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But I'm a Girl Gamer! - A Response
CandiceHatesYou | 3:08 AM on 11.01.2008 33 comments


http://gametopius.com/index.php/video-games/features/284-but-im-a-girl-gamer

I just recently read an article written by Raychul Moore over at Gametopius.com about the drama that infests the female gamer social circles here in our Industry. It seems, if anything, that Raychul wants to take a stand against those attention-hungry females by.. well, bringing attention to the prospective problems.

What bothers me about this article is the fact that it so firmly juts it's chin out as if the writer is better than all of it. Let's face it, being a female in a heavily male-driven Industry is very difficult as it is and no matter where you are, proving yourself is a necessity in order to survive it. Games journalism is no different and even though we want to think that there's no sexism in our workplaces, there is. I believe even Raychul forgets that her sex sells and has sold many times before, because if it was all about not promoting a bad reputation and being taken seriously.. well, we won't go there. This isn't a smear campaign, just a reality check.

The thing is, bitching and drama is best left on episodes of "The Hills" and superiority complexes are best left on "Sex in the City", not here in our little hallowed halls of the Internet. Some people shouldn't sling mud at the fluffy pink group of girl gamers with faux attitude when they used to belong to the same little eight-bit clique themselves. That's all I'm saying. Just shut it up. Take a look at where you came from, who helped you get there and get some humble pie.

Shockingly enough, you say you don't mean this in regards to all females but you shine a glaring light without giving examples. Do you know girls who are these females you speak of? Did this spawn off some fight that you had with another gamer girl? Is this some angry and bitter post to make you feel better and to get some male feedback? Is this validation?

I don't know, personally I think the subject is tired but I know a lot of female gamers that would take heavy offense to your words. Not because they're who you're speaking of but because it comes from you. What made you the end-all-be-all to female gamers? When did we name you ambassador? Just chill out on all the finger-pointing and haughty crap. It just makes you look bitchy.

And to the men who stand behind the cute girls who have their firm beliefs; stop it. Really. The post bitches about attention whores but she brings attention to it thusly proving that the circle never ends.

So, let's put a stop to it. No more gamer "grrls" and no more bitching about bitching. It's just lame. If you have a complaint, own it and complain without regret!

<3,
Candice



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Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 03:47
Technophile
Huh. I thought I put you on my friends list. That would explain why I haven't seen your recent blogs.

ANYWHO. On the subject of this, I'm going to continue to stand by my opinion that if you need to strongly identify yourself with some sort of label other then "gamer" then I'm mostly going to ignore you. "girl gamer", "Hardcore gamer", "Halo gamer", or whatever. Don't. Care. It strikes me as the same dumb high school shit of labeling yourself a "goth" or "jock" and such. Who cares. Be you. Not a group.

In short. I agree with you.

and I doubt you are older then me.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 04:14
CelicaCrazed
Yeah, reading that article, I can see what you are upset about. Let's face it, the author has no clue what's she's talking about. The fact that she thinks that most girls only started getting into gaming 5 years ago is dead proof. Her all-grrl clans have only been around for that long, that's it. You should just try and ignore them. They may be loud and vocal and seem like they're giving all girls a bad name, but honestly we know the difference and we're not even paying attention to those ones.

On a somewhat related note: a female friend of my roommate was trying to tell us that no girl actually likes sports and that they're lying if they say they do. And she was dead serious. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at her, but I was facepalming for a good half-hour.
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 05:28
SnakeDude4Life
Labels sucks.

I could not care less what you call yourself.

As long as you shoot straight, check your corners, defend the flag, police the dead, and t-bag on you own time,

You'll be okay in my book.


RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 07:52
RonBurgandy2010
There are enough girl gamers to make circles? I thought they could make triangles at best.

Just kidding. Nice write up.
gametopius's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 08:54
gametopius
Good Article,and a well written piece.

-Rich
From GameTopius.com
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 09:10
Y0j1mb0
Good Article, and well written piece.


-Y0j1mb0
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Gantz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 10:05
Gantz
Good Article, and well written piece.


-Gantz
From That Dungeon You Naught Speak Of
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 11:05
atheistium
I've done my bitch about girl gamers before and I'm over it. Case closed.

I get what your on about though. It's annoying and frustrating. Human nature is to bitch, moan and nit pick. It's the way people are most of them time.

She's prolly upset because more people have called her an attention whore again. I'm so fed up with this subject now though but then until things change it's always going to be this way.
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 11:19
atheistium
Also lol.


ima bitch :D
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 11:32
Justice
Girl gamers are lame, anyway, shouldn't you have emailed this to Raychul?
Rampancy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 12:07
Rampancy
This.

Nice, Candice.
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 12:49
nintendoll
Yeah. It's one of those things that's hard to find a balance; I like to call out anyone who's a total fake but with some people it's not worth the time.

I think part of the problem is when a girl starts getting into games, guys can be like ZOMG YOU LIKE GAME SEX ME PLZ and all that attention can get to your head. In my town, everyone in my group of friends (guys and girls) played games so it was never a big deal (in fact, I am STILL the only girl in my group of friends that doesn't play WoW). Then I got to college and it was like this crazy reality check for me when guys were like, You play games! SO RAD! And it took me a while to adjust to that attitude.

Some girls just never adjust. They like the attention and when it starts to wane, they just post cute pics of themselves or something to start the attention up again. It's kind of more like an insecurity issue I guess.

Also, the first sentence of that article is the biggest lie I have ever read.
PsychoSoldier's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 17:00
PsychoSoldier
Sorry I am too busy playing games to care about being a female gamer.
pinksage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 18:44
pinksage
You're awesome! That's why girl groups with over 6k members, like the gamerchix exists, because we all hate each other...right. Playing games is natural to me and having people around me that enjoy them is just as natural.


@atheistium you're THE bitch. <3
Ashley Davis's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 19:08
Ashley Davis
People like this woman are one of the biggest reasons why female gamers will never be taken seriously.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/01/2008 22:19
Joanna Mueller
Anyone who spells Rachel, Raychul should be shot on principle. Regardless, I read her article anyway and I have to say, I didn't get it. I've never had any issues with other female gamers nor have I seen blogs or articles where they were bashing each other or having little trivia contests to prove their street cred. Who the hell is she hanging out with?

If anything her article seems to project the very thing she is complaining about, girls who use the net to promote themselves as gurl gamers to get attention.

lame...
CandiceHatesYou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 02:13
CandiceHatesYou
I totally agree, guys. I'm glad you understood what I was griping about. And yeah, I fully admit.. I was griping. That shit gets to me so quick though because the real gamer females who want to promote equality are out there DOING it. Not whining and tugging on pigtails. Bah.
maxbraff's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 02:23
maxbraff
wow. that's quite the way to spell rachel. rebels are so unique these days!
Aktrez's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 02:25
Aktrez
I'm not going to lie (and what's the point where, as Lauren so boldly showcased, the internetz can come back to haunt you) I've had my share of "OMG, WAAAAA... Let's all play nice!!!" posts in the past.

That being said, I think that it is one thing to bring up a hot button topic to discuss like adults in a community and another thing to right out rant. Not only that, but generalize, stereotype and belittle at the same time.

I'm sorry but, the rest of the female gaming world is all working together. You see events like Angels and Vixens party during E for All. You see shows like Coin Op TV where 4 seperate sites come together to support one guest and you think ... is it really that bad?

That being said, it's also in how one chooses to represent themselves. If you make a choice to put yourself out there to attract the men, you ARE going to have flack from the girls. Simple as that. That is human nature and that's just the way things work.

Anyhow, you hit the nail on the head Candice. It IS a bit challenging to be taken seriously in the gaming community but you have to EARN that credibility just like in any other profession.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 08:13
Skribble
*shrugs*

I just ignore these people, this kind of shit will never stop. Just play games, be yourself and try to have as much fun as possible.

Badabing, badaboom.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 14:34
Sharpless
"What a stupid bitch."

That's exactly what I said aloud, when I read the link that Atheistium posted, after reading the original "girl gamer" article Candice posted. I think I can count the times that I've seriously called a woman a "stupid bitch" on one hand. It's usually rude, disrespectful, and uncalled for.

It was entirely called for, in this case. Raychul, you're a hypocritical idiot. Good show, Candice.
CandiceHatesYou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2008 16:11
CandiceHatesYou
Thanks, Sharpless.

Personally, I hate the "You give gamer chicks a bad name" posts because they're done so often. However, when I know there is someone out there just setting us all back thousands of years.. I have to say something. I think I handled myself well. Haha.

<3
Hollie Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/03/2008 15:15
Hollie Bennett
'Just shut up and play' - damn it Raychul! I'm trying but you keep dragging this shit up.

she can shove the guitar up her vag for all i care. I don't know this girl, her modeling doesn't bother me, what other might call 'attention whore-ness' doesn't bother me. what bothers me is how this article points the finger at me and every other girl who plays games, as though we are ruining something for her, when really articles like this, make it the other way around.

There are many times Ive thought of responding how you have, but i can never articulate myself well enough. so well done.
CandiceHatesYou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/03/2008 16:03
CandiceHatesYou
Thanks so much, Phe. Trust me, if anything.. I want to be seen as someone who can speak up for the other girls who do feel like me.

Gaming is gaming, let it speak for itself.
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