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Bullshit: The Ripper
Canti-sama | 6:36 PM on 10.09.2009 24 comments


I would like to take a few minutes of your time to rant (what else do I do...) about a little something I saw on our beloved Destructoid's front page a couple of days ago: the killer Jack the Ripper, arguably the most infamous murderer in history, was getting a game based around him/his story. Interesting, I thought, I wonder if it'll be an adventure-style game or perhaps a horror game; this sounds pretty cool!

A day later and I see this:

"When you think of Jack the Ripper, you think of a psychopathic serial killer right? Well, what if everything we knew about Jack was wrong? What if Jack the Ripper was actually a good person, killing to save other people’s lives?"

Huh...that's kind of weird. Where might they be taking this? My mouse scrolled down the page to read some of the most frustrating words I've ever read:

"That’s the Jack our sources tell us you're going to experience in The Ripper. He’s a supernatural slayer protecting people from demons, vampires and other evil monsters. And seeing as how this is Visceral Studios, don’t expect your typical, played-out demons. Instead, imagine a cross between the monsters from Dead Space and Dante’s Inferno. Jack will have an assortment of over-the-top weapons to take on these demons, and we're told gameplay involves a special ability that lets him slow down time, too."

...

"What do you all think of this potential re-imagining of Jack the Ripper?"

Well, let me tell you how I feel: alright man, where are the cameras? Seriously, you got me, that was pretty good, but the joke's over, come on, come out and tell me this is a gag. Please...Please come out and tell me this isn't true! This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read! Really, I'm dead serious, show me the cameras, or I'm suing the producers for brain damage, because this is the dumbest shit I've ever read.


You, Visceral Games, have the opportunity to make, one of the few games to ever be based upon the infamous Ripper slayings, one of the single most studied and followed crimes of the 19th century, and you want to make it a God of War clone? Are you shitting me?! Really sink this into your heads people; not only is Jack the Ripper a hero, but he's also fighting demons for the sake of all Britain and the Earth itself. Awesome. Why don't we just make a game about how Osama Bin Laden is actually not so bad a guy and goes back in time to defeat Robot Hitler before he takes over Eastern Europe? How about we make a game about Stalin leading his armies to defeat an alien invasion. Oh wait...

Not only is this basically the most ludicrous thing I've heard in a while, and believe me, I've heard some pretty crazy shit, it's also one of the most offensive things I've ever heard. They're making a serial killer a good guy and making him fight demons? Do I even need to continue to tell you how stupid this crap is?

Now let's be fair here, the killings are almost 200 years old, we've had time to grow up. While we're at it, it's still in good taste to make jokes about 9/11 right? I mean, it's been a few years. The holocaust? Game on, I'm down. Hell, let's just go on and say it; fuck the slaves, what a bunch of dumbasses. Why get onto a boat full of white slavers and then bitch about being enslaved? Idiots.

See how offended you'd be if I made that joke in earnest? American slavery was around way before and much longer than Jack the Ripper, so why shouldn't the idea of turning Jack the Ripper into a good guy not offend you? Now I know the death of five prostitutes isn't really on the same level as the enslaving and abusing of an entire race of people for hundreds of years, but really, isn't a tragedy a tragedy?


Sure, the game hasn't come out yet, in fact, not much is known at all about it, but the concept itself is just so dumb. Is there any intelligent way to approach it? Let's think of several ways a game based around Jack the Ripper could be played:

1. You are, in order, from Mary Ann Nichols to Mary Jane Kelly, the victims of Jack the Ripper. In this horror game, you take up the persona of each girl and each night ends in your death by the hands of the Ripper. You must run, scream, seek help, and even try and fight the Ripper, a cloaked man with the presence of a ghost, but no matter how much you try, you die in the end by the Ripper's hand. It could be incredibly atmospheric, with it being set in the cobble-stone, fog-laden streets of Whitechapel.

You could even have different visions of Jack each time, with one girl seeing him as an impenetrable, unstoppable mountain of a man (she, as in you, can stab him multiple times to no effect, perhaps even resulting in him laughing it off) while another sees him as the devil himself, taking a psychological horror approach as she hallucinates horns coming out of his head.


2. You play as a Whitechapel Metropolitan Police Officer who follows the murders of the Ripper and seeks that justice is carried out upon him. The officer is depressed though; he is going through an abysmal divorce with an abusive and terrible, completely irredeemable woman, who actually berates you and contacts you to insult you and others throughout the game. However, there's a twist; there would be a moral choice system in which you could frame various people whom you know to do evil things throughout the game.

First it would be a thief who killed a shop owner out of fear of being caught, then it could be a pedophile, then it could be a doctor who poisons patients, or any number of other things, like a doctor who sells cadavers to necrophiliacs. The game would keep pushing you to put these people away for crimes they didn't commit, truly asking you to define justice. These people would have various reasons why they would not be caught by the police at a later time, meaning they would escape if you don't frame them.

You would be split; do you put away an "innocent" person for crimes they didn't commit, even though in the players mind it would be for crimes they actually did commit, or do you let these people free to seek the actual Ripper. The ultimatum would come at the end; you never find the Ripper, but instead you find the right amount of evidence to put away the woman who has made the Officer's life hell for years. It's the pinnacle of the framing system; do you put away this truly evil, violent, vile woman, or do you stay on the path of justice to inevitably turn up empty and let the crimes go unpunished?


3. You play as fictional brother of one of the murder victims, and you take up the duty of capturing the maniac. You prowl the streets at night, shake people for information, even get into a couple of fights (Not too many, this isn't Yakuza...) with the scum of the streets, and gather information about the Ripper. There would be an intimidation system in which if you press too hard, people will lie to you to get you off of them, or if you aren't hard enough, they'll lie to you to get you to go away.

Some of the information you collect could even be fake for other reasons; people don't see well, incriminate the wrong people, and you could even end up finding, even killing, the wrong person because of people that lied to you or gave you false information.

That's just three, and don't those sound pretty cool? I'd like to think they do, and I'm pretty certian that they are more mature, more interesting, and just plain better ideas that "Jack the Ripper is Dante/Kratos." The real issue with the idea is that there's no reason for it to have anything to do with Jack the Ripper. They went out of their way to choose an already famous subject for a most-likely crap action game. Why?

Sales. They could have picked any number of ways to have an action game in 19th century England, but they chose Jack the Ripper because people will buy it. Sure, other people have made successful steam-punk aesthetic action games, but instead, they chose to put that concept onto a historical event that has no business being associated with anything of that nature.


Not only that, but they choose to glorify a murderer? Sure, in the game, he probably won't be, but then why choose the Ripper in the first place?! No one knows who he/she was, so the only interest people have in him/her is who the fuck they were and why they killed people! Sure, Wolfenstien and Bionic Commando had Hitler in them, but at least he was still evil! They went out of their way to turn a psychopath into a hero, when they could have very well just done the same thing with a fictional character, which would be a thousand times less stupid/offensive.

This idea is so dumb, I actually almost forgot to bitch about the single-most overused gameplay mechanic of all-time: slowing down time. We've played the hundreds upon millions of games that allow you slow or stop time. Why is this still around? No game that uses it today does it well, and when you think about it, did any game ever do it well? Time mechanics blow, moving on.

EA, next time you want to contract out to make an action game, why not choose a story or an event that is conducive to actually being an action game? Sure, Dante's Inferno is a stretch, but at least it was based upon literature, not a real-life serial killer. Not only that, but did you executives actually read, I mean really read, the description of the game? If that didn't strike you as the most offensive, ridiculous, and insensitive thing you read that day, then come see me; I'll knock some fucking sense into you idiots.



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BenelliM4's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/09/2009 20:52
BenelliM4
Hmm... After reading your rant, I can see what you mean. Jack the Ripper was a maniac. He should not be glorified. He should go down through history as the worst Briton to live.

But what if we took your third idea, and had the victims' brothers hunt down The Ripper and dispel Whitechapel of his Underworld army! Using all the same weapons and abilities as Jack would have had in the game, but you switched from brother to brother as the game advanced? And then a final fight with The Ripper to drag him back to the circle of Hell from whence he came.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/09/2009 21:02
Kraid

This gai! Eez un-fucking-believable!
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/09/2009 23:00
Canti-sama
BenelliM4: That'd be fucking badass lol It'd be a little odd in a game with no supernatural trappings in it, but it would be pretty awesome for a game with a paranormal twist!

Kraid: Walken be with us...
PanOpticon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 04:10
PanOpticon
If Visceral Games can do something like this I have some other game suggestions:

(1) You play as Hitler trying to stop our reality from being invaded by demons from another dimension, your actions are misconstrued as aggression and you then have to fight both the demons and the Allies. Throughout the game you eventually learn that the holocuast was caused by the demons ritually sacrificing humans to summon more of their kind.

(2) You play as Joseph Stalin and find that a zombie plague has spread rapidly through the peasants and collective farmers in your country. Arming yourself with a chainsaw and machine gun you set out to personally save your country and the world from infaction, killing millions to save the entire human race.

(3) You play as Charles Manson and stumble upon a Cthulhuian cult in Southern California. You and a small band of followers must fight the evil cult leaders who are disguised as normal well-respected citizens. You must do this while avoiding the cult controlled police and without losing your sanity.

In all seriousness, using the persona of Jack the Ripper as a protagonist (even in a supernatural setting) is in bad taste. You disrespect the victims if you fictionalize the events. Please Visceral, don't do this!
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 07:20
Stevil
@Kraid: You've been watching The Spoony Experiment HAVEN'T YOU!

*puts a cigar in his mouth* Aaaah-om!

This new version on the other hand? No thanks. It's the dumbest thing I've heard since the now (thankfully) cancelled Taxi Driver game.
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 12:00
Canti-sama
Oh God, please tell me about this Taxi Driver game. How do you adapt Taxi Driver into a game!? There's only like 3 action scenes and the rest is internal monologues!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 12:22
Elsa
Nicely said and I agree with most everything you said here. Their "Jack the ripper" concept is simply ludicrous.
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 14:12
Stevil
@Canti: You didn't know about Taxi Driver? Oh man, it was a game that completely missed the point of the movie. You played Travis in a story set after the movie where he avenges the death of Cybil Shepard's character. It was basically a clone of Driv3r but with GTA taxi side-quests. This was back in 2005. They were about 70% done or something before the publishers canned it.

sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 15:07
sheppy
I hate to be the voice or derision here but once again, is it popular to bitch about alternative world histories or dramatic reimaginings? It seems real easy to point at this and go "harumph, that's not ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED thus this project should be taken seriously." Before pointing to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I have a simple question.

Are you fucking kidding me? Gaming has had a long as fuck history or taking historical events and throwing ridiculous "what ifs" into the mix. Even if we ignore Red Alert, the evidence is so overwhelmingly against your arguement that this is somehow new and disrespectful that I don't really see where you are coming from. But is this a games exclusive? No, no it's not.

Literature has been doing the exact same thing for centuries, On my book rack RIGHT NOW is a trilogy that asks the ever so reasonable question, "what if Napeleon had Dragons?" Basically what you are doing right now is taking the stance that SOMEHOW games have to be taken seriously and as such ANY historical events they tackle have to somehow be accurate. That's cute, but putting those limitations on this industry is akin to saying "imagination be damned, it HAS to get things right." It's a childish bitch and even more ridiculous than what you claim to be offensive.
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 15:41
Canti-sama
Sheppy: I think you're kind of missing the point. I have no problem with altering history, hell I think Inglorious Basterds is Tarinino's best film! My problem is that they didn't just "alter" history; they are perverting a historical event for no particular reason. I think the offensiveness of the situation is overshadowed by the ridiculousness of the concept. I pointed out any number of ways they could do a game based off of Jack the Ripper, one of which is about a character that never existed, i.e. alternate history, and all of them are more somber, more interesting, and just plain better than a game about Jack the Ripper being a demon slayer. They have a chance to make a historical adventure game or a historical horror game, something that is a rarity in this genre, even rarer for the results to be worth anything.

We know Visceral has the know-how, hell they aren't the History Channel doing a war game, but they chose to take an idea that is just as ridiculous as it is actually offensive. What if they chose instead to do a game about Jeffery Dahmer where he was actually a hero, and instead of being a sexual predator and murderer, much like the Ripper, he slayed demons? The only reason you aren't getting into a hustle about a game based upon Jack the Ripper being a hero is because the murders have been turned almost mystical; they aren't victims, but rather history. Dahmer, Jack, Gien, they're all murderers, but only one of them can be turned into a demon slayer without everyone getting into a hissyfit. That is bullshit. 5 women were brutally murdered by a maniac, and by changing these events for the purpose of financial gain is ridiculous. Alternate History is different from perverting it with idiocy; Red Alert is alternate history. Jack the Ripper as a demon slayer is bullshit.

Stevil: That's ridiculous...
de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 19:42
de BLOO
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Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 19:55
Canti-sama
de BLOO: You're my hero lol i wasn't aware I had to earn the DTOID font! Thanks a ton though bud! Don't think I've forgotten your many comments :D
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 20:11
sheppy
Ah, but Canti-sama... here is the issue in a nutshell.

You CLAIM your ideas will make better more interesting games. K, Jack the Ripper is public domain, make it yourself. Because the biggest problem I see with your concepts are all wrapped up in a single question, "Will it sell?" The industry has proven time and time again that no, in fact it would not sell. Even VERY mainstream attempts to reimagine Jack the Ripper has failed commercially. Your concepts, in other words, is a REALLY great way to lay off ~100 talented game makers for the sake of art.

Meanwhile, to take the opposite approach, have you seen/played this game? You obviously know so much about it. Well, not really. All you have is the boiler plate description. This is basically the marketing buzzwords to get EA to finance the project. I'm sure there is more to it that Jack the Ripper: Demon Hunter. And until we see exactly where the project is going, I find it beyond ridiculous to condemn the project. Hell, we don't even have concept art. Is the core of the game stupid? Consider this, Oda Nobunaga is the villian of the Onimusha series. This was the man who introduced guns to Japanese Warfare and managed to almost unite Japan, and he's running a crew of demons, yo.
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 20:58
Canti-sama
sheppy: So the ideas I came up with are bad because they wouldn't sell? Then by that logic, Blade Runner, Citizen Kane, Fight Club, and many other groundbreaking, terrific films are pieces of shit, because they made fucking NOTHING in theaters. Okami? Piece of shit. Valkyria Chronicles. Give me fucking break. Garbage. Psychonauts. Worst thing ever. Taking risks for the sake of having good games is the last thing we want to do; we need more games about some asshole killing demons, because that idea isn't the most tired bullshit ever. After that, why not make a FPS based in WWII from the Allied Forces perspective? Master. Fucking. Piece.

No I haven't seen the game. No I haven't played the game. No, they don't even have concept art. But you know what? Who gives a shit? You know what I have? I have some douchebag ruining a perfectly good idea by turning into another fucking demon killing game. It could be the most solid action experience of it's respective year, it could be a perfectly unoffensive piece of videogame art, and you know what? I'll still say "That was good, now how about we get something that isn't about killing demons." I'm not sure if you can accept this, but some people are fucking sick of the same concept being pushed on us over and over again. Timeshift is a great FPS, with terrific multiplayer and a great Single Player Campaign. It doesn't change the fact that we have about 10,000 other FPS's that use time mechanics.

The videogame industry is stagnated with the same shit, and we need things to break the mold. Risks have to be taken, and it's up to game designers to take those risks. Is it worth losing your job over? No, but think about how much more money something like Katamari Damacy made over some generic FPS. Am I saying I want someone to risk their job for the sake of art? no, I want them to remain where they are. Do I want them to push new, different ideas? Of course. On that thought, think of Silent Hill 2, which I've talked about tons. It's one of the greatest games ever with plenty of artistic relevance, and it sold millions. Why would a similar horror game like mine not sell? A little buzz and some good reviews go a long way.

By the way, you realize that Onimusha is based upon actual Japanese mythology about Nobunaga; it's a popular historical legend that Nobunaga was possessed by demons. Is it really a stretch to give him an army of them? No. Is he still basically evil? Oh yeah. It blends history, fiction, and mythology, so if you're using this as a situation similar to jack the Ripper, you need to come up with a better one.
Cyndrin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 21:21
Cyndrin
Canti, let's be serious here. If, hypothetically, IF we were to make a game that did follow the timeline of events following the Allied forces during WWII, it would be absolutely groundbreaking. No game has ever truly captured the essence of WWII. It's practically an unexplored genre.

The Jack the Ripper game is simply just the same as most other demon killing games: Bayonetta, Van Helsing, DMC, etc etc. Used and abused systems. Now, if we were to play a game from the point of Jack, and, knowing that Jack mutilated his victims, ripped their insides out, and sexually pleased himself with them. I'm not even kidding. So, why couldn't we use this to our advantage, and turn it into a rhythm based game? I'm feeling Elite Beat Agents: AHHHHHHHH! Jack the Ripper Edition. "Helppppppppppp!" "All agents, GOOOOOO!" *Cue Don't Fear the Reaper*

As for Katamari, it started out as a humble, yet weird Japanese game, that didn't sell all too well. Then they made a sequel. It sold a little better. Then the 360 version. It sold like hotcakes, and people realized how good the older ones were. So, I think they need to start making shitty games for old series so people realize how good the old games were. (See: Sonic, Mario Kart, Mortal Kombat)

Also, Onimusha 3 had Jean Reno. Need I say more?
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 21:24
Canti-sama
Cyndrin =
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 22:11
sheppy
Canti, I know you're trying to say something here but at the end of the day, Visceral Games is a company in the business of making money. Should they pursue your concepts of what a Jack the Ripper game should be? Possibly. You willing to house and feed the 100+ families out of work as the studio shutters? Highly doubtful. You can wax poetic about the higher arts and some great grand tradition pointing towards works of art that ultimately destroyed peoples careers (Orsen Welles died in debt with a directing career very similar Uwe Boll and the Hurst Empire crumbled fighting that movie, RESEARCH). What you want is not a game, you want a human sacrifice.

And as I said before, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME? You know the pitch. You know LESS than what's on the back of a DVD. When was the last time THAT was considered an adequate amount of information? You would THINK that a company toying with one of the worlds most infamous serial killers with clear evidence of schitzophrenia (assuming the three letters sent where from the same person) would be looking at Jack as the hero in a sort of Don Quixote sort of way. But once again, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. Assumption in either direction is beyond retarded.

Also, in regards to the Oda myth, you're right, some demonology was romanticized about him, especially in the Meiji era when Japan, struglling to deal with a massive identity crisis, began pinning the loss of culture and identitiy on foreigners, christians, and the man who introduced guns into Japanese warfare, Oda Nobunaga. He was the bastard that started the events which would lead towards the sword banning act. In other words, that mythology was started long after he met his death, an enforced suicide by one of his generals. The demon myth, however, is constantly perpetuated by popular culture. But fine, the Onimusha reference wasn't blatant enough. Of course it's not like they haven't done stories where Oda Nobunaga was really an Alien, and Angel, or of course the Christian Christ... oh wait. Allow me to put an final nail in your arguement.

Pure Blasphemy! Get'em!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU67r0-QgZs
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/10/2009 22:39
Canti-sama
If I didn't know any better sheppy, I'd say you were doing this for the sake of argument and not because you believe what you say ("Allow me to put the final nail in you arguement", "RESEARCH", etc.) That aside, I love how you assume that I want game designers to lose their jobs for good games. I said risk is what moves an industry forward, and without it, we get the same games over and over again. In fact, I believe I even said that I wouldn't want someone to lose a job over it. This is called you putting words in my mouth.

Secondly, I have the concept of the game that was given to me and then I was asked, not me specifically, but everyone, what I thought about it, so I responded. I make tons of baseless assumptions and things that have no real basis in fact because I don't have enough information. So, yes, I am making assumptions. But you know what? I'm not arguing with anyone and I'm not having my opinion be stated as fact. I'm saying what I currently think of the concept, and I am expressing my opinion on it based upon what I know to be available information-wise about the game. I'm saying the idea itself is laughable, boring, borderline offensive, and you're telling me to withhold judgment until it is out and playable. Fair enough, I can see your point.

But think about it, I mean really think about it; how much farther can the concept go? If that is what the game will basically be, Jack the Ripper as a good guy fighting supernatural/paranormal enemies like demons and vampires, then who says I don't have a right to call a preemptive bullshit on it? You know? I want them to prove me wrong. I want them to do it, and shove it in my face. You know why? Because then there would be one more good game to be able to enjoy. Until then, I have my opinion that this game's concept is ludicrous. At the end of the day, I think it's basically pointless to argue with you about this; I think it's dumb bullshit, you think it isn't or is, or whatever the fuck you think (You haven't stated your opinion on it, another reason I think you're arguing just to argue with me). I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise, and you won't be able to convince me otherwise, but don't act like you're doing the world a favor by doing it.

By the way, next time, actually read my article before you want to argue it: "How about we make a game about Stalin leading his armies to defeat an alien invasion. Oh wait..."

tl;dr: Leave it at this, arguing is pointless, I call bullshit, you think I'm full of shit, I tell you that I mentioned Stalin vs. Martians in the article therefore making you're "final nail" not really worth a damn, etc.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2009 10:46
sheppy
My opinion of Jack the Ripper the Game is easy enough to understand. Not enough is known to form a valid opinion. Whether it's good or bad or just stupid is one of those things I can't form an opinion about. After all, one of my favorite NES games stars a digital Kabuki shutting down an errant computer virus and your main weapon is your hair... sounds stupid, right? Now what about an italian plumber entering a mushroom kingdom? In fact, when you get right down to brass tacks, a vast majority of game/movie/book plots are quite a bit of stupid.

I made the comment about wanting a human sacrifice because of this reply.
"So the ideas I came up with are bad because they wouldn't sell? Then by that logic, Blade Runner, Citizen Kane, Fight Club, and many other groundbreaking, terrific films are pieces of shit, because they made fucking NOTHING in theaters. Okami? Piece of shit. Valkyria Chronicles. Give me fucking break. Garbage. Psychonauts. Worst thing ever. "
Not the article itself. And yeah, I didn't miss the Stalin vs Martians reference, I just forgot about it, so I screwed up there. I do believe our debate is longer than your article.

I just think it's gamers initiative to judge and bash projects long before anything is known on it. Maybe it's the fact that we hear about these games long before they're shown or it's just our inclination to label something good or stupid without having had experience with the game. Plus, I like to debate and your blog post was one of the more interesting of the day.
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2009 11:13
Canti-sama
Well I'm sorry if I seemed pissed off or something, probably because I was, but I can understand your stance, just as you can probably understand mine. We'll leave it at that, and I'm glad you found it interesting if not agreeable! I think it's probably time to end this, like you said, this is getting longer than the article itself lol
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/12/2009 05:31
RIMoonlight
GODDAMMIT WHY IS EVERYONE FLIPPING THEIR SHIT OVER A RUMOUR
We have no information on this game whatsoever and people are taking said rumour and acting on it like it's gospel truth.
If they actually pull a stunt, I'd be pissed. Why? Because a game based on Jack the Ripper could be so much more rather than another demon-killing romp of killing. But as it stands, I'm reserving my judgment and my 'VISCERAL SUCKS THEY SHOULD MAKE A GAME WHERE HITLER SAVES THE WORLD' when again, there isn't a shred of official information on the game.
Pheenix's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/12/2009 06:00
Pheenix
To me, the debate on the moral obligations of this game is infuriating.
He was obviously a good guy in his own world, whether he was brain damaged or not.

What's the point of calling the man evil? What the hell is evil? He acted according to his own views, and if those views were screwed up, blame the fragile human body, or blame England.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/12/2009 07:31
sheppy
I prefer to go with the most common thoery, I blame the STD that drove him insane....
Canti-sama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/12/2009 08:13
Canti-sama
Morality or lack there of aside, I'd rather not argue the point any further, but to me, excuses and justifications aside, the man/woman was a murderer, plain and simple. He killed five people, seemingly enjoyed the attention, possibly cannibalized their bodies, etc. I think whatever your personal definition of evil is (I tend to believe that morality is subject to the society that surrounds it), you have to agree that the taking of human life is universally disapproved of, whether or not the person is mentally ill or not. You could go the neo-environmentalist extremist route and say humans are simply animals in the animal kingdom, but I'd like to think even these people could respect the rules of the society that shelters them. Moral implications of Jack the Ripper aside, I think this entire article comes down to this:

I have been given the concept of a game, one in which Jack the Ripper is a demon slaying hero, and with that in mind, not commenting on the overall quality of the game itself (like I said, it could be awesome for all I know), I still think it's a stupid premise. I stated why think that's a stupid premise and still think the exact same thing. I'm glad everyone has been sharing their thoughts as well, even if some did pretty much infuriate me (sup sheppy lol), but now that I can see the arguments, I can see where people are coming from. That however does not change my opinion on the concept, so I'll just it at that. That said, I did enjoy the debating :D
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