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Point & Counterpoint 9: Smash Bros. 64 is Better
CaffeinePowered | 3:36 PM on 03.07.2008 19 comments


With brawl looming this weekend, Aerox and I decided we’d take a look back at the two previous games in the series, each of us has our favorite, for Aerox’s article on Melee, you can read on here.





In 1999, Nintendo released the first installment of the Smash Brothers series, adding another 8ball of multiplayer crack-cocaine to the N64’s already stellar library. Two summers were wasted in four man multiplayer, amid arguments about cheap characters, banning each other from playing certain characters, and it wouldn’t be live multiplayer if a near fistfight didn’t break out at least once.

An untested concept, Nintendo took a gamble contracting Hal-Laboratories to create a unique fighting game using their IP. While Melee may have expanded on the roster and side games, I feel like it was a step back in terms of gameplay and balance. While I’ve enjoyed some of my time with Melee and it is by no means bad, I just don’t think it really stuck to the spirit of the old game.

The Roster





While it doesn’t have the same numbers that Melee does, before it got to the astronomical popularity it enjoys today, there were only twelve playable characters, four of which were unlockable. The roster was more concise, had no clones, and above all had no absolutely worthless characters. And as much as your friends might have laughed at you for playing Jigglypuff, that moment when you accidently discovered falling asleep on them was a near instant knockout, they were quickly silenced.

While 64 didn’t have nearly the fan service that Melee did, it still had in my opinion more than enough head nods to series that weren’t as popular as Mario and Zelda. In particular the inclusion of Ness and Captain Falcon were a great nod to series that were not as popular in the US. Keeping the roster tight as well kept character’s move sets from overlapping each other and this inclusion of a lot of ‘clone’ characters in Melee took away from the game after the novelty of having additional characters wore off.

Game Mechanics


Tool Assisted, but still sweet



While Melee was all about wave dashing, combos, and using fast characters (FOX ONLY!). Melee awarded overly aggressive players and fast characters with the ability to spam certain attacks. 64 on the other hand, had more of a turtleing style, players focused on dodging, rolling, shielding, and waiting for the perfect moment to land damage.

Much like the difference between Street Fighter 2 and 3, players good at one will find their playstyle won’t translate very well to the other game. I personally preferred the mechanics in 64 because they allowed you to play with much more of the roster viably as opposed to Melee. I think we all can agree that character like Bowser, Pichu, and Peach were almost worthless in Melee, and what is the point in including a character if you really can’t play them against someone else effectively.

In addition to the characters, despite the smaller number of stages in 64, I can’t think of any that I particularly hated. Many of the good stages were ported to Melee too, but no one seems to care, everyone is too busy playing Final Destination, not to mention that several of the new stages were utter garbage (pokemon floats, ice mountain).

Balance


Players generally played more defensively in 64 than Melee



While there were some balance issues in 64 (and there probably will still be some in Brawl, as players are always more creative than testers), I really don’t know how Nintendo could go from 64 to Melee and completely cock the balance up.





In 64, every character at least worked in some aspects, if you were good at the game, you could still fight Fox with DK. However at some point in development, they decided to make speedy characters ridiculously over powered, to the point where you can’t play a heavy character against someone of equal skill using a fast character. And the medium weight characters didn’t fare so well either.

Simpler is Better





This section title says it all, as far as game play is concerned, fewer levels, fewer moves, and fewer characters. Sometimes too many chefs spoil the dish, and I think this is what happened comparing the two games. It’s always great to have variety and I think brawl is doing it the right way by having more than simply clones and doing some more interesting things with the stages.

One thing that has always been a barrier to new players in fighting games has been all of the complex movesets and other tricks you need to learn in order to compete with your friends. The first smash was for the most part very simple and easy to pick up and learn. From playing Melee I felt that they increased the complexity too far beyond what the original game was and made it almost too hard for a new player to be able to compete with anyone who’s established.


Besides, everyone knows 64 had one of the best videogame commercials of all time



Melee Aerox? Nothing beats the original, at least, not until March 9th



Maybe I’ve been too harsh on Melee; it was a great game and received higher reviews than the other one. However, I was not too keen on many of the changes they made to the combat system and general game play. Thankfully from videos and reviews, Brawl looks like it plays more like the original than like Melee, and many reviews have also called it a ‘clean slate’ for all players so it’s going to be a brand new game for everyone.



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Teta's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 15:59
Teta
This game is made of glory moments, screaming fun and endless drunk fighting with videogame characters.
This was still the time of my life when my friends weren´t too old to play videogames and i had a blast playing it.
I think Brawl is better, but Brawl was just me playing against the computer.
This game has sweet memories.
You win Caff.
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 15:59
HarassmentPanda
So, you play Super Smash Bros. on your Not Turning Point Gaming Rig? Awesome! Like I told Aerox: I've never really played these games, so I don't have anything constructive to say. Keep up the good work though!
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:04
Jetsetlemming
I had more fun with this version, seeing as I never had a gamecube and could only play Melee at a friend's house. However, I'm more than willing to admit Melee is the better game. :P The levels are far more interesting, and I like the roster and bonus modes.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:07
king3vbo
I agree that 64 had better strategies... wavedashing, L-canceling, and physics exploits are awful, and break the game. Plus tourneyfags = epic fail

However, the roster for Melee is incomparably better, as is the amount of features.

At least we can agree on the fact that Brawl will be better than both of them
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:08
Pangloss
What the hell is this? Because it certainly isn't your Not Turning Point Gaming Rig.
SanityMask's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:10
SanityMask
I agree with everything that has been said here.

Also, Sector Z > Corneria
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:14
topgeargorilla
Peach useless?!?

You my friend, are very wrong. Peach kicks ass. Even Bowser is good if you know how to play him. The two only busted characters are Mewtwo and Pichu.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:15
Justice
Great write up dude, even though I disagree.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:20
Gen Eric Gui
FYI: Peach is retarded powerful in Melee and IIRC the US is where F-Zero is the most popular worldwide.

I loved both games pretty much equally, and refuse to pick which one I liked more. I will say that I spent a lot more time with the 64 version, via having more friends who owned a 64 versus those who owned a Cube.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 16:29
Rockvillian
Yeah. Melee was cheap in some areas, but it made up for that in general HUGENESS, memories, and solid mechanics.

For example:

I pick Bowser. "HAHA I'm Bowser, GRAAA!"

My friend picks Fox.

I switch to Falco.

Corneria.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 17:39
Darren Nakamura
I will concede the point that the original SSB had the best commercial ever. Otherwise, I'm with Aerox; Melee is my favorite of the two.

And how dare you say Peach is useless in Melee? She's my #1 preferred character.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 18:21
Clint
Peach is actually one of the high tier characters in competitive Smash, shes up their with Marth, Falcon and Shiek.

Great article though! Although I think Aerox is right.
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2008 01:50
Dynamic Sheep
"8ball of multiplayer crack-cocaine"

crack-cocaine isn't sold in 8balls... Coke is sold in 8balls.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2008 02:34
Bob Muir
I'm sorry, I have to agree with Aerox. Even if the original commercial was amazing, Melee was 64, but bigger and better. Plus, were clones that bad? The other option was just fewer characters, and personally, I liked having the option of a nuanced version of another character; for example, I never liked how Mario played, but Dr. Mario was one of my favorite characters because of his slight differences.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2008 07:39
Anus Mcphanus
I maybe one of the few people who actually agree with you on this one! I love both games almost equally but I find matches in melee a little too crazy and hectic at times. It's probably better in party situations and pure fun factor but I find 64 far more satisfying to play "seriously" and I prefer the dodging/blocking style of 64

Get N or Get out!
exanimo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/09/2008 21:07
exanimo
64 is by far the better of the two. Why you may ask? I am a Kirby whore through and through and in 64, he's the best.
LarkOhiya's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2008 10:37
LarkOhiya
Yes peach was one of the higher used and good characters in melee. also pikachu and kirby (and to a lesser extent ness) where broken in that game. seriously they are the only two to use if your playing competativly.
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