the best platforming levels around. Hopefully, anyway.

BMDUBYA, well said.

Reminds me of my flatmate (360 owner) who hadn't heard about LBP until about 2 weeks back but said this game alone, just by watching youtube, makes him want to buy a PS3. I think it was the Gears or Halo mock-up that did it, haha.

I think we have reached a point in time where 360 fanboys are not as comfortable as they were in their ivory towers 6 months ago. Things are changing and they are becoming more aware that the PS3 is a force. On the otehr hand, I hope PS3 fanboys don't start getting all up themselves too.
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:18
seltzermx
@BMDUBYA:

I am curious as to how my comments come off as fanboy-ish. I never once said that the PS3 "is teh suxorz" or any of that other crap. I don't criticize PS3 games either. When I purchased my 360 at the time it seemed like a good investment because a year ago it did have more variety and mroe of my friends had it. I'd be just as happy playing Resistance as I am playing Gears. I'm just waiting for God of War 3 or the next Persona installment to hit the PS3 to get one for my self. Its not that I can't afford one (as you pointed out that they defend their console of choice), its just that the Xbox currently satisfies my gamut of gaming interests. And how can you call Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Braid, Castle Crashers, etc.. shooters?

And if I came off fanboy-ish with my sarcastic comment of "Qore", I'm just as annoyed with the "NXE". Its just the fall update for all intents and purposes.

@Clance:

I guess you're right there. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future once I get the PS3 (When God of War 3 comes out) and by then just download the best levels already created.
zell's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:19
zell
wait, are you really butthurt about user reviews on metacritic? and to top it off point fingers? you're the type of person that continues to separate the gaming community.

I own a ps3, 360 and wii...and honestly...LBP doesn't impress me. I played the beta, gave it a bad review on metacritic. it's MY personal opinion, sorry, you can't change what i think.

or wait, maybe i am a xboxfanboyz111o?nee!1!e??leve??n1!1!?

lulz~
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:27
Clance
@Zell,

I'm not butthurt, but my finger is well and truly pointed at scummy fanboys of all kinds.

I respect your opinion and your own score, but when you look at the amount of people scoring the game it is clear that these aren't just beta testers.

They seperate themselves, so don't make them out to be victims and me the bad guy when I am just pointing out the fact that they are pathetic.

I mean, who has shares in Sony or Microsoft?
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:45
Takeshi
Metacritic needs to find a way to sort it out or they should just get rid of those user scores all together.

Well, Final Fantasy 7 got a 9.2 I guess that was before the whole fanboy shit. And MGS4 got a 9.0.

Little Big Planet is a great game. Anyone who thinks it's JUST a platformer couldn't be more wrong. Play the game, try to create a level play a couple good user created levels and you'll see what I'm talking about.
At first it's kinda cool to play a level out of your favorite oldschool game. But those are only well made. I like to see user created levels based on their own imagination. When you see some of those user created levels or levels based on a franchise (something completely different) you know there's going to be a shitload of great ones. The level based on God of War kicked ass. It was smart, good looking, fun to play and not a direct copy.

I really think you gotta play the game before you know what that game really does. It's not like something as COD4, where you will know beforehand that it is 'just' a FPS (a fucking great one but that's a different story). The problem with LBP is that if you want to put it in a corner you will fail. Because it's not just a platformer nor just a level creator.
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:51
Messer
Sorry? That's not going to save Sonics peer review score on Metacritic, is it? Seriously, if you would do your homework, none of this shit would have happened. If we all knew who Donkey Kong was, and who Sonic is, no one would even care what the metacritic score is, but no. No one cares to find out, we only care to look at numbers. No one cares to play the game, that's not enough anymore. It's a social thing now. And I'm not talking about multiplayer here. Now we have to blog about games, discuss our experiences. You, see, this is it. If you can't take the sour with the sweet, don't even bother. If you're one of those people who loves the game but hates on it because you read someone nitpick it apart and now you can't help but look at all the imperfections with contempt, like that one broken pixel on your PSP screen, don't bother. Just remember, Sonic is waaay better than Donkey Kong. And next time you blog about games, highlight the positives.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 10:53
Clance
I just have my heart set on making a zombie level.

Takeshi, great words.

Oh, and Dirt saves L'pool again!
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:00
Clance
Shit Messer I thought you were messin'. Maybe you are and I'm missing something...

Anyway, I'm all about positives. I've written some blogs with positives, you should chec 'em out.

I also don't care what people think about a game I love and am known to like games that often get bad reviews. Assassin's Creed is an example.

I eat turkey with gravy and cranberry at Christmas and that's sour with sweet. I love it all and I play games wayyy too much.

I like your rant. I think you're right.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:06
BluDesign
Hey guys, when you reach a stopping point, can you move this little PS3/360 flametroll discussion over to GameFAQ's so we can clear the cblogs of whiny rants and save room for more pertinent and real discussions?
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:09
Clance
Fuck off
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:11
king3vbo
WTF dude. Just because a bunch of people lower the rating you think it's xbox fanboys? Jesus, this is why we have "fanboy wars" and stupid shit like that
Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:12
Messer
YEah, boiii. Still messin' 'round. That's why I call me Messer. But in all honesty, I call myself Messer because its German for 'knife'.
Clance's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:19
Clance
@King3vbo,

Don't be naive, it is fanboys. How important or significant the fact is is debatable. We have "fanboy wars" because we have fanboys. Freedom of speech guy. I'm just letting people know what the situation is and what I think about it. If fanboys want to start a war they can do it elsewhere. I'd have written the same story if PS3 fanboys had done the same thing.

Messer is German for knife? Wow, that's like a descriptive term. Those things mess you up.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:28
Takeshi
C'mon you guys know what is going on. GoW2 and LBP get sad user reviews. Even before the games are released. That's pretty stupid and it completely fucks up the whole point of having user scores. It's not only 360 fanboys but PS3 fanboys as well.

I love to read what people who're not working for the industry have to say about a particular game but this makes me forget about that. I'll just stick to well written blogs on this site.

And Dir(t)k saved L'pool indeed. Sweet!
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/22/2008 11:59
BlindsideDork
Listen everyone...

I LIKE VIDEO GAMES!
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