I still consider myself very new to Destructoid but I thought these were some nice thoughts and ideas.
I know that my cblog has not been the best, partly because I think I ended up spending too much time mulling over possible posts and end up just doing that instead of actually putting them down on a page. Perhaps I will challenge myself to finish one particular one I have been thinking about for some time.
Oh yes Failcast is awesome! It is far more entertaining and informative to listen to that than over half of the other crap podcasts that have somehow magically made its way to my Zune.
I know that my cblog has not been the best, partly because I think I ended up spending too much time mulling over possible posts and end up just doing that instead of actually putting them down on a page. Perhaps I will challenge myself to finish one particular one I have been thinking about for some time.
Oh yes Failcast is awesome! It is far more entertaining and informative to listen to that than over half of the other crap podcasts that have somehow magically made its way to my Zune.
What a great post, Necros. I definately have to start posting more c-blogs. I don't do nearly as much as I could, and am just a comment kind of guy.
And I definately have to spend some more time in the forums. Everytime I go in there, it's like a dead ground. No new threads are ever started.
And I definately have to spend some more time in the forums. Everytime I go in there, it's like a dead ground. No new threads are ever started.
Yes, I read the whole thing :-P
I agree with th fact that the editors have to participate more in the community. Yes, they show up once in a while in the comments and stuff, Destructoid is KNOWN for it's relationship between the editors and commonpeople.
I agree with th fact that the editors have to participate more in the community. Yes, they show up once in a while in the comments and stuff, Destructoid is KNOWN for it's relationship between the editors and commonpeople.
@Garison, There's nothing wrong with being a commenter and not much else. You're comments are every bit as important as the posts sometimes. Especially if it leads a discussion. That was one of the things that was always cool about this site too. You could get some good discussions going in the comments about the topic or related topics (or unrelated topics). I never cared for the forums, but commenting on cblogs and front page articles was always fun. My problem of late has been my job. I just don't have the time during the day that I used to. It's hard to get on to Dtoid at times other than early in the morning, lunchtime and right before leaving work in the evening.
Wow I honestly I can't believe I read this whole thig, but I did and it was awesome. Lots of good content here guys, and I hope most of us read this and come away with some ideas of how to improve the site and the community in 2009.
And as for the idea to have an entire DEstructoid floor at PAX '09 .... I LOVE IT ... bceause I am so finally coming this year. :-)
And as for the idea to have an entire DEstructoid floor at PAX '09 .... I LOVE IT ... bceause I am so finally coming this year. :-)
Couldn't agree more!
When I first saw Destructoid it did seem like a big online family, but the increase in popularity has been a blessing and a curse.
There is now more people which means more traffic, but it also means a more crowded place where no-one knows each other. I know I don't post often enough to be known, but when people do know each other, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
I think that this blog will inspire many D-toiders.
Also Cocks.
When I first saw Destructoid it did seem like a big online family, but the increase in popularity has been a blessing and a curse.
There is now more people which means more traffic, but it also means a more crowded place where no-one knows each other. I know I don't post often enough to be known, but when people do know each other, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
I think that this blog will inspire many D-toiders.
Also Cocks.
Awesome; total front pager.
Lots and lots of great information.
Seriously great work dude.
Also, cocks.
Lots and lots of great information.
Seriously great work dude.
Also, cocks.
Wow Necros, way to make an old-timer feel like shit. Kudos for that. I agree with all of your resolutions.
Guess it's time to start dusting off this old brain of mine and see what I can do to contribute.
Guess it's time to start dusting off this old brain of mine and see what I can do to contribute.
Two things, One being "Get out of your comfort zone". Does that mean I have to get back on the front page? Because I'm everywhere else.
And Two, RonBurgandy won the comment thread on that failblog with:
"Isn't it funny that while we rape this guy, there is a failblog a little ways down written by a girl, but no one care?"
And Two, RonBurgandy won the comment thread on that failblog with:
"Isn't it funny that while we rape this guy, there is a failblog a little ways down written by a girl, but no one care?"
So you need to copy and past the "go outside your comfort zone" part.
I am sorry but too many Dtoid Community members are on such a high horse that they miss out on amazing opportunities. Smaller gaming events happen all the time but they don't go cause they aren't widely known or "aren't PAX."
As for FNF, I don't play in it cause the times that I tried, they all left in 5 minutes or only played "the next big shooter." Screw that.
And yes, let's organize a party for underage people in a bar....not exactly epic.
I am sorry but too many Dtoid Community members are on such a high horse that they miss out on amazing opportunities. Smaller gaming events happen all the time but they don't go cause they aren't widely known or "aren't PAX."
As for FNF, I don't play in it cause the times that I tried, they all left in 5 minutes or only played "the next big shooter." Screw that.
And yes, let's organize a party for underage people in a bar....not exactly epic.
@blindsidedork
Or we could go ahead and just reblog Collegehumor or FunnOrDie, right? That'll get the community rolling full of hope, change, and unity!
Or we could go ahead and just reblog Collegehumor or FunnOrDie, right? That'll get the community rolling full of hope, change, and unity!
I am a firm supporter of people going out of their comfort zones. And all I know is I keep trying to do the same thing that I have been doing since the cblogs came to life...some days you get tired though.
Ok, read it all. Plenty of good suggestions, many that I agree with, others not so much. For example, you say we should reach out to readers more, but even admit we do a lot of that on vent and the forums? Encouraging us to do it more is a good thing, and something we should always strive for, but we can only be so omnipotent some days. Sometimes a step in the right direction, that neither Joystiq or Kotaku takes the time to even try, is all that can be done at the end of the day.
That brings me to #5, the one that hits home for me: "to see Fronz write something other than a game debate!" The reason I bring this up is not because it's directed at me, but because I know a lot of people are in similar shoes. Before the likes of Sterling the Great and other recent epic eras, a few others and myself used to post day and night, over a dozen times a day. With a lot of people who are still here today, well over 50% of all our posts were made back before there was any money involved at all, so it hurts to hear people suggest we don't care. My point isn't even that we do care, because I know you know we do since you've been around so long, but instead I'm just trying to say there's a time and a place. Dtoid has been around almost 3 full years; that's a longgg time. A lot changes.
Back in the day I had plenty of time to work on the site. Nowadays, I don't. I'd much rather step aside and let new blood who have the time and effort give it their all, while I just stick to Game Debates and Mind Teasers (which I'm friggin running out of ideas and games for!!) I don't want to post more unless I know and you know I'm giving it my all, like I used to. I don't want to half ass things, and the reason I don't quit is because I know things will change in the near future. In that same vein, don't think that a lot can't change again. Your list is applaudable, but don't think we don't have big plans for 2009. In my best Ron Workman voice and waving hands: "It's gonna be BIG!"
If you're still as dedicated, efficient and all-around kick ass in six months as you are now, then you can expect not only some good news in terms of changes, but also an email from me inviting you in on the fun. Keep on kicking ass, you're one of our best readers. Don't think we don't notice :)
That brings me to #5, the one that hits home for me: "to see Fronz write something other than a game debate!" The reason I bring this up is not because it's directed at me, but because I know a lot of people are in similar shoes. Before the likes of Sterling the Great and other recent epic eras, a few others and myself used to post day and night, over a dozen times a day. With a lot of people who are still here today, well over 50% of all our posts were made back before there was any money involved at all, so it hurts to hear people suggest we don't care. My point isn't even that we do care, because I know you know we do since you've been around so long, but instead I'm just trying to say there's a time and a place. Dtoid has been around almost 3 full years; that's a longgg time. A lot changes.
Back in the day I had plenty of time to work on the site. Nowadays, I don't. I'd much rather step aside and let new blood who have the time and effort give it their all, while I just stick to Game Debates and Mind Teasers (which I'm friggin running out of ideas and games for!!) I don't want to post more unless I know and you know I'm giving it my all, like I used to. I don't want to half ass things, and the reason I don't quit is because I know things will change in the near future. In that same vein, don't think that a lot can't change again. Your list is applaudable, but don't think we don't have big plans for 2009. In my best Ron Workman voice and waving hands: "It's gonna be BIG!"
If you're still as dedicated, efficient and all-around kick ass in six months as you are now, then you can expect not only some good news in terms of changes, but also an email from me inviting you in on the fun. Keep on kicking ass, you're one of our best readers. Don't think we don't notice :)
What Blehman said.
Also, thank you Necros for putting in the time and effort into writing this. I greatly appreciate it.
Also, thank you Necros for putting in the time and effort into writing this. I greatly appreciate it.
Or get rid of trolls who don't realize I haven't posted a link to those sites in weeks...but trolls will be trolls.
Shit, Excremento beat me to the TL;DR thing ... Really well written and thought out piece, for sure, Necros. If it shows one thing, it's that you're really passionate about Destructoid and its community. Which, of course, is totally awesome.
If I were to address everything, I wouldn't get all of the laundry done I needed to do before I leave for CES. So I just wanted to address a few things. For one, the drive to get more content (in particular, news) on the front page is completely "my fault." Whether we like it or not, we're "competing" with the likes of Joystiq and Kotaku. When people talk about the top gaming blogs, we're in there ... which still feels and sounds absolutely crazy. So my desire to up the content and at the very least match what they do was driven by the fact that I don't want you guys to HAVE to go anywhere else. Despite past drama, I personally have a deep respect for what the guys at Kotaku and Joystiq do; I know first-hand the hard work and dedication that is put into delivering this stuff all day, every day. The idea has always been to take what we have – our personalities, our humor – and make that happen HERE.
So what happens sometimes is exactly what you said: there are times when a little news blurb is written by a writer who may not be super passionate about Game X. Behind-the-scenes, I encourage these guys to pick up stories they're excited about, for whatever reason. Dale or Colette are obvious choices for JRPG stories, if someone beats their kid with a baseball bat over Doom 64 Jim's there, and I don't even try to hide my Rock Band addiction. But with that said, because so much stuff crosses our "desks," sometimes I'm going to end up talking to Bungie about Halo Recon (i.e. at Tokyo Game Show ... dude, I haven't even finished Halo 3 yet!). Or I'm going to ask Dale to write a story about Rock Band because I'm stuck in traffic/eating dinner with my family/taking a crap. Because if he doesn't, it won't get done.
On the side of the writers, everyone is here because we love videogames. We're not paid huge fat sacks of cash to do this; a lot of us don't even do this full time. With that in mind -- and I can't speak for everyone on the staff, but I'm sure it applies -- I can't tell you how passionate I am about gaming and the industry. If I have to write a freakin' story about Madden 2009 because Samit is busy correcting someone's grammar somwhere, I'll do my best to find a way to make it my own. I could talk about videogames all day long; I don't care what the topic is. That's why I do this job ... because while my wife's a gamer, she can only stand so much -- so she told me to start writing about games. It's rare that anyone says anything about my writing -- negative or otherwise -- but I promise you that I personally will always do my best to let my passion show through. And I'll always push these other guys and girls to do the same.
With that said, I know for a fact we want to see the passion for games from you guys, too. It's always been about "STFUJPG," and it still is. But that doesn't mean we don't want to also talk about games, be it intelligently on a deeper level or if we're just creaming over hot looking screenshots of Metal Gear Solid 9. Some of our stories literally have thousands upon thousands of people reading them, but there are only 5 comments, and two of them are people pointing out that I made a typo (personal resolution: proof read my stuff ten times instead of five). I know you guys have stuff to say about just about every topic in videogames. I know this because I certainly do, and I know we're all here for the same reason -- we love videogames. Tell us what you think about the stuff that's going on in the industry. Let's discuss it ... let's argue about it.
I want to to interact with the community more, but it's not as easy as it sounds. I'm an old man. I've got a kid. I've got a family. I've got a job that happens to be making sure the front page has interesting stuff you guys want to read. And when I'm not doing that, I turn off my computer and walk away. I have to. Life calls. I personally can't promise to be in IRC to bullshit for a few hours or to go on the forums and participate in epic threads. But I'm going to try to interact more in 2009. So many of you guys and girls in the community are smart, funny, and interesting characters ... I want to talk about games with you. That's why I'm here. But at least in my case, you have to meet me half way. I promise to stick my head in IRC, the Cblogs, and the forums every now and then. You promise to try to stick your head in front page comment threads and show us you care about stuff. Deal?
Anyhow, I'm always around. gtalk: nick.chester -- email me or find me online to tell me what we're doing wrong or what I'm doing wrong or what you ate for breakfast or what your dogs poo looked like this morning.
If I were to address everything, I wouldn't get all of the laundry done I needed to do before I leave for CES. So I just wanted to address a few things. For one, the drive to get more content (in particular, news) on the front page is completely "my fault." Whether we like it or not, we're "competing" with the likes of Joystiq and Kotaku. When people talk about the top gaming blogs, we're in there ... which still feels and sounds absolutely crazy. So my desire to up the content and at the very least match what they do was driven by the fact that I don't want you guys to HAVE to go anywhere else. Despite past drama, I personally have a deep respect for what the guys at Kotaku and Joystiq do; I know first-hand the hard work and dedication that is put into delivering this stuff all day, every day. The idea has always been to take what we have – our personalities, our humor – and make that happen HERE.
So what happens sometimes is exactly what you said: there are times when a little news blurb is written by a writer who may not be super passionate about Game X. Behind-the-scenes, I encourage these guys to pick up stories they're excited about, for whatever reason. Dale or Colette are obvious choices for JRPG stories, if someone beats their kid with a baseball bat over Doom 64 Jim's there, and I don't even try to hide my Rock Band addiction. But with that said, because so much stuff crosses our "desks," sometimes I'm going to end up talking to Bungie about Halo Recon (i.e. at Tokyo Game Show ... dude, I haven't even finished Halo 3 yet!). Or I'm going to ask Dale to write a story about Rock Band because I'm stuck in traffic/eating dinner with my family/taking a crap. Because if he doesn't, it won't get done.
On the side of the writers, everyone is here because we love videogames. We're not paid huge fat sacks of cash to do this; a lot of us don't even do this full time. With that in mind -- and I can't speak for everyone on the staff, but I'm sure it applies -- I can't tell you how passionate I am about gaming and the industry. If I have to write a freakin' story about Madden 2009 because Samit is busy correcting someone's grammar somwhere, I'll do my best to find a way to make it my own. I could talk about videogames all day long; I don't care what the topic is. That's why I do this job ... because while my wife's a gamer, she can only stand so much -- so she told me to start writing about games. It's rare that anyone says anything about my writing -- negative or otherwise -- but I promise you that I personally will always do my best to let my passion show through. And I'll always push these other guys and girls to do the same.
With that said, I know for a fact we want to see the passion for games from you guys, too. It's always been about "STFUJPG," and it still is. But that doesn't mean we don't want to also talk about games, be it intelligently on a deeper level or if we're just creaming over hot looking screenshots of Metal Gear Solid 9. Some of our stories literally have thousands upon thousands of people reading them, but there are only 5 comments, and two of them are people pointing out that I made a typo (personal resolution: proof read my stuff ten times instead of five). I know you guys have stuff to say about just about every topic in videogames. I know this because I certainly do, and I know we're all here for the same reason -- we love videogames. Tell us what you think about the stuff that's going on in the industry. Let's discuss it ... let's argue about it.
I want to to interact with the community more, but it's not as easy as it sounds. I'm an old man. I've got a kid. I've got a family. I've got a job that happens to be making sure the front page has interesting stuff you guys want to read. And when I'm not doing that, I turn off my computer and walk away. I have to. Life calls. I personally can't promise to be in IRC to bullshit for a few hours or to go on the forums and participate in epic threads. But I'm going to try to interact more in 2009. So many of you guys and girls in the community are smart, funny, and interesting characters ... I want to talk about games with you. That's why I'm here. But at least in my case, you have to meet me half way. I promise to stick my head in IRC, the Cblogs, and the forums every now and then. You promise to try to stick your head in front page comment threads and show us you care about stuff. Deal?
Anyhow, I'm always around. gtalk: nick.chester -- email me or find me online to tell me what we're doing wrong or what I'm doing wrong or what you ate for breakfast or what your dogs poo looked like this morning.
Necros, you've made me feel like a bad person, but you're right (as usual). I've complained and bitched before, but it's just as much my fault as anyone else for the recent stagnation.
Blindside, that's some of the hardest fail I've seen in a while.
Blindside, that's some of the hardest fail I've seen in a while.
Oh man, to bring out a "STFUAJPG" after all these years, and for exactly the right usage . . . it makes me tingle inside :) We're all just dudes who love games, let's enjoy the fact that our industry and its people are AMAZZZZING! <3
Necros, this is one of the most helpful and constructive things to have come out of this whole silly situation. I am incredibly glad someone like you is around, who'll do more than simply complain.
Some of the points are very well made, one or two are a little demanding, but overall this is very helpful and something I will take to heart. If I can find the time, I'll address this all more thoroughly in a CBlog of my own. Until then, let it be known that this was appreciated.
Some of the points are very well made, one or two are a little demanding, but overall this is very helpful and something I will take to heart. If I can find the time, I'll address this all more thoroughly in a CBlog of my own. Until then, let it be known that this was appreciated.
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write such an inspiring post -- I really mean it. I can only hope that everyone gets a chance to see this.
I feel the love. Great post Necros, I need to check out the IRC sometime and really should join in FNF more.
Wow. Way to put your nuts on the table Necros. I haven't said much on this whole "improving Destructoid" tip but I agree with most of what you said.
I do agree with Nick in terms of not having all the time in the world to interact with the community. I mean the dude has kids! I think it's safe to say if you sent him an email, he'd probably get back to you.
Overall, it's nice to see people still care so passionately about the site and the community here.
I do agree with Nick in terms of not having all the time in the world to interact with the community. I mean the dude has kids! I think it's safe to say if you sent him an email, he'd probably get back to you.
Overall, it's nice to see people still care so passionately about the site and the community here.
I didn't realize that Workman was banned. I didn't agree with the banning of Heretic and Reaprar but I could understand it, but banning Ron is just fucked up. :(
I don't comment or write as often as I'd like to, but I do read the Toid every day.
This post was definitely a great read, and I wish I could archive it.
That said, I do hope I can be more active in blogging in general, whether it be on my personal journal, or on destructoid, in the future. :)
*hugs to everyone here*
This post was definitely a great read, and I wish I could archive it.
That said, I do hope I can be more active in blogging in general, whether it be on my personal journal, or on destructoid, in the future. :)
*hugs to everyone here*
I apologize for not having time to leave a more thoughtful comment, but I just wanted to let you know that this post is getting to all of the editors. I read every single word and commend you for sharing your thoughts and suggestions with all of us. I know I'm particularly bad about my relationship with the community -- even though I came from it. Have you ever considered that perhaps some of the editors are intimidated by their readers? I sure am. :) But I will do my best to overcome this in the new year.
Workman got banned? What. The. Fuck. That makes me want to leave. Workmeng was one of the most unique members we had, plus he helped found the place.
I listen to Failcast and go into IRC, does that count for something?
I listen to Failcast and go into IRC, does that count for something?
fair 'nough.
I'm hanging out in IRC more, because the stream of conversation is ridiculous.
And I resolve to make it to a NARP this year.
Also, I'm interested to see what results from kinder, gentler intro commenting. I mean, I think it'll result in an increase in fail. But I would be very happy to be very wrong.
I'm hanging out in IRC more, because the stream of conversation is ridiculous.
And I resolve to make it to a NARP this year.
Also, I'm interested to see what results from kinder, gentler intro commenting. I mean, I think it'll result in an increase in fail. But I would be very happy to be very wrong.
I get nervous around people I don't talk to everyday (ala some of the people who are visiting IRC recently) but I'm trying to talk in the face of people I don't know. And it's also one of my targets to get to a NARP this year. Good show Necros, you flaming racist you.
@ Fronz
I never, ever meant to imply that you didn't care. I know that there's often a reason why some things are the way they are. I think I mixed in a bit of my personal wishes along with my suggestions for both camps, so my mentioning you basically just meant I'd like to see your take on things again. :)
@ Nick (and kinda Jim)
And some people are going to keep being busy throughout 2009. I can't even imagine how much work kids be. I suppose my thoughts were that in some cases these were goals to keep in mind rather then hardline rules to follow, so don't think I'm going to be judging anyone when real-life gets in the way. I just want to see that, in people's minds, they're satisfied with how much they are trying. :)
@ Ashley
To be honest, I'm a little surprised to hear that. Coming from the community side, I'm so used to newer members being in awe that an editor is talking to them that I never really gave it that much thought. Good to hear there's some hesitation coming from the guys in power. :)
@ Every other comment
Thank you so much for the positive responses. It makes me feel good to know that there are so many people who care about Dtoid so much that they would take the time to read something that is far too long. :) Also, I need to stop using smilies in this comment, but I'm feeling really good.
I never, ever meant to imply that you didn't care. I know that there's often a reason why some things are the way they are. I think I mixed in a bit of my personal wishes along with my suggestions for both camps, so my mentioning you basically just meant I'd like to see your take on things again. :)
@ Nick (and kinda Jim)
And some people are going to keep being busy throughout 2009. I can't even imagine how much work kids be. I suppose my thoughts were that in some cases these were goals to keep in mind rather then hardline rules to follow, so don't think I'm going to be judging anyone when real-life gets in the way. I just want to see that, in people's minds, they're satisfied with how much they are trying. :)
@ Ashley
To be honest, I'm a little surprised to hear that. Coming from the community side, I'm so used to newer members being in awe that an editor is talking to them that I never really gave it that much thought. Good to hear there's some hesitation coming from the guys in power. :)
@ Every other comment
Thank you so much for the positive responses. It makes me feel good to know that there are so many people who care about Dtoid so much that they would take the time to read something that is far too long. :) Also, I need to stop using smilies in this comment, but I'm feeling really good.
Yay Necros, just wanted to say TL;DR for the same reasons as Nick but of what I saw it looked good and just wanted to show you my support.
/support
/support
Great post. I've had some ideas bouncing around for some posts, maybe I'll get around to posting them now. Thanks for the motivation!
I'm glad we have people like you around to spark such great thought among pretty much everyone that's read this post. Hopefully it'll do exactly what you intended :)
Also: Dtoid Florida trip to Disney spring breakish? If I was 21 I'd suggest drinking around the world at Epcot, but alas... I can drive :)
I'm glad we have people like you around to spark such great thought among pretty much everyone that's read this post. Hopefully it'll do exactly what you intended :)
Also: Dtoid Florida trip to Disney spring breakish? If I was 21 I'd suggest drinking around the world at Epcot, but alas... I can drive :)

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