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Cheeburga | 2:32 PM on 08.20.2008 59 comments



my game is ass backwards.


You mother fuckers. I'm so glad I'm not the one who threw down 60 dollars or I'd be very upset. How long did it take to develop this game? Years? Well thank you Kojima, thank you for the fucking effort. What I get is a movie with a plot ripped out of the wachowski brothers asshole's that occasionally tells me to take a fucking step forward. Okay, I'm being harsh, I know, but before you ask, YES I PLAYED THE WHOLE THING. There is not something I'm "missing" I got the fucking point. Kojimas crack influenced idea of an "evolution in video game story telling" is just saying "Hey, I fucking ran out of gameplay ideas. Here's some shit you don't care about for 10 hours." No, I'm serious. If I would have skipped every cutscene, which regrettably I did not, the total amount of time actually playing would have accumulated to about Four Fucking Hours. I defecate you not.

I actually enjoyed the other installments of this series, I really did, for the most part, but holy shit did they drop the proverbial "ball" on this one. The game tries to trick you early on into thinking this is "tactical espionage" but it's bullshit. It's like a used car salesman saying "Hey, take this car and you'l get 8 vaginas, and a cup of coffee whenever the fuck you want." Then you drive it thinking you're johnny cool-cat and boom, a spring pokes you in the dick and it's then that suddenly you realize "Oh that salesman, that card, he pulled a fast one on me!" You see, in the early parts in the game, Kojima Productions tries to be innovative by having a non linear path, but usually this "innovation" falls into two options. "Take the way with enemies." or "Take the other way thats safe" Well shit, it seems I've reached a fucking conundrum!

You know that saying "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."? Well, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. The other two hours of MGS4 is played completely different from anything else in the series. I swear I thought I was playing a third person version of Call of Duty 4. Here, I'll try to play it out what was going on at Kojima Productions half way through development.

Dev: "Well, what's next?"
Kojima: "Shoot the fuck out of everything."

A tad unrealistic maybe, but I'm sure I was close.



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Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:42
Y0j1mb0
I'm sorry to tell you this Cheeburger but somebody already beat you to the hating of MGS4 game. Those cool points have been collected already.

Next time you should be more prompt with your hate for the next game critical hailed as great to collect.

Braid has also been taken too, put dibs on Gears of War 2 or Little Big Planet in advance bro.
Danmartigan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:45
Danmartigan
excellent, sounds like a system seller to me
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:45
JACK of No Trades
I expected better from you emo kid.
dephect's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:45
dephect
I think you should be shot.

The game is amazing... anyone who doesn't agree... needs to fall down some stairs.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:47
Wexx
Obvious troll is obvious :)

Seriously though, I think I read an article somewhere about how the action-y sequences in MGS4 reflecting Kojima's feeling for the (games) industry in general, and the whole 'War has Changed' motif that comes up several times in the game. (can't remember if it was on Kotaku or Gamasutra, too lazy to find a link)

And it's not like you can't shoot the fuck out of everything in the other mgs games. You can sneak around get no-kills-no-alarms etc. etc. in mgs 4, but again, War has changed, hence, it will be harder to complete your mission using traditional means.

I have to ask though, if you didn't enjoy the story, why did you keep playing? That's usually an immediate turn-off for me, and one of the main reason that I couldn't beat World of Warcraft, the story was just so non-existent and difficult to follow, I just couldn't bring myself to complete it :P
DarkTravesty's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:53
DarkTravesty
I agree!
taterchimp's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 14:58
taterchimp
I respect your opinion. Even though it comes off as a rant there are valid points hidden well in there. And I know that everyone is going to go crazy.

Hey, yojimbo. Maybe he didnt buy it at launch. Maybe he just rented it now, and got through it the other day. And he didnt like it. Not everyone has to. And like DToiders are encouraged to do on the blogs, he shared his opinion. Stop the hate.

/rant.

OP: Instead of bashing on it with swears and metaphors, you could more clearly outline your points to get across why you didnt like it. Or you could just be doing it to enrage the community and whore comments. Who knows.

/rant
Mr B Natural's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:00
Mr B Natural
It takes a certain level of bad taste to enjoy mgs. It takes an unbelievable amount of bad taste to take something as poorly done as the mgs series and wrap it into some kind of genius bubble.
It's like the Matrix series. To love the whole series is to have bad taste. To think the whole series is some kind of genius is just some kind of dumb that i can't fathom.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:03
MrSadistic
Oh I get it, it's sarcasm.

Right? RIGHT!?
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:04
Anus Mcphanus
I don't get why people have a go at MGS4 because you can shoot your way through the game because you can do that in all the other MGS games as well and in the older games you can also just run past everyone.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:05
PappaDukes
Wow, why don't you tell us how you really feel? ;-)

What I don't understand about your argument is that yes there are essentially 2 routes in any given map; you can take the safe route (most of) the whole way through the game, but all those sweet weapons would just go to waste; so at times you are "coerced" to use brute force.

I personally love the fact that I can take a safe route in a map, but halfway through, I decide I want to fuck shit up. RPG-7, anyone? Or maybe I want to throw some poor bastard to the ground and slice his fucking cockles with my stun knife.
This is called freedom of choice, and I don't see why that makes you so angry. If you don't like it, move to Russia.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:07
SurplusGamer
I'm fairly indifferent to MGS, but even I am finding this a bit of a train wreck.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:08
Usedtabe
Lol @ Chee and MR B Natural. I haven't played MGS4, but your gripes ring true for me for the other games in the series I've played. Well made games, but not games for me.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:10
Cheeburga
Sure are a lot more people than there used to be.

Taterchimp said it best Yojimbo, let people blog about what they want, it's not about being cool, it's me being disappointed with a gaming series I actually liked.

Then they go and fuck it up.

Plus, I like bitching for the sake of bitching.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:11
Usedtabe
Also, lol @ people getting butthurt over your extreme opinion of the game. But, you should have known better Chee. MGS4 was touted as the PS3's white knight by the fanboys.
dephect's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:15
dephect
Also, why is Snakes ass on backwards...
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:15
Mushman
LOL.......................NO

Why the fuck does everyone assume that you have to shoot everything up, when thats not the case???????????

plan your route, learn the guard movements, use patience and keep your cool in the game, then and only THEN you can sucessfully stealth past every mothertrucker in the game.

Stealth is still there, you just need to learn the process to use it.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:18
Cheeburga
Stealth is hiding in a fucking corner. I'm sure if someone has the patience to bring out the stealth aspects in the more action based sequences of the game they can, but that just was not me. But trust me, I did try and it seemed almost impossible, not to mention unreasonable.

Also, if I wanted to review the game, I would have. I can write my cereal blogs when I feel like it, they are there. But this is just me voiceing out my personal gripes with the game.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:23
Holyetheline
Hell yeah Mushman. Patience is the only way.
suncrashesdown's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:25
suncrashesdown
Stealth in this game is not only completely possible, but the most thrilling stealth sneaking in the whole series, IMO. I played through once blowing everything up and had a decent time, but playing through for the 'no kills, no alerts' goal has been a lot of fun for me. If you can't find something to enjoy in MGS4, you're just a grumpy motherfucker.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:25
Mushman
@CHEEBURGA

Fair enough, the game was HARD, but I suppose that's the bit I liked best.

It's not impossible to use stealth during the battlefield sequences, just really,really fucking hard.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:28
Arttemis
MGS4 looked and played wonderfully. The first half of the game was executed very well.

That said, I have serious issues with the story, script, pacing, design, editing, redundancy, length of certain areas, and overall presentation.
Def JM's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:29
Def JM
Never played the game but I respect the your artwork.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:30
Mushman
@HOLYTHELINE

The only way, I felt like I was about to snap the controller in my hands sometimes with pure fustration
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:33
ghets
Sometimes its 2am and i have to go to work in the morning and i think to myself ill just watch this one last cutscene. 30 minutes later im thinking to myself "WHEN THE CHRIST IS THIS SHIT GONNA BE OVER??? I NEED TO FUCKING GO TO SLEEP!!!"
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:34
Cheeburga
There is no excuse for 4 hours of actual gameplay.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:34
Dan CiTi
What are you talking about?
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:37
Cheeburga
Nothing Dan, MGS4 Is the pinnacle of gaming, and as a whole, the best experience that can be played on any gaming system period.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 15:44
Spartacus
If trolling: 2/10

If not trolling: I'm disappointed in you.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 16:32
vexed alex
"I give this attempt at trolling a 3/10. Its very below average. :/ I use to look up to you when it came to being a troll."

Heh.

Trolls rating trolls.
The Duke's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 16:50
The Duke
The one rule of Dtoid is *do not suck*, you fail Cheeburga.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 16:52
Red TheHaze Veron
Youve got to be shitting me.





...oh wait thats just snake.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:20
Cheeburga
Who the fuck is The Duke?
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:21
Cheeburga
Not trolling. So much for voicing your opinion in an over dramatic manner.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:42
AngelsDontBurn
I read this and all I saw was an incredible work of art followed by WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAH. :)
VWGTI's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:49
VWGTI
I wasn't disappointed with the length of the game so much as I was disappointed with how radically different the last three chapters were from the first two. I thought the first two chapters were great! I really enjoyed sneaking about on an open battlefield. Once the third chapter started I was shocked to see how different and boring it was from the first two. The third chapter left a lot to be desired excluding the boss fight. The fourth chapter was only enjoyable for the nostalgic factor and chapter 5 was a little "meh".

I love the MGS series and I enjoyed MGS4 enough to play through it 4 times. When you're going for a no kill, no alert run - 4-5 hours of gameplay is just about right.
thefil's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:50
thefil
I would recommend trying it on a harder difficulty. The game pressures you to be stealthy a lot more. Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of those games that can be really great, but you have to set yourself some rules and play it right. It would probably have helped if they had made you do on-site procurement like in previous titles.
Tamz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:53
Tamz
Someone get this guy a Kleenex!

Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 17:54
Cheeburga
I like people that have brains. Like Thefil, and VWGTI.
<3

Miggles can gargle my skin sack.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 18:04
Cheeburga
Tamz, i love you.
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 18:29
norm9
I find this opinion edgy and against the grain.
DibbityDan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 18:36
DibbityDan
I don't need a car to think i'm Johnny Cool-cat :(
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 18:48
AngelsDontBurn
Hey, I never said it was the best game in the world, but I definitely enjoyed it.

Gargle your skin sack? Aaight, I'm down.

Lululul.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 20:10
Cheeburga
Awesome.jpg
mcbennet's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 20:58
mcbennet
i definitely agree that the cutscenes were at times obnoxiously long..but if it didn't feel like an mgs game that's your fault. you're given the elbow room to take on each scenario however you want. you chose to go guns blazing, other people really use the octocamo and "floor hump" and snake whilst warfare breaks out.
Teta's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2008 23:14
Teta
Ass penis is a WIN.
I love you Chee, have my male children and I will make them wear girl pants just like his other emo dad.
Bizznet's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/21/2008 00:21
Bizznet
Whatever, I loved the Game.
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