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Gamepro pisses off fanboys: Chaos insues!
Kyle MacGregor | 3:36 PM on 06.24.2009 28 comments


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It looks as if GamePro enraged many and took quite a bit of heat yesterday after one of their “journalists” Taeleur Kim put out a review for the recently released title, the Conduit. The review scored the title a 3.5 of 5, which equates to a 70 on metacritic, which seems fair enough until you start actually reading the thing. This could be chalked up to a bunch of Nintendo fanboys complaining reminiscent to what happened with PS3 fanboys when reviewers gave Killzone lower scores than 9/10, but the issues readers had lied less with the score and more with the content of his review. Responses on Gamepro’s webpage were already quite heated before “journalists” from Gamepro took the argument to their Twitter pages. What ensued was not as much of a logical argument between two disagreeing parties but rather, something more akin to grade school yard bickering. Internet fight!



Gamepro “journalists” replied with such “professional” statements to defend their publication:

“they don't (like the review) -- because it's not in line with what IGN said. Tae's dislike of the controls caught flack with arguments like..."you can change the input". The output was what he knocked. Just a bunch of crybabies not seeing the star count they wanna”

"all that customization only amounts to a cry for help trying to adapt the Wiimote to something it just doesn't do all that well"

" but OMG it contradicts IGN Wii's review!1! HOW COULD THEY BE WRONG?"

“My mistake was forgetting the passing of the Internet Opinion Act which outlawed opinions on the Internet. I wish I'd voted no now. Haha, thanks? I'd try and respond to all the criticism but I'd have better luck draining the ocean with a teaspoon.”

“Forget words. What i need is one of those Red Faction sledgehammers. And the addresses of everyone who bitches in our comments.”



Apparently anyone who disagrees with Gamepro deserves to either be killed violently with a warhammer or slowly annoyed to death with facetious remarks. Similar comments from their staff go on and maturity never sets in. You would think they would worry about their self image and reputation representing a publication and all but well, it is Gamepro we are talking about here.

What incited such rage prior to the schoolyard antics that occurred on Twitter?

In the review itself Mr. Kim has made blatant statements that seem to show he did not give the title a fair shake from the get go. From the outset he disparagingly compares the graphics of the game that brings the most impressive realistic graphics on the system to date to Goldeneye and suggests the game probably would have been better on the PS3 or 360, but actually on the PC as“[He is] a diehard keyboard and mouse fan” and has not enjoyed shooting mechanics on the Wii or any other console for that matter. As if the point of the game wasn’t to bring Wii owners a decent title in a genre the system’s library has been sorely missing in comparison to the other consoles. Then goes on to moan and groan about the motion controls he could have mapped to a button with the extensive ability to alter the controls that the title has been praised for, but claims “[he] played with the default and was absolutely happy with it.”Additionally the online features were not included in the review, although other Gamepro employees had used it, which seems a bit daft considering other reviews have included the online content.

The professionalism of Gamepro is utterly atrocious and only incited further rage against themselves spilling out from Twitter and their webpage and across several other sites as well. I can’t say that I’ve been a fan of theirs in the past but this incident just adds to that negative reputation the publication has built up over the years, even still the childish remarks on Twitter are surprising to see from people masquerading as games journalists.



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Messer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:05
Messer
It's funny, but game journalism shines best when it's about game journalism.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:20
DaedHead8
Anyone that makes the keyboard and mouse argument in 2009 is a fanboy. If it were 1996 then maybe, maybe.... Funny this should come from Gamepro of all places. They deserve all the shit they get.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:27
Tubatic
Talking back to commenters in a disparaging manner?!

I mean, I expect that sort of chicanery from Destructoid, but GamePro? Are they regrowing their personality?

Its gonna be a good Friday for Fanboys!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:44
Elsa
Personally I don't understand why people pay much attention to "gaming journalist reviews" anyway. They are just one person's opinion, reflecting their personal tastes... and also reflecting the fact that these people play a lot of games because they have to... not necessarily because they want to.

Still... when people profit from their opinions, they should be able to defend those opinions without resorting to childish name-calling.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:45
Monodi
RAAAAUUURGHH
protomark's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 16:59
protomark
isn't giving a high profile review over to a guy who doesn't even like the platform in question asking for trouble in the first place? Who's even read Gamepro since the mid 90's anyway?
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:05
Kyle MacGregor
@Protomark
Maybe they wanted to sacrifice any credibility they had left in hopes to get some quick publicity to save their dying magazine for a while longer.
Jordan Devore's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:10
Jordan Devore
I find this to be pretty damn funny.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:16
Kyousuke Nanbu
I haven't played the game so I can't comment on its quality but I don't think the angry people would have been satisfied with any score, any time some big hyped game is about to come out people get all over the reviews, if its not a 10/10 the reporter sucks, is an idiot, needs to die, etc, I still recall all the nerd raging when some gamespot guy gave Twilight Princess an 8.8, it was ridiculous.

If the game is good then word of mouth will spread and it will sell well, I don't see why people care about reviews so much, its always the same story, if its a 10/10 then GREAT cause the game obviously deserves it, if its anything less, OMG WHAT THE HELL, REVIEWER SUCKS, ETC ETC.

Plus the Conduit has other glowing reviews from other sources, one from a crappy magazine that barely anyone reads anymore isn't going to cause any problems.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:18
Takeshi
A good review should never be ones opinion. It should be as neutral as possible. That said, I could care less about this whole incident. It's all a bunch of nonsense and drama. Just like so many other things about video games nowadays.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:19
CelicaCrazed
I still prefer Jim's troll-baiting above everyone elses. He has made a science out of it.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 17:35
Kyle MacGregor
@Celicacrazed
When Jim does it its endearing though...This guy just comes off as a tool.

@Kyousuke
It looks like the Conduit is doing just fine sales wise. It sold out in numerous locations and online stores and currently sits at 18 on Amazon's top 100 in VG products.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:12
Black Nexus
when the hell did people start giving a damn about reviews so much.I remember when people bought games because they looked fun, not because they got a 9 in someone else's opinion .
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:36
DF
@Black Nexus: Have you been asleep these past few years? People have changed gears from console fanboys to game fanboys. As in, zomg u gav kz2 a 8 die and so on. People have been bitching about review scores ever since...probably the middle of last gen, I dunno. But as Nanbu said up there, the fallout from the 8.8 Twilight Princess review on Gamespot resulted in the half-point system they have in place today.

And then there was an article here a long time ago about why review scores suck, which is mostly what people have problems with. Of course, no one reads the actual reviews, just the scores, so...

Oh, it annoys me too, truthfully. =\
ChillyBilly's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:45
ChillyBilly
Wait a minute....people still pay attention to and actually trust reviews from websites?.....What a wonderfully ignorant world we live in
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:49
vexed alex
"It looks as if GamePro enraged many and took quite a bit of heat yesterday after one of their 'journalists'"

That sentence makes you sound like such a douche.

OK, here we go. It's not that the writer thinks you should always agree with him, stupid. The sledgehammer comment was meant for the imbeciles upset that he didn't like the game. I wouldn't mind taking

@Takeshi: Are you talking about subjectivity? It doesn't exist. You can't be subjective when reviewing a game. It is always about one's opinions, and nothing will ever change that.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:51
vexed alex
Also, this whole "you can't trust reviewers" mentality needs to stop, you crazy conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

Learn to read reviews and stop looking at the scores. If what's being said seems like something you'd be interested, then take the plunge.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:53
Holyetheline
I hate Gamepro.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:53
vexed alex
Excuse me. I meant "objectivity".
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 18:54
Tubatic
Troll baiting works better when your reviewer is a personality, like Jim Sterling. At least for me, I've got no idea who this GamePro reviewer even it. Couple that with GamePro/IGN/Gamespot generally prescribing to Takeshi's neutral review stance (which I can definitely respect), and you get even the mildest of fanboys up in arms.

When Jim does it, its a science to be awed.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 19:49
Takeshi
@Alex
Objectivity doesn't exist? That says more about you than about objectivity itself. Which I my subjective opinion of course so don't take it personal.

Really, what's the point of a review then? I know a lot of good reviewers who are as objective as can get. And so are a great deal of my PSN friends. In numerous occasions we talked about games and our opinions. If I say: "I didn't like it because of ... but I think you'd love it" isn't that a subjective sort of mini-review? I've stated my opinion but I also kept a certain level of objectivity.

I didn't like GTA IV. In fact for me it was a steaming pile of shit. Same goes for Oblivion. But I can see the appeal of said games and can very well write a review and give it a score that is different from my personal score (which are a 5/10 and a 3/10 respectfully). So if I can do that, reviewers can do that as well.

To fanboys however there is nothing like subjectivity or objectivity. They're just being douchebags.

I do greatly agree with your other comment:

"Also, this whole "you can't trust reviewers" mentality needs to stop, you crazy conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

Learn to read reviews and stop looking at the scores. If what's being said seems like something you'd be interested, then take the plunge."

For what it's worth, one can always look objectively at someones subjective review.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 19:58
Jack Maverick
The hate I get from reading from the "journalists" seemed like normal flaming you'd see almost anywhere. Then I read the actual review and saw a legit reason for the flames. It's been quite a while since I actually saw a very biased review from one of the more "credible" sources. Last time before that was when I read the original Kane & Lynch review on GameSpot.

Dunno what it is, but the more reason there is to spawn hate on reviews like these, the more hilarious I seem to find it.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 21:09
SilverDragon1979
Ok so I read this entire blog and only one question came to my mind. Why does anyone care what GamePro thinks, and why are we even discussing the drama going on over this review?

This is GamePro we are talking about. I haven't read one of their magazines in over 10 years because there hasn't been anything worth reading in those dreadful pages.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 21:25
Kyle MacGregor
@Silverdragon
Because I hate Twitter with all my being and will relate anything appalling back to it in hopes that people will realise how evil it is and let it die off like the fad it didn't deserve to be?

Perhaps I really just wanted Vexed Alex to call me a douche.

Or possibly because I had nothing else to do at work today.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2009 08:02
zombiekiller13
I'll read the reviews here on Destructoid, and quite a few have led me to purchase the game being discussed, but other sites I take with a grain of salt. You'll have a PC gamer reviewing a 360 game, or someone who dislikes a certain genre reviewing a game within that genre...just so they can get some traffic.
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/25/2009 16:17
TriplZer0
I personally enjoy reading the actual reviews not just looking at the scores. The scores are really only semi-helpful when they're broken down into categories like "sound" "replayability" etc. Reviewing is more of an art than a science -- there's no formula that can take a person's words and transform them into a numeric score.

It makes me laugh when I hear about people hating a review because it gave a game they love a bad score. Chances are, if they already like that game so much, they're probably going to buy it no matter what the review says.
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