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>>Jerry Holkins is not Goddam funny
To you.
Just because you don't like him doesn't mean no-one else does.
Don't like his shit don't play his games or read his comic, no-one is holding a gun to your head. Holding a "Why doesn't everyone agree with me" pissyfit solves nothing.
To you.
Just because you don't like him doesn't mean no-one else does.
Don't like his shit don't play his games or read his comic, no-one is holding a gun to your head. Holding a "Why doesn't everyone agree with me" pissyfit solves nothing.
I think that they do contrast each other well because of their different tastes in games, their different use of vocabulary, and their different interests. This is totally an issue of opinion, so I could say (and I do say) that I think that Jerry is funny. I think that these two are pretty large figures to people who are interested in the industry, and thus attract a fairly polar reaction. Like them or not, like one of them or not, you are indeedly entitled to your own opinion. To rebut your opinion, I would say that penny arcade would be an entirely different entity (if even in existence) if Mr.Holkins was not a part of it.
Excellent anger though, something about internets and businesses and seriousness and "is"s.
Excellent anger though, something about internets and businesses and seriousness and "is"s.
Also it's a team effort.
Holkins might not be as important as Mike but he is still important, he does come up with some good jokes and he has a good writing form. Something Krahulik admittedly lacks. They also act as feedback for each other, shining the jokes till they work.
Sorry for the rant above but jesus guy. No need to shit on someone else's parade. What i would also say is please don't try to judge a partnership of almost 2 decades (They were working on stuff way before Penny Arcade) by 23 podcasts, maybe he could do it without Holkins, but working together for so long they work off each other in a way that you probably couldn't understand anyway.
Holkins might not be as important as Mike but he is still important, he does come up with some good jokes and he has a good writing form. Something Krahulik admittedly lacks. They also act as feedback for each other, shining the jokes till they work.
Sorry for the rant above but jesus guy. No need to shit on someone else's parade. What i would also say is please don't try to judge a partnership of almost 2 decades (They were working on stuff way before Penny Arcade) by 23 podcasts, maybe he could do it without Holkins, but working together for so long they work off each other in a way that you probably couldn't understand anyway.
" Holding a "Why doesn't everyone agree with me" pissyfit solves nothing."
Was that at me? I don't remember complaining about everyone agreeing with me 0.o
Was that at me? I don't remember complaining about everyone agreeing with me 0.o
"holkin is mostly the source of money to keep the site going"
I think that's Kiko, if I get the names correct. He's their marketing guy who, before they hired him (well, he offerd to work for free for a while simply because he knew they were doing a terrible job), they both had no fucking idea what they were doing. Anything related to the buisness side of PA Mike and Jerry have no part of.
Also just to be clear, I don't hate Penny Arcade. I love the site. What pisses me off is that Jerry gets so much credit for being the writer when he doesn't do jack shit. I agree that if it wasn't for him the website would be a monthly update (every podcast, 5 minutes in Mike wants to go get lunch), but the fact that he gets so much credit for the tiny amount he does, it makes me want to stab him in the eyes.
I think that's Kiko, if I get the names correct. He's their marketing guy who, before they hired him (well, he offerd to work for free for a while simply because he knew they were doing a terrible job), they both had no fucking idea what they were doing. Anything related to the buisness side of PA Mike and Jerry have no part of.
Also just to be clear, I don't hate Penny Arcade. I love the site. What pisses me off is that Jerry gets so much credit for being the writer when he doesn't do jack shit. I agree that if it wasn't for him the website would be a monthly update (every podcast, 5 minutes in Mike wants to go get lunch), but the fact that he gets so much credit for the tiny amount he does, it makes me want to stab him in the eyes.
jerry is a brilliant writer. you might not like what he writes, but ask any author or journalist and they'll say he's among the best bloggers on the internet.
seth338 said it is a team effort, and the fact that he had to say that says a lot of what you think of PA.
also, their podcast is annoying.
seth338 said it is a team effort, and the fact that he had to say that says a lot of what you think of PA.
also, their podcast is annoying.
As a long time Penny Arcade reader, I sorta hafta disagree with you, not necessarily on the funny bits, though.
You claim Jerry (Tycho) does nothing for the site, yet I can prolly count the number of times Mike (Gabe) has updated the website first. Tycho is very often the one and only person who writes on the front page. So, fail.
He also does the majority of the writing for all of the comics and side projects they do. The fact you make it sound like you know how much work the man puts in every day when you likely have NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about is also a joke. So, fail.
I've never listened to the podcast, but they both often admit they're not as interesting in person and that's why they have a website, so expecting them to be top-notch comedians in real-life may be a little too much, no? So... still fail.
You also checked the dude's Wikipedia page. Instant fail.
On that note, the two guys have known each other since high school and really do complement each other quite well, not only for their specifics skills and talents, but the way they play games and approach them in general. More fail.
You're a leech for posting this and getting so many hits to your blog. Hide, thanks.
You claim Jerry (Tycho) does nothing for the site, yet I can prolly count the number of times Mike (Gabe) has updated the website first. Tycho is very often the one and only person who writes on the front page. So, fail.
He also does the majority of the writing for all of the comics and side projects they do. The fact you make it sound like you know how much work the man puts in every day when you likely have NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about is also a joke. So, fail.
I've never listened to the podcast, but they both often admit they're not as interesting in person and that's why they have a website, so expecting them to be top-notch comedians in real-life may be a little too much, no? So... still fail.
You also checked the dude's Wikipedia page. Instant fail.
On that note, the two guys have known each other since high school and really do complement each other quite well, not only for their specifics skills and talents, but the way they play games and approach them in general. More fail.
You're a leech for posting this and getting so many hits to your blog. Hide, thanks.
"Tycho is very often the one and only person who writes on the front page. So, fail."
I said that in the article. I said that's all the fat bastard does - update the front page and ruin good jokes.
"He also does the majority of the writing for all of the comics"
Bull. From every podcast I've heard Jerry has never come up with the joke for the comic, it's always Mike. The most he does is water the joke down or just ruin it completely. The one I downloaded just tonight? Mike came up with the joke, big surprise.
I said that in the article. I said that's all the fat bastard does - update the front page and ruin good jokes.
"He also does the majority of the writing for all of the comics"
Bull. From every podcast I've heard Jerry has never come up with the joke for the comic, it's always Mike. The most he does is water the joke down or just ruin it completely. The one I downloaded just tonight? Mike came up with the joke, big surprise.
"jerry is a brilliant writer. you might not like what he writes, but ask any author or journalist and they'll say he's among the best bloggers on the internet"
Oh I actually like his blogs, I just get the shits when he gets so much credit for writing the comics when he doesn't do a Goddam thing. I can guarantee he will get every bit of credit for writing their game, but while he will write the story I bet that every joke will come from Mike, yet everyone will exclaim with a boner in their pants “HO HO THAT JERRY IS SO FUNNY”.
Oh I actually like his blogs, I just get the shits when he gets so much credit for writing the comics when he doesn't do a Goddam thing. I can guarantee he will get every bit of credit for writing their game, but while he will write the story I bet that every joke will come from Mike, yet everyone will exclaim with a boner in their pants “HO HO THAT JERRY IS SO FUNNY”.
Hey, here's an idea: Stop going all Emo on Jerry and move on with life. In the big fucking scheme of things, Penny Arcade is just a web comic! They do good things for charity and write an occassionally funny strip! Who the fuck cares about this BS?
If you wanna go Emo, do it over a game or game company, not a fucking respected industry writer who never did anything wrong to you.
This is pretty much comment and page hit whoring at it's finest, although I want to believe that's not why you did this. But if you had decent intentions, you wouldn't waste a blog dissing Jerry.
If you wanna go Emo, do it over a game or game company, not a fucking respected industry writer who never did anything wrong to you.
This is pretty much comment and page hit whoring at it's finest, although I want to believe that's not why you did this. But if you had decent intentions, you wouldn't waste a blog dissing Jerry.
Jerry is an amazing writer and someone I look up to in the games writing industry. This is a man with an astounding vocabulary, yet is able to use it in such an accessible way that he doesn't alienate the reader like say, a Florian/Eliza piece of writing may do.
And the guy IS funny. As a big fan of their downloadable content podcast I can say that he amuses me quite a bit. On the last one, his discussion of the "fire hell" (worse than regular hell) was awesome.
I fully concede that when it comes to the comic, Mike pulls in more than his equal share of the weight, but that's a limitation of Jerry's artistic skills, not his writing ones. I think that if Mike worked on PA as a solo project, it wouldn't be as good. Jerry's always there with the right choice of words (deeptongue, for instance) and the kind of writing panache to bring the whole thing together. Saying he doesn't "do a goddamn thing," is a pretty erroneous statement.
And the guy IS funny. As a big fan of their downloadable content podcast I can say that he amuses me quite a bit. On the last one, his discussion of the "fire hell" (worse than regular hell) was awesome.
I fully concede that when it comes to the comic, Mike pulls in more than his equal share of the weight, but that's a limitation of Jerry's artistic skills, not his writing ones. I think that if Mike worked on PA as a solo project, it wouldn't be as good. Jerry's always there with the right choice of words (deeptongue, for instance) and the kind of writing panache to bring the whole thing together. Saying he doesn't "do a goddamn thing," is a pretty erroneous statement.
Comment and hit page whoring? What difference does it make how many of those I get? Is there a prize I don't know about? Who gives a crap how many it gets...come to think of it, where the hell is the page counter anyway?
"Saying he doesn't "do a goddamn thing,""
Ok, that may have been a bit overboard. See what made me want to make this post was when I saw Holkins being compared to the likes of Ron Gilbert, that he gets so much praise from so many people for Penny Arcade, yet Mike never gets anything. He does probably 70% of the writing on each comic then has to draw it too, yet he is always seen as "just the guy who draws it". It pisses me off that Holkins get's so much credit for so little work >:[
Ok, that may have been a bit overboard. See what made me want to make this post was when I saw Holkins being compared to the likes of Ron Gilbert, that he gets so much praise from so many people for Penny Arcade, yet Mike never gets anything. He does probably 70% of the writing on each comic then has to draw it too, yet he is always seen as "just the guy who draws it". It pisses me off that Holkins get's so much credit for so little work >:[
JERRY WRITES THE COMICS! THEY BOTH DO!
sometimes the comic will start with mike having an visual idea, and then they'll figure something out that goes along with the article. and often jerry pen the words. but it's a collaborate effort.
i have something personal on this thats why i'm feeding the beast here, because i love PA so much. and when i hear such idiocy i just can't let it go.
sometimes the comic will start with mike having an visual idea, and then they'll figure something out that goes along with the article. and often jerry pen the words. but it's a collaborate effort.
i have something personal on this thats why i'm feeding the beast here, because i love PA so much. and when i hear such idiocy i just can't let it go.
Also, calling him a "fat, balding fucker" because you don't like his contributions to the comic is moronic.
But of course, tubby here is biased because he has to put up with that ad-hominem bullshit himself.
But of course, tubby here is biased because he has to put up with that ad-hominem bullshit himself.
"JERRY WRITES THE COMICS! THEY BOTH DO!"
I'd love to know what you are basing that on. I've listened to every podcast, and while that's only a small slice of the comics and hardly makes me an expert, it's very rare that Jerry does much at all with the comic except the polish stage at the end. The only time I can think of that he came up with a good idea is the Broodax name, which he then called "A great idea" about 50 times for the rest of the podcast. (And this isn't counting the BF2 ad comic he took over and fucked up)
I'd love to know what you are basing that on. I've listened to every podcast, and while that's only a small slice of the comics and hardly makes me an expert, it's very rare that Jerry does much at all with the comic except the polish stage at the end. The only time I can think of that he came up with a good idea is the Broodax name, which he then called "A great idea" about 50 times for the rest of the podcast. (And this isn't counting the BF2 ad comic he took over and fucked up)
@ Jim: It is a rant. Calling him 'someone I might or might not have a drink with but probably not" hardly holds the same weight (HA!) of calling him a fat balding fucker. I stand by my choice of words.
(btw I’d stop double posting if there was a damn edit button)
(btw I’d stop double posting if there was a damn edit button)
Right, and does he really deserve that level of contempt? You already said you like his blogs, so you concede he has some ability to entertain, and yet your pretty much doing what you can to be as insulting as possible.
And yeah, that choice of words pretty much shreds any credible argument you may have. I've lost count of the amount of game related debates I've had where the other person runs out of anything worthwhile to say and just pulls the "You're fat lol" card as if that somehow magically grants them victory. Stand by it all you want, I just think it discredits you far more than it does Holkins.
And yeah, that choice of words pretty much shreds any credible argument you may have. I've lost count of the amount of game related debates I've had where the other person runs out of anything worthwhile to say and just pulls the "You're fat lol" card as if that somehow magically grants them victory. Stand by it all you want, I just think it discredits you far more than it does Holkins.
"Right, and does he really deserve that level of contempt?"
One blog update? Sure, why not.
"And yeah, that choice of words pretty much shreds any credible argument you may have"
May have? I didn't think there was one in the first place. I hate Holkins for the unfunny credit stealing hack that he is and if one poorly written rant filled with hate makes a few people unhappy and sob, big deal.
One blog update? Sure, why not.
"And yeah, that choice of words pretty much shreds any credible argument you may have"
May have? I didn't think there was one in the first place. I hate Holkins for the unfunny credit stealing hack that he is and if one poorly written rant filled with hate makes a few people unhappy and sob, big deal.
I disagree for the reasons Jim stated in his first comment. But I love that podcast, I think it's fascinating to be a fly on the wall and hear the creative process for the comic. I really need to catch up with it.
Yeah, I'm siding with Jim here. Honestly, I've always seen it as a collaborative effort. No matter who comes up with the idea, I've seen both halves work together to develop it into a comic, and yes, I've listened to the podcasts. Jerry does have more of a way with words than Mike does, so even if his function on some comics is essentially polish, that's still important to the final execution of the comic.
"I'd love to know what you are basing that on."
gabe put up a tutorial for how the comic comes together a while ago, that described the process very thoroughly. and they have always said it is a collaborate effort. sometimes the comic will have no words at all because they though it just didn't fit, or it will be purely based on either jerry's or mike's "jokes".
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gabe put up a tutorial for how the comic comes together a while ago, that described the process very thoroughly. and they have always said it is a collaborate effort. sometimes the comic will have no words at all because they though it just didn't fit, or it will be purely based on either jerry's or mike's "jokes".
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I just realized this whole thread mimics the stratagem. About people who post inflammatory articles for attention they would otherwise not get.
Written by Holkins by the way.
Written by Holkins by the way.
He did!? OH NO! Oh what have I done, I have fallen into the devious trap set by Holkins. Oh what a fool I have made of myself, if only I had known he wrote an article that says "some people try to get attention on the internet by posting flame bait topics"! Surely only the most brilliant man on the planet could come to a conclusion like that!
Oh Seth, I'm a changed man now, I have seen the light, truly I have been 'pwnd' so hard I will never experience happiness again. For someone to write an article that highlights a discovery as brilliant as THAT is surely the master of the universe.
...Oh no wait, I don’t give a shit. But I am curious, why are you so obsessed with defending Holkins?
Oh Seth, I'm a changed man now, I have seen the light, truly I have been 'pwnd' so hard I will never experience happiness again. For someone to write an article that highlights a discovery as brilliant as THAT is surely the master of the universe.
...Oh no wait, I don’t give a shit. But I am curious, why are you so obsessed with defending Holkins?
Jerry has his moments:
Mike explains a comic he had dreamt.
"That's dark. Even when you're not at the helm of your conscious you're treading dark water" -Jerry
"You have fucking SARS" -Jerry
"I don't have SARS" -Mike
"You just got sick and can't get better. Ever" -Jerry
"Why did you start drinking?" -Mike
"I wasn't cool and it made me said. The glass was half empty and I had to fill the rest of it with liquor." -Jerry
"With whiskey?" -Mike
"With some kind of bathtub hooch" -Jerry
"But alcohol is a depressant, Jerry" -Mike
"It's hard to tell. I guess you can get so depressed that you come back out on top" -Jerry
"Have you ever done heroin?" -Mike
"No. Is this a real question?" -Jerry
"Well I know it's a gateway" -Mike
"Listen, heroin is not the gateway" -Jerry
"No I was gonna say marijuana is the gateway" -Mike
"I was gonna say heroin is more the destination" -Jerry
Maybe they aren't directly translated into comics but he definitely focuses and refines Mike's jokes. Without Jerry there would be great ideas without any punch
Mike explains a comic he had dreamt.
"That's dark. Even when you're not at the helm of your conscious you're treading dark water" -Jerry
"You have fucking SARS" -Jerry
"I don't have SARS" -Mike
"You just got sick and can't get better. Ever" -Jerry
"Why did you start drinking?" -Mike
"I wasn't cool and it made me said. The glass was half empty and I had to fill the rest of it with liquor." -Jerry
"With whiskey?" -Mike
"With some kind of bathtub hooch" -Jerry
"But alcohol is a depressant, Jerry" -Mike
"It's hard to tell. I guess you can get so depressed that you come back out on top" -Jerry
"Have you ever done heroin?" -Mike
"No. Is this a real question?" -Jerry
"Well I know it's a gateway" -Mike
"Listen, heroin is not the gateway" -Jerry
"No I was gonna say marijuana is the gateway" -Mike
"I was gonna say heroin is more the destination" -Jerry
Maybe they aren't directly translated into comics but he definitely focuses and refines Mike's jokes. Without Jerry there would be great ideas without any punch
