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@007 - That totally went over my head. But if I was forced to answer, I would say "myself." You know, in case it was a riddle.
Personally, as ridiculous as it is, I'll take something that's different looking over something that looks the exact same as everything else (See also: Grizzled Space Marine, who even managed to become the main character of Mass Effect). That said, Balthier's design for FFXII is positively pimp.
Yes, let's go on the WRPG path and make every single character a huge hulking GRIMDARK guy in full body armor. Because that's better.
@Brahms - Yeah, I thought that lead picture was an awesome contrast picture. On the left and right you have two utterly ridiculous costumes, but there Balthier stands looking cool.
@Gen Eric GUI - I have to say, both sides need change, but I'm really tired of dude's lookin' like a lady.
@Gen Eric GUI - I have to say, both sides need change, but I'm really tired of dude's lookin' like a lady.
I have a hard time warming up to Tetsuya Nomura's more recent designs. I could handle most of his stuff till FFX-2 came out, then I had a hard time liking anything he creates anymore. What the hell was he thinking with Nooj anyways?
The most recent sigh-inducing design would be Shalua Rui from Dirge. Honestly, can she not dress herself properly due to her disability? It's unlikely Nomura will stop any time soon. We need even more absurd-looking characters to populate the copious amount of KH games in progress!
Honestly, I probably should direct some of this character design unhappiness at Squeenix in general. All their stuff lately has potential, but it trips and falls back down the stairs into the huddled mess it eventually churns out of the S-E machine. For example, the little king designs from FFC: My Life as a King - WTH? FFTA & FFTA2 - why can't these be closer to the original?
Anyways... Balthier is so frigging awesome! I stuck through FFXII just to get his backstory which really didn't come to much fruition at the end. Of course, the same could be said for FFXII, but that's simply my own opinion.
The most recent sigh-inducing design would be Shalua Rui from Dirge. Honestly, can she not dress herself properly due to her disability? It's unlikely Nomura will stop any time soon. We need even more absurd-looking characters to populate the copious amount of KH games in progress!
Honestly, I probably should direct some of this character design unhappiness at Squeenix in general. All their stuff lately has potential, but it trips and falls back down the stairs into the huddled mess it eventually churns out of the S-E machine. For example, the little king designs from FFC: My Life as a King - WTH? FFTA & FFTA2 - why can't these be closer to the original?
Anyways... Balthier is so frigging awesome! I stuck through FFXII just to get his backstory which really didn't come to much fruition at the end. Of course, the same could be said for FFXII, but that's simply my own opinion.
I feel better knowing I'm not the only person who played Enchanted Arms.
I think until people actually call out on the character designers, our characters are going to continue looking the way they do.
Didn't Podtoid talk about this recently?
I think until people actually call out on the character designers, our characters are going to continue looking the way they do.
Didn't Podtoid talk about this recently?
@Eric & Brahms:
There's totally a happy medium between the fucking ridiculous levels of baroque insanity piled onto RPG characters these days and the grizzled space marine types.
For instance, today someone looking at me can I am wearing two articles of clothing (not counting underwear): a shirt and a pair of shorts. I'm sure talented designer could make a character that was wearing less ten different bits of completely unrealistic overly detailed clothing. I mean, Vaan is an orphan of little means, and yet his clothes are more ornate than mine.
As far as metrosexuality goes ... I dunno, I think the "hey hey, each and every one of us is here to excite you :D" outfits for the girls is a bigger problem. At least the metro guys aren't all "super hot" for the sake of girl players. It'd be nice if Square would have an older/more mature looking hero, agreed, but ... they probably consider their boyish/sensitive hero lads as much a part of their style now as chocobos and black mages.
There's totally a happy medium between the fucking ridiculous levels of baroque insanity piled onto RPG characters these days and the grizzled space marine types.
For instance, today someone looking at me can I am wearing two articles of clothing (not counting underwear): a shirt and a pair of shorts. I'm sure talented designer could make a character that was wearing less ten different bits of completely unrealistic overly detailed clothing. I mean, Vaan is an orphan of little means, and yet his clothes are more ornate than mine.
As far as metrosexuality goes ... I dunno, I think the "hey hey, each and every one of us is here to excite you :D" outfits for the girls is a bigger problem. At least the metro guys aren't all "super hot" for the sake of girl players. It'd be nice if Square would have an older/more mature looking hero, agreed, but ... they probably consider their boyish/sensitive hero lads as much a part of their style now as chocobos and black mages.
As long as I can look at a JRPG character and know them immediately just from their outfit I don't want things to change. Vaan's vest in FF10, Rinoa's cloak-type-thing in FF8 and even Genis' blue garb in Tales of Symphonia.
I want my RPGs to be in worlds that aren't my own and as far as I'm concerned the dress sense should always enforce that vision.
As far as the boys looking like girls argument goes, its never held any water from my viewpoint. I've never confused genders in any FF game and I really hate how often that gets wheeled out just to bash Nomura's character designs.
I want my RPGs to be in worlds that aren't my own and as far as I'm concerned the dress sense should always enforce that vision.
As far as the boys looking like girls argument goes, its never held any water from my viewpoint. I've never confused genders in any FF game and I really hate how often that gets wheeled out just to bash Nomura's character designs.
its a fantasy game, they have every reason to wear outlandish clothing. never bothered me before wont bother me now
would you like Ivy more if she wore a turtleneck sweater?
would you like Ivy more if she wore a turtleneck sweater?
Actually, I think the fantasy setting is a good point- it should look different and fantastical, and generally... not normal. They should be less sexualized though.
Oh, and I WOULD like Ivy more if she wore a turtleneck sweater. Especially if she pinned her hair back and wore glasses too.
...What? Why are you looking at me like that?
Oh, and I WOULD like Ivy more if she wore a turtleneck sweater. Especially if she pinned her hair back and wore glasses too.
...What? Why are you looking at me like that?
Persona 3 had stylish outfits. Then again it took place in modern Japan.
Then again, it took place in modern Japan.
Then again, it took place in modern Japan.
"It'd be nice if Square would have an older/more mature looking hero"
Auron springs to mind.
As far as ridiculously ornate dress goes, I think there's nothing wrong with colorful, creative garb for characters, but sometimes it gets ridiculous. Vaan is a great example of over the top, just about every character in (the trainwreck we know as) FFX-2 was as well. Final Fantasy Tactics and most other characters in FFXII proved that ornate dress can be present without three hundred pointless zippers, a half of a jacket, and myriad other silly things. Also, while I've never played Enchanted Arms, I have played Wild Arms, which features very nice character designs without any over the top silliness.
Auron springs to mind.
As far as ridiculously ornate dress goes, I think there's nothing wrong with colorful, creative garb for characters, but sometimes it gets ridiculous. Vaan is a great example of over the top, just about every character in (the trainwreck we know as) FFX-2 was as well. Final Fantasy Tactics and most other characters in FFXII proved that ornate dress can be present without three hundred pointless zippers, a half of a jacket, and myriad other silly things. Also, while I've never played Enchanted Arms, I have played Wild Arms, which features very nice character designs without any over the top silliness.
