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The way I see it, people usually welcome a new Mario game with open arms, no questions asked. they play it, they love it, and they continue to play it as much as they want. But sometimes for whatever reason, people will begin attacking a new Mario game that plays different from the rest of the games. The two notable examples of this are Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario Sunshine. In my opinion, those two games are really fun and are easily make it in my top 10 Mario games. But again, despite the fact that critics loved the 2 games and have sold well enough, the gaming community (AKA the internet) would not care, or even worse openly hate the game. With New Super Mario Bros. 2 out, people are already questioning the game, but this time people are criticizing how similar it is to the other games over how it is different. Before the game is out, people begin to wonder whether or not the Mario series is becoming stale.



First things first, I was quite surprised how fun and addictive NSMB2 was, the coin collecting gimmick was pretty damn fun and I feel as though there's a lot more going on with the level design in this game compared to its "new" predecessors. The level design doesn't feel as empty as the other "new" games. I'm gonna be quite honest, I hated the first NSMB game for the DS, It felt bland, uninspired and insultingly easy. NSMBWii was a step in the right direction (and by step in the right direction I mean the Koopalings are back!), it was a much more rounded game with very fun multiplayer and a better difficulty. Now with NSMB2 I think it was yet another step in the right direction believe it or not. For starters it's about time we had a flying power up again, getting your P meter up to speed rewards you with flight and secret areas filled with rewards. The Mega Mushroom is used the right way as a really rare item to help you increase your score and giving you many more coins along the way, you never feel cheap using it. The level design doesn't feel as empty as the other "new" games and there's much more obstacles and alternate paths to take. Other than that the only criticisms I have is that the music is a copy and paste of NSMBWii and the difficulty took a drop this time around. also the coin collecting gimmick isn't fleshed out fully enough, You can easily clear the game without going coin crazy. maybe there should be a toll on the map like how many coins are needed to advance to the next level or have item houses that act as shops so you can buy the items you want. Instead of it being a game where there's coin collecting, how about a game where it's ALL ABOUT coin collecting.



I consider NSMB2 the best of the "new" series despite it's title being very contradictory. But I don't think that's how the game is gonna go down. I think people will instantly call the game out for it not being as "innovative" as others. The NSMB series has never been innovating to begin with. The only thing that was close was the simultaneous 4 player in NSMBWii. I think in the future NSMB2 will become the third black sheep in the series, the other two being Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario Sunshine (Why is it always the twos!). Super Mario Bros. 2 is a black sheep because it was originally supposed to be another game, "Doki Doki Panic" and for having different game play elements. There's also a Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. 2 that has very hard levels and plays more like a traditional Mario game.

Then you got Super Mario Sunshine introducing the water pack, FLUDD. FLUDD gives a new twist to the game allowing Mario to pull off new jumping tricks and it allows him to hover. Super Mario Sunshine is also the only Mario game to attempt full on voice acting, which sounded awkward (plus how can you hate a game that has yoshi's you can ride on). NSMB2 may not be as loved as much either. It may be doing well in review scores and sales, but I think it's reputation will live up to standards lower than what it was meant to be. People will call it out for being unoriginal and tiresome. I just don't get why it takes only two Mario games in 1 year for people to call the series out for being stale or going old, because I don't think it's stale. It's still providing a lot of very fun and imaginative game play, and New Super Mario Bros. 2 is proof of that.



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Damn fine read. How'd you feel about 3d land? I saw that get a ton of hate as well, personally I love it.
NSB is just to bland to me, look at mario world and yoshi's island, look at mario 1 and 3, the games just look so different in terms of style, NSB does not, they also made the music worse in NSB2.

Its astoundingly mediocre, the coin gimmick isn't that interesting either and the end reward is terrible.
@phil
I loved 3d land. my favorite 3ds game so far, it was like crack to me. But I never knew people hated it. Why must I love things that people hate!?
Ahahaha. Just got on my pc (fuck you phone) and I love your header. Yeah 3D Land was great. It did something no other 3d mario has: made me like a 3d Mario game. I have nothing against any of the other ones, but I like my Mario 2D thank you very much (Zelda and Metroid too). I have nothing against any of the 3D games, just not for me. But yeah, I'm with you on the loving what's hated thing.
Dat header is a pure genius
Mario Sunshine is a wonderful game! the FLUDD brought some interesting ideas to the level design and the overall flow of the game. I personally haven't played NSMB2 but I've heard its a fantastic game more so being just another Mario game.
Yeah my only problem with the NSMB games, like other people, are the aesthetics. They couldn't have gone with a blander look. Gameplay wise they're fine. Playing 4-person on Wii is just an incredibly fun experience, even if very little progress gets made. I may be a part of the problem and buy a Wii U just for the new New Super Mario Bros.

Also, fuck the "new" name. Who was the genius at Nintendo to not only go with that name but CONTINUE to use it as well!?
The strange thing with Mario Bros 2 for me is that I never applied any kind of hate to it. I was a mere child when it came out and I just played the game. Years later, I actually still enjoy the hell out of it, despite it not being a Mario game.

As for Sunshine, I was a teenager and was able to see past my nostalgia factor. The level design just doesn't hold up, despite that game not being the worst thing ever. It's like Twilight Princess to me; It doesn't hold up to the series golden standards, but it's not bad.

I've yet to play NSMB2, even though I've owned it for a week now. I've got a feeling that I'll enjoy it. Magnalon was saying it's his favorite of the "New" games and I was blown away by New Wii. Here's hoping!
black sheep by who?

these "black sheep" ( the new series)

sell more than any other mario anything
@Stealth
Im just worried because it was around the time NSMB2 was coming out that a lot of people and gaming websites claim that the Mario series is running dry, when really i think Mario is doing a damn fine job. Like I said, I consider NSMB2 my favorite of the "new" series but I think it's reputation down the line is gonna go down because of what people are saying. 

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