The movie most everyone was looking forward to (especially the Hot Topics) came out last night. Probably half of you saw it and half of that wrote a blog about it. But honestly, I was expecting more.
There shouldn't be ANY SPOILERS in here so read on those who haven't seen it!
Now I know with just the opening paragraph here I should expect flames, flames, and more flames. And how can I forget the obvious and original "BlindsideDork hates fun confirmed, lulz?" But I actually have reasons that are most likely guaranteed to be skipped over and not read just to comment.
It's probably best to start at the beginning. Not with the bank heist but with the parking deck with Scarecrow. When Batman showed up I wanted to facepalm hard. Who was this awkward performing plastic dude? I honestly felt I was back to watching
Batman Forever or
Batman & Robin minus the bright, neon lights. The movements and fighting seem so stiff and lame. I know they tried to cover it up with the following scene of Bruce asking for a lighter suit but the motions didn't change too much. I also know that it isn't easy to move in those suits but they managed to pull it off brilliantly in
Batman Begins so why does it look like fail now?
The next obvious sore to me was the pacing. It wasn't horrible but it just seemed off. You get these big moments only to have feeling of steadying down. Mountains and plateaus that just didn't seem to sit well with me. It felt more obvious than
Hellboy 2 in regards to this problem. There wasn't really a moment where I wanted it to end sooner than its long winded performance, but it should've played out better.
I don't believe in Bruce Wayne, or should I saw Christian Bale. His performance in Batman Begins was great but in this film I really started to see him for what he does. I don't like him as Batman. He isn't Batman to me. A major problem I have with him is his voice. This film just really pulled it out and put it there for you to digest and I couldn't. There was a lot of teeth and too much throat. Did he add more? During the movie I was saying I needed to go watch the first Batman to see if I liked Keaton better since Bale was no longer doing it for me. And was it just me or did he look like someone else or just have a wierd face in the beginning? I think it was a mask but it looked kind of off at some points. That's besides the point. I don't believe.
Now the story was one of the last thing that didn't hit my taste buds. It was an alright story but it wasn't gripping enough to really have me saying during the film "this is amazing" like the first one did. The story was impeccable last time around and this one seemed to be off. It didn't pull me enough. It seems pretty straight forward and it tried to pull some twists that I couldn't fall for I guess. Not sure what they could've done to rectify this but it just didn't do it for me.
That being said I did like some aspects of the movie. The most interesting (and I really do mean that) parts were anything involving Joker and Two-Face/Harvey Dent. They were interesting to watch and so well executed. I really tried to see this Joker character and I felt the audience was rewarded with a character that seemed to grow with the movie and become more interesting with every time he stepped into the footage. He was pretty darn intelligent and articulate and knew what he was doing. Just a great performance...but I am sure every little Hot Topic runt who dressed up as him last night will say the same thing. I just didn't want to to stop watching him.
As for Two-Face, I wasn't sure how that was going to play out. I had gotten use to the one from the animated series and liked the deep throat sound of him. It is easy to see why they toned his voice down, so you don't get confused with the Throated Crusader. But like Joker, I loved his performance. I wanted to see more and more of Two-Face and the angle they gave him. His other half's look did grow on me as well. A new look, but as you saw more, it looked better and better. These were some good casting decisions.
Obviously there are things I liked about this movie and didn't.
I'm not saying this movie sucked but I am saying
it wasn't amazing. It wasn't spectacular, I have seen better movies. It was alright and most of that was solely due to Joker and Two-Face and maybe a little to the ending fight scenes. I know when that Batpod just showed up I was yawning at that incredibly boring chase on the bike. I think part of the movie's problem was there was too much Batman camera time during the fight scenes (the camera was on him too much) or something along those lines. But that doesn't help with the story.
So there, I was disappointed with The Dar Knight. Flame on?
Blindside hates fun CONFIRMED!
ZOMG LULZ!
Have you no heart?
hmmm. still definately gonna see it.
your inner child has died, hasn't he?
I have my own concerns about the movie and some of the shots of the mask make him look like a goth toucan-sam but as soon as we can get a baby sitter we're off to see it.
yaaaaay children! (at least his tax rebate will pay for my pc upgrades..)
batman camera???????
is that a NEW utility belt item?
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*goes to blog*
I could see how you would be turned off by the throaty Batman voice. I wasn't really aware of it until one part in the final fight with Joker, where Batman was grimacing and talking, and it really stood out as a little absurd. But then again, there's supposed to be a big difference in the Bruce Wayne/Batman personae, right?. There's no denying that Bale pulls off the Lamborghini driving, model dating (x3) billionaire playboy thing, though.
I just appreciated the fact that the movie had some depth to it, and I was especially intrigued by the chaos/control dichotomy set up between the Joker and Batman/Harvey Dent. There were some interesting layers added in, such as the references to Caesar, that could have easily been left out in favor of 8 million explosions. I'm not saying the explosions weren't cool or anything...
Needless to say, Heath Ledger was incredible.
Pacing was fine to me, and you realize there was a fake batman? Right? :P
It was amazing to me, but its impossible for everyone to like it.
Yes, there was TWO fake Batman...Batmen...something. ZOMG SPOILERz!11!!
I thought Batman was too angry in the last one too. Not enough to really mess up the character, but it just didn't have the right feel. If it's even more so in this one, I'll most likely agree that it was too much.
@BlindsideDork:
The active fighting did suck.
The only cool thing about the fighting especially at the end is how he like set shit up so awesomely as he went through the floors.
But that was with help from that doo hickey with cell phones.
All in all I thought it was awesome most of the time, just not when he was fighting.
Plus Heath did play that role flawlessly.
Yeah, his voice was way too throaty. Maggie Gyllenhall (?) is way too weird looking to be interesting. I hated the first movie's fight scenes because you didn't actually SEE anything. Everything was just a big blur aimed below where you normally would see a fight. Of course you're gonna say you've seen better movies; it's like comparing a licensed game to another AAA title. In terms of superhero movies, I think this truly set the bar higher... until Watchmen is released, of course.
All of this and I absolutely HATE everything Batman-related. Gosh.
Blindside hates everything good in the world CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL
I totally fucking agree about the Batman thing. They let him speak too damn much as Batman in this movie, and it starts sounding ridiculous, to the point where it makes me want to squirm on occasion.
I also agree the pacing seemed a bit off, but it wasn't that bad. It was still a great film I think. I wish the ending could have been a bit different, though. Not enough death.
The Batman voice was a little odd at first for me too. I don't remember if it was like that in Buttman Begins, but I got used to it. No complaints. The SPOILER(kind of) Scarecrow part was a little odd and felt out of place to me, as if they were like, "Well, we should throw him in there somewhere....alright there we go". Joker and Dent are what made the movie great for me.
Oh, and I prefer Keaton. I didn't think Jack Nicholson could be outdone, but the backstory mixed with Ledger topped it, IMO.
"I have seen better movies"
I wholeheartedly agree with that, but for a superhero movie, and for Batman, I thought they did very well.
I actually agree with most of your points, after a little thought, though I didn't think any of them were a show-stopper. I, too, followed more closely the villains and thought the movie was that much better for it. Batman wasn't the really the focus of the movie, so I kinda glossed over the slightly noticeable deficiency in Bale's Batman.
Also, Batman camera, confirmed. Kinda.
=D
holy shit he basically just said
!christian bale--
kill him.
I loved every second of it. And, quite frankly, what do you think Batman would sound like? He's supposed to be a pissed off angry dude who strikes fear in the hearts of men. He's not supposed to sound like a nice guy.
The only Bat voice I think was any better was the animated series'. But then again, that was a cartoon that wasn't really all that dark or realistic (despite having flawless versions of many characters therein) so the voice had to be toned down a bit.
^ Agreed, I grew up watching the animated series, so I always associate that voice work with how Batman is "supposed" to sound.
As for the movie, I'm going to see it this evening, so I'll make my final conclusions then.
Batman should sound more like Kratos.
BlindsideDork hates fun confirmed, lulz?
@Thefil: Ew. Are you serious? Talk about a throaty overbearing voice. Hell no.
Batman's voice kinda reminds me of Solid Snake. So it's win-win either way.
So you want Batman to be black?
that was supposed to be directed at Thefil
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I agree with the voice thing. It was so fucking stupid. That and Joker stole all the good scenes so Batman didn't seem as cool.
I still loved it though.
Voice thingy = fucking full of fail
The Joker = fucking awesome
overall I thought the movie was damn amazing. I mean, I just really really enjoyed it. The movie was awesome because of the Joker.
Eeally? You had a problem with the pacing? I felt it was much better than Begins, where 80% of the story took place in the 1st half.
I'll admit, the movie wasn't without its faults, but the good parts were so good I barely noticed them.
I believe in Christopher Nolan.
I haven't seen it yet. But from everything I've already heard, I know I'll like it, if not love it. What kind of Batman movie are you expecting?! Most likely one that will never see the light of day, cause honestly I don't think anything could possibly get better than this film (from what I've heard) and the one before it.
I won't be seeing The Dark Knight 'til probably later today, maybe tomorrow, but I can already agree with one of your gripes; the voice. Bale's "Batman voice" bugged me in the first flick, so I'm sure it'll be the same here. I'm still pretty pumped to see this movie though...
"It's probably best to start at the beginning. Not with the bank heist but with the parking deck with Scarecrow."
No spoilers, eh
haha
Why so serious?
Okay, just got back from the theater.
Yes, I agree with the pacing and the voice. Bale's Bat-Smoker impression was the one thing that removed the sense of immersion and believability that the rest of the movie had. And while the only ill effect of the pacing was that it made the climactic faceoff less...climactic.
Other than those issues, I mostly agree with Slife, the rest of the movie was so good that you didn't notice it as much. It's not the best movie ever by any means, but definitely the best superhero/comic book movie yet.
I guess I wasn't dissapointed since I am a simpleton. I did however love the villans. Every time Joker opened his mouth, you could hear a pin drop in the theater and I loved how he could be so friggin diabolical with a smile on his face the whole time.
Also, I want pretty lights in me too.
I wanted more Joker and less 2 Face. I thought 2 Face could/should have been hinted at in this movie and then fully explored in the next one, might have helped somewhat in the overall length department too which I felt was a little too long. Ledger's performance surpassed my expectations though, and I wanted more of him. When you throw 2 major villans in a movie it gets homoganized and you lose some of the edge you could have had if it was only 1. That's what I thought anyway. But overall it was a great movie.
I liked it lots and I miss you Blindside. I'm coming back though!