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When the world is falling to ruin, it is very important to know which side you are on. If you just happen to be the one doing the ruining, great, good for you. You are pretty evil and people definitely hate you. However if you're on the side doing the hating, you know, of the evil guy, it is also very important that you ally yourself with reliable friends.

In the world of gaming this act of camaraderie is referred to as "Co-op."

The goal in any co-op mode is to work together to complete common objectives. It makes perfect sense! Why do what one person can do when more can do it better and faster?!?! However my experiences have proven time and again that this dream theory brings with it more chaos than any mob of baddies could ever have wrought down upon my blistered thumbs.

What I mean of course, is that friends, nay ANY ally, when converted to virtual sprites and polygons, are the most evil creatures you will ever meet. Just picture it, if you and your friends were basically immortal and on a quest to save the world, how many times would you f**k with them just to do it?

Exactly. 

Have you ever tried playing The Legend of Zelda: The Four Swords for the Gamecube with three other friends? You will spend more time burning each others asses with fire rods, pushing purple Link down chasms, and slicing each other from nape to chops instead of actually progressing the plot. And the greed factor is thrown in there to increase the fighting. Who gets what weapons, and "Oh no, blue has the most rupees, push him into spikes until he dies and poops 'em out for us to steal!"

The horror doesn't end there. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles is also pretty brutal on the greed side. You're a group of four adventurers stuck together within a seven foot radius of a chalice filled with magic tree water. The one stuck carrying the chalice gets shit, and there's always that one guy who stands back, waits for the kill, and swoops in for the treasure... that guy I call "Sam." So basically, it's a bitch-fest until we get the guy to divvy the loot, which he kind of does, but still keeps like, 50% of it. Jackass.



Some more recent examples of games that bring about these feelings of anger are Left 4 Dead and New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I mean, I can't even tell you how many times I've been online playing the L4D campaign only to get hit by a Hunter halfway through and witness no one coming to my rescue. Which is very stupid because they all end up dying after that anyway. And NSMBW is a major betrayal-fest, when you're getting eaten by a Yoshi and then spit out into a hole or getting blocked on a jump so that you slide to your death. It's just... why can't people be nice?

The only exception to the co-op rule that I've found is if you're fighting against another group of live players. If you're actually kicking other peoples' asses, its okay to team up, everything is cool, let's work together, yeah yeah yeah. But you replace those online players with bots, and all sense of the word "comrade" suddenly disappear.

Maybe its just me, maybe I just play with a bunch of douche bags, but if there was one perfect example of evil in videogames, my answer would a thousands times be co-op. Nothing brings about more hatred, malice, and corruption than sitting in a room with three people and fighting over virtual goods.








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Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 10:27
Jon B
I partially contribute to the "douchebag co-op partner" you talk about here.

My apologies.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 10:51
Nic128
We can be douchebags when we're with friends, friends forgive and forget, right?

*Throws Red Link in the hole to reach the pile of gems first*
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 11:06
socialnorms
Hell, people are douchebags in competitive when they're on your team. I still run into assholes who will kill you for the sniper rifle, and my game then changes to making theirs hell.

I liked your line about "poop Rupies." Good blog!
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 11:06
CelicaCrazed
Back in the day playing Sonic the Hedgehog on the Genesis, if I was ever Tails I'd always fly Sonic into the spikes. It never got old.

Also, Four Swords Adventure FTW!!!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 11:12
Elsa
LMAO!!! Good blog! Yeah, human greed is a fact of life... even if it's over virtual items! :)
copilotlindy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 13:01
copilotlindy
I played 4 swords with three of my friends. One of them didn't take it seriously and was just trying to screw with us the whole time, he definitely ruined the experience. We kicked him out when we played crystal chronicles, and it was a much more fair, democratic game. The guys I game with now are pretty good about evenly divvying loot, when we play Killing floor we always share money and such. I guess it's just the company you choose to game with.

That said, I loathe playing co-op with people I don't know in Uncharted 2. Sometimes I feel like people intentionally suck at that game to grief me. I'm right here! Revive me, douchebag! Grr...
Capm Trevo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 18:26
Capm Trevo
@Jon B && @Nic 12: You know, I'm not so completely innocent myself, I definitely did some payback in those games which didn't really help the situation, but DAMN was it satisfying.

@Socialnorms: Yeah, teams online can also have that affect, its just seems less likely because you're actually playing against other people already. Some kind of subconscious thing, I dunno.

@CelicaCrazed: My sister did that to me ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
Pixelated Lilac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 23:05
Pixelated Lilac
When most of the Co-Op conversations devolve into...

*cue Resident Evil 5*
Me: Hey, here's an ammo bo-
Partner: You take it.
Me: No no, you take it.
Partner: No, you take it.
Me: NO U.
Partner: Okay, how much ammo do you have? That's how we'll settle this.
Me: Uh.. it looks like 15 rounds.
Partner: HA! I have 21... you get the am- *get decapitated by Afro-Salvador*.

...yeah... it's hard not to just take the simple route and take whatever you want.
Neo Rena's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 22:16
Neo Rena
Ah, this reminds me of Borderlands...
And when my "supposed" best friend swooped in and grabbed an EPIC shield even though my poor soldier was stuck with some piece of crap...
It kept coming back to bite him in the ass since I WAS THE FREAKIN' HEALER!
It's like he doesn't even know the first rule of co-op: PROTECT THE FUCKING HEALER!
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 22:28
pedrovay2003
This has happened to me a LOT in New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Same always happened with Battletoads, too.
Jeff Cusack's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 22:47
Jeff Cusack
My level 39 beserker in Borderlands is stuck with a measly level 22 epic smg because of co-op douches...
stokesy7's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 23:09
stokesy7
In new Mario bros it's rediculas! Me and 2 buddies played through the whole game in one sitting and the whole time it was them stealing items and throwing me down holes!
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 23:10
-PL-
Gotta look out for #1. I'll jump on luigi's head to prevent falling in a ditch. He shouldn't have been down there.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 00:26
readbigwordsisgood
Am enjoying L4D2, but am baffled by people demanding to be revived while I'm fighting off a hoard successfully, usually by using the available cover- with a machete standing in a doorway somewhere.

@copilotlindy
I can understand the, 'I'm right here! Revive me, douchebag! Grr...' sentiment.

I can't understand people trying to Rambo a hoard by standing out in the open, where they can be surrounded- then demanding you kiss their boo-boo.

Can team mates realize you might be busy when a hoard attacks? Am I wearing a smoking jacket and flipflops?

Such is life when you are playing public co-op.
Gee-Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 00:35
Gee-Man
Yeah, I totally can't stand the douchebags who purposely don't revive you so they can get more kills/rupees/exp/etc. Okay, now you have 100 more $/coins/rupees but I died in the process, does that make you feel better on the inside?
Prostate Punch's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 00:40
Prostate Punch
its funny cause all the moments that you hate... is EXACTLY why i play with my friends. cause being dicks to each other is hilarious.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 02:17
akathatoneguy
I'm really surprised that Streets of Rage went without mention in the article and comments thus far! How awesome was it to either beat the crap out of your buddy during the game or betray them at the final boss?
SixthHero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 03:50
SixthHero
My co-op experience with New Super Mario Bros. Wii wasn't so much evil as it was hilariously tragic.

My friends and I are the best at that game. And by best I mean one of us had used up at least 10 continues by the time we got to world 2.
Capm Trevo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 05:11
Capm Trevo
Omg... it got promoted to the front page... you have no idea how freakin excited I am right now

*spinning in a circle going "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"*


Also, I had almost forgotten about Battletoads and Streets of Rage, both great co-op games filled with greed and douche-baggery.

And I've been playing the crap out of Borderlands, but I guess the only people I've co-opped with so far have been pretty good about sharing. Still i feel like I should have mentioned it.

Also, THANK YOU DESTRUCTOID.
Capm Trevo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 05:12
Capm Trevo
Haha, and thanks for the random image of NSMBW.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 05:31
Sexualchocolate
I don't rate co-op vs AI, just don't rate any vs AI gaming really.

But I'm currently playintg MAG beta, and whether it comes from..

Extra xp
The whole joining an army and sticking with them (camaraderie)
The fact you tend to spawn a way back from objectives
The way you need as many people as possible working on the objectives

Or something I've missed, people are VERY team oriented, when you go down, you see medics literally dying trying to get to you, was squad leader last night and the whole squad followed all orders, despite me dropping some artillery on them at one point (whoops).

It's something about knowing that there are 128 enemies trying to ruin your objectives, you're going to need all the help you can get! Heal them wounded soldier!!!

- MAG addiction forming, need help.....
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 07:06
Jon B
@Sexualchocolate
I think it's the same concept as TF2. Alone, you are completely useless. As a group, you actually have a chance at success.

Also, how's the game's internet lag? It's one of a few games I plan to pick up along with a PS3.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 08:20
Sexualchocolate
@ JonB, I can safely say, been playing for a week now, like every spare moment i have and have not seen one instance of lag at all. i'm quite shocked, was expecting (in the beta especially) to be at least some lag, somewhere! But no, not a fucking drop mate. - Yet to see how it copes with the whole world playing though, limited beta numbers might be helping fight lag.

Something else I put down to the lack of players is how long it can take to get into a match, I don't fully understand the que system, but it can sometimes take ages to get into a big 256 player match.

I saw one floating, flickery body, about 3 gamefeet off the floor, just flashing between two animation frames but apart from that (and the less than stellar, but acceptable graphics) i have had zero problems with MAG. I'd imagine they will balance it a bit more as it seems for the last couple of days at least SVER have been pissing all over everyone.

I'm wounded this afternoon, was just a squad leader on a 256 player domination map, SVER (us) were fully owning, my squad completing my objectives all the way through to the main base, with a little help from my airstrikes, about 15 mins left to finish them off....

Then my fucking alarm to say "Put the game down and go back to work now!" goes off.

Fucking work always getting in the way of my gaming.
joshscorcher's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 08:32
joshscorcher
But being a prick is half the fun!
Mauller's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 09:12
Mauller
Sounds like when my friend and I play any co-op game. Halo 3 I get a grenade stuck to the back of my head if he wants my shotgun shells. Playing Diablo 1 on PS1 was great. So many bugs that just encouraged us to kill each other. Most games one of us will just stop killing things and run for the loot while the other is getting swarmed. We always divide it fairly later but for us it's half the fun.

Playing Left 4 Dead with my other friends, there's almost always one of us who'll blow up a propane tank or a gas canister while everybody is standing next to it. Ahhhh, good times. Hell, we've even started making tactics of it. One will carry a propane tank into a swarm of zombies and get incapped and one of us will shoot it and destroy the horde.
Rainydays's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 09:28
Rainydays
"Halo 3 I get a grenade stuck to the back of my head if he wants my shotgun shells"


Hey! Sometimes that's an accident. I do say oops, after all. But you do get revenge on me all those times you died and the shotgun flew off the level, so all I got was 1 less plasma grenade from all my hard work
Mauller's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 09:37
Mauller
@Rainydays

We had better failures in Diablo 1. You'd randomly turn and fire a shot at me for no reason, or firewall me while I'm swarmed by skeletons.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 12:17
Darren Nakamura
You just explained exactly why Zelda: Four Swords is so incredibly awesome. Four player competitive co-op is amazing.

I've had much better luck with co-op on Left 4 Dead, as the only competition there is "Who can grab these pills first."
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 14:09
KingSigy
I can definitely attest to this in NSMBW, but mainly because my friends are awful at it. Four Swords I actually never killed my friends off.
Webnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/27/2009 21:22
Webnet
The game is only as fun as the people our playing with. One of my favorite experiences was playing GRAW 2 with my buddies on xbox live, the shear amount of randomly generated generic insurgent enemies left me no time to think about back stabbing. Working together and that rush you feel once beating the enemy as a team is enough to keep me playing like the devs designed... Strangely I was notorious among my friends for killing my partner in crackdown... Those rockets exploded so nicely :) especially when they hit people named Kyle
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2009 22:32
DemonEyes23
F-ck Four Swords!
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