games  anime  |  toys
This is a Dtoid readers's blog. For staff blogs click here. Confused? read this Create you own!  |   Members: Login now





Nothing is Sacred: RPG-style Upgrades and the Inability to Incapacitate
Batthink | 4:58 PM on 10.28.2009 5 comments




I love RPGs. There is nothing I love more piling hours of my time into them, slowly generating a character, evolving them through battles and then watching with glee at seeing them pummel a powerful enemy into the ground. Unlocking new skills is like unwrapping a present; for me it is Christmas every couple of hours. To celebrate the birth of our Lord and Saviour, I learnt how to set multiple enemies on fire rather than just the single (insert smile-symbol here)!

And what could be more interesting than having a game that combines an RPG mechanic within another genre? It sounds sweet, that’s what! In the case of Deus Ex, there are RPG-style upgrades within the confines of an adventure FPS. I played most of the game (my copy for the PC strangely disappeared on me), and I loved it to pieces.

There was only one problem…the way you started out didn’t make sense.

Okay, here’s the deal. You’ve already accustomed yourself to the tutorial level, working out what button does what and how to gain experience to achieve the upgrades, where to put them, etc. You then start off as a fully-trained UNATCO agent, ready for your first mission. Your task; to take down terrorists who have captured the Statue of Liberty. You can take them out how you want, although it’s suggested that you try to keep casualties to a minimum with tranquilizer darts or stun-batons. Oh, and you have a few upgrades to begin with. Handy.

So what I did when I played was to put the upgrades on firearms (for tranquilizer dart fire, natch) and strength (for close combat, or a club to the head). Now, I decided to creep up on a target from a distance behind a group of crates. Okay, videogame staple, I know, but the bad guys need to get supplies in somehow. I decided to fire off a couple of dart rounds just to make sure I could bring the fella down, then duck back behind cover. The fool noticed a stinging dart in his arse, and knew something was wrong. His natural reaction was to try and find the source of what penetrated his backside, and I waited for him to drop unconscious…

….and waited…

….and waited…

….and waited, SH*T, HE FOUND ME.

After about twenty seconds of wondering whether he was prone on the floor or not, he had spotted me behind the crates and starting firing a weapon at me. With damaged pride and a few additional bullet-holes on my cyber-enhanced body, I escaped him. He went back to guarding the area, and I had to form a new plan.



Over the course of trying to take out the various guards to complete the level, more things happened to me that became a little bit nonsensical. I would shoot more tranquilizer darts with careful aiming, only to realise I had missed the target when I had a decent sight of it or hit the object I was being covered by. I got the hang of shooting and running a mile after a while, but maybe I was only doing it more because of my lack of confidence regards the use of blunt objects. My first attempt trying to club someone around the back of the head went like this; creep up behind the target, stand up, club. The terrorist responded by turning around. Seriously, I hammered the mouse-button like mad, trying to strike that arsehole down. By the time I had hit him for the third time, he had yelled out, started running backwards and fired his gun at in my direction. Honestly, this is ‘normal’ difficulty here.

Try upgrading shooting or strength abilities, you might say. Well, that’s a good idea, but there is a problem. For every person you defeat and every objective that is completed, you get experience to spend on your upgrades….but only when you do them successfully. I’d like to be able to have the ability to kick ass straight away, but if you can’t kick ass well and you need to kick ass in order to be kick ass….well, you’re facing an uphill struggle. I could try to resort the upgrades, but I didn’t think the game would let me do that unless I restarted the game from the very beginning. That would be very useful if I could change abilities on the fly, weakening one power to strengthen another, but this, I believe, wasn’t an option.



In narrative, this underpowered individual doesn’t make sense. You are Denton, a UNATCO agent. You should be able to karate chop people on the back of the neck, and they should drop to the floor or at least be incapacitated in some way. You should be trained as a counter-terrorist. You should have had so much training in the shooting range that hitting the target from a distance in some part of the anatomy should be no problem. You’ve been cybernetically-enhanced. You should be able to do more than what your standard rookie soldier can do. There should be more ‘are’ than ‘should’ in this paragraph.

That’s maybe the problem with basing your character on an individual who starts with the need to improve. Get the balance (in who your character is, what he/she can do to begin with, and what they can improve in) right, and you not only have a useful, believable character, but someone who can progress in the game the way you want to. After all, you are given the tools to shape the agent into a stealth, heavy or assault-focused warrior.

That said, there is another, more concerning downside to a weak character in a game like that. This aspect is present when someone is watching you playing.

If you sense that a game with RPG-upgrades makes you look completely and utterly inept, which is probably what happens at the start of a game, maybe it is better you play the first bit alone. Then, once you’ve powered-up your character to become a little proficient in what you want to perform in, allow your friends around to show off how good you are. You don’t want to look like you are playing with all the skills of a Stormtrooper.



A visible case in point would be if you were that Mysteron who tries to shoot Captain Scarlet at the beginning of the show;



You’d take a look at that and say ‘WTF, that guy can’t shoot’ and you’d be right. It doesn’t show off Captain Scarlet’s ‘indestructibility’. It doesn’t make good viewing for anyone who wants to use that for an application for the army or a Counterstrike team. In fact, your fellow Mysterons would probably be laughing their heads off so much, that they wouldn’t be able to give out that scary message threatening to destroy or kill something on Earth to Spectrum Command properly. That’s what you risk after failing on a game that deliberately under-powers your avatar (not Mysterons, but embarrassment and shame).

I don’t know yet if the second Deus Ex game sorted these issues out, because I never got round to playing it yet. My memory of the first game was sketchy enough that I could be wrong on at least one part of the game mechanics. If you want to correct or update me, feel free to comment. Give me an example of a game where the inclusion of RPG-stats done little or took away for the enjoyment of it. Just as long as it isn’t as shameful to me as trying to hit a terrorist on the back of the head with all the power of an 80 year-old riot policeman.



Attached photos:

Photo Photo Photo Photo

  related blogs:
 

Is this post awesome? Vote it up!

2

Those who have fapped:  Elsa  

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

5 comments | showing # 1 to 5

prev next

Elsa's Destructoid Blog
Nice blog! Yeah, I hate being underpowered in RPG's... and I hate it when you keep leveling up, only to find the bad guys apparently level up faster than you do - even if you do some grinding. :(
Khazar222's Destructoid Blog
It's a feedback mechanism to keep you playing. It creates an illusion of progress, by increasing the numbers, but moving enemies up accordingly. Three decades of RPGs (strategy games technically) have been working this way, and hell if they're ever going to change a working business model.
10BobMarleys's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, the tranq darts are an instant knockout if you get a headshot. Deus Ex is one of the best games of all time. You are not good at it.
Batthink's Destructoid Blog
@ Elsa;

Thanks. ^_^

@ Khazar222;

Yeah, I can accept you start off weak and everything in RPGs and level-up alongside the enemy you fight, it's just at the start of Deus Ex, it makes a lot less sense.

@ 10BobMarleys;

Believe me, nobody is good at it if your shooting is off the mark because you need to upgrade your firearms skills. Don't get me wrong, I love the game, its just that when you aim at someone's head when they are standing stock still from a short distance, things don't go always to plan when your firearms skill is very low.

Next time I get a chance to play through the game, I'm going to walk right up to the back of the target and put a dart into the skull at point blank range. I guess the incident with the blunt object made me a lot less confident at going up-close-and-personal.
fulldamage's Destructoid Blog
Man, there ARE A lot of RPG posts this month!

You hit on real fundamental issue here though. In a traditional RPG, you obviously need a "combat" or "firearms" or some kind of stat to determine how well you do when you "roll to attack." When you miss, you just assume that your character misses, no big deal. But in a video game where YOU are actually aiming and firing your weapon at someone directly in front of you in 3D, it just seems plain stupid that you can miss when you have the target right in your crosshairs. We understand why the system is that way, but it still looks and feels wrong.


prev next


Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!

 about me

I am a gamer of 27 years of age. I explode with rage when prodded or teased. You have been warned. I am a human-being, you know? With feelings.

I also have a likeness for Mr. Crow, Morrigan Aensland and RPGs.

My favourites: Road Rash (Mega Drive)/Dark Chronicle (PS2)/Pro Evolution Soccer (PS2)/Burnout Revenge (PS2)/Resident Evil 2 (PS)

Currently playing: Monster Hunter Freedom (PSP)
Persona 3 (PS2)
Far Cry 2 (X360)

Mood: Okay.

Fanboy class: Dedicated enough to get decent RPGs and action figures.

Favorite music artists:

Boards of Canada
Joy Division
Mr Scruff
Talvin Singh
The Prodigy
Primal Scream
High Contrast
DJ Shadow
Nightmares On Wax
Cocteau Twins
Bonobo
The Chemical Brothers
Kenji Kawai
Ian Brown
The Go! Team
Beck
Principles Of Geometry

Moments of Glory:

Monthly Musing

Expanded Universes
Untapped Potential
I Suck At Games

 xbox 360 gamertag
 friends' updates
Ali D's Profile Ali D
Is the tide turning against Steam?
Anus Mcphanus's Profile Anus Mcphanus
So Sony had a launch party for their Video Delivery Service last night...
Aurvantoid's Profile Aurvantoid
A Plethora of DKS3713 news!! (Square-Enix conference) Part 1 - Parasite Eve, FFXIII, FFVIIACC and more!
Awesomeist's Profile Awesomeist
Disgaea, the series that is eating my soul. And I like it!
BahamutZero's Profile BahamutZero
Pachter's dumber than a bag of rocks, buy Borderlands.
Brilliam's Profile Brilliam
The EVERYGAME blog: it's elolmentloly, my dear lolson
BulletMagnet's Profile BulletMagnet
The Obscurer Tribune # 21
Castle's Profile Castle
Who saw Jaffe's response coming a mile away? I did!
Cataract's Profile Cataract
Destructoid Secret Santa 2: Important news!
ceark's Profile ceark
I can't figure some things out and it's driving me nuts.
Ckarasu's Profile Ckarasu
A gift to the community: Demon's Souls PS3 theme (Sexy Update with a new theme)
Clyde's Profile Clyde
Magic the Gathering : Dtoid
Colette Bennett's Profile Colette Bennett
The Whispered World gets lucky at German Game Dev Awards
Cutie Honey's Profile Cutie Honey
Mr. Anthony Burch and Father. The Best is Yet to Come.
DanGale's Profile DanGale
Dtoid Discusses: UK Dtoiders visit Capcom
DarwinMayflower's Profile DarwinMayflower
A reason for non-Nintendo Handheld FF1-6 Remakes
de BLOO's Profile de BLOO
Even more characters Confirmed for SSF4!!
Demitri Girl's Profile Demitri Girl
New Games to be Announced at TGS;Darkstalkers Campaign Video
Diverse's Profile Diverse
Keep yourself clothed in Indie
DtoidUK's Profile DtoidUK
Dtoid UK: We return from Eurogamer.
dTunes's Profile dTunes
dTunes: Everyday Legend's Week, Day 3
Electro Lemon's Profile Electro Lemon
CAPTION CONTEST: Jim Sterling in Miami!
EX35's Profile EX35
Hazama confirmed for BlazBlue. Pics inside.
FlonneMcNinja's Profile FlonneMcNinja
I F*cking Love Tacticals, Part Four--Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
Gandysampras's Profile Gandysampras
PAX 09: Also, Shark Cocks
Gen Eric Gui's Profile Gen Eric Gui
Public Service Announcement: How to control your allies' actions in battle in Persona 3
Genki-JAM's Profile Genki-JAM
CABELLA BIG GAME HUNTER 2010 ON AMAZON GOLD BOX NOW!!
geoffuws's Profile geoffuws
FSA EP 15: Games to Film, Fracture, The Last Guy
GigaMach's Profile GigaMach
Three Dreamcast Exclusives You Have to Play. Period.
GrumpyTurtle's Profile GrumpyTurtle
Know what I get to do?
insomnia's Profile insomnia
Euro FNF - TF2 - 29-08-2009 - No PAX for us edition
Jonathan Kerr's Profile Jonathan Kerr
Fails at blogging.
Josh Tolentino's Profile Josh Tolentino
A Real Girlfriend lets you stick your finger up her nose
JoshDunford's Profile JoshDunford
Is this the end?
Justice's Profile Justice
A new addition to the household (shortblog)
Kazekawa's Profile Kazekawa
Fails at blogging.
Mar Vell's Profile Mar Vell
10 Things You Didn't Know About Mar Vell
NadjaRiot's Profile NadjaRiot
Fails at blogging.
NihonTiger90's Profile NihonTiger90
What'd You Get? - Thanksgiving Edition
nilcam's Profile nilcam
An update approaches
njsykora's Profile njsykora
Xbox Live Indie Games Sends Me to Bullet Hell Heaven
Ocified-Xboxer's Profile Ocified-Xboxer
Dtoid Forza 3 Camaro
phamtq's Profile phamtq
Product Review: Rock Band Drum Set Silencer
Phoenix Gamma's Profile Phoenix Gamma
Wii owners! This is a call to arms! Buy Sin & Punishment 2!
ResignedGamer's Profile ResignedGamer
NPC's do not deserve to have eyeballs
Rider Chop's Profile Rider Chop
This game sucks: Back to the Future
Rockvillian's Profile Rockvillian
I Suck at Games: Negative Reinforcement Negatively Reinforces Everything
s0lesurviv0r's Profile s0lesurviv0r
Teach juggles, ultras, and cancels early!
ShawnKelfonne's Profile ShawnKelfonne
Interested in 3D Dot Game Heroes? Check this out.
Shin Oni's Profile Shin Oni
SSF4 new character trailer
sirinth's Profile sirinth
Bahamut vs Alexander
SystemFZero's Profile SystemFZero
Top ten video game boobs!
The Duke's Profile The Duke
The FEAR: Adventures In Xbox 360 Cleaning.
TheDreadHawk's Profile TheDreadHawk
(not-so)Micro-Review: Second L- I mean Home
thinkfreemind's Profile thinkfreemind
Ubisoft Rant. Other.
Thornnn's Profile Thornnn
Finally pics of the new one and an article that scared the Mt Dew outta me.
Togail's Profile Togail
Yutoria, the Burning Rainbow [NVGR/Artsy]
Virtualgirl's Profile Virtualgirl
Not Everyone Loves GTA - Interview with the Parents Television Council
walkyourpath's Profile walkyourpath
Thanks, You Guys! (Header Image Unrelated)
WDot's Profile WDot
FACT: Mr. Destructoid stars in Eternity's Child.
yuiichi's Profile yuiichi
The start of the affair: Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
Zoel's Profile Zoel
Japan you disappoint me


 

 
  get involved

register or login
post a blog
post a forum
enter a contest
contribute a news tip
suggest a feature
be a guest editor
support

new member's guide
login assistance
tech support
report abuse
email our editors
read our dev blog
nuclear crisis?
keep in touch

RSS feed
Twitter
Facebook
Myspace
Flickr
Game nights
Meetup+play online
seriously

about Destructoid
advertising
terms of use
privacy policy
jobs at MM
buy our crap
our network

Tomopop
Japanator
Despingation?




Destructoid is an independently-run publication forged by our love of video games and the gaming community's need of accountable enthusiast press
living the dream since March 16, 2006