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There are some people so hell bent on winning that they make the game miserable for everyone. It is not like I play to lose games, I do play to win, but I also understand that things happen. The only time I get upset is at purposeful griefers, but that is a whole other story.
Keep in mind that I am the type of gamer that researches extensively before I even think of playing a game, I look at strategies, watch videos, and even memorize maps/items/etc. So when someone gets mad at me because I happen to have a bad game, and tells me that I do not know what I am doing. It makes me miserable, not only that but then I perform worse because I having to deal with a teammate that is flooding the chat/voice/etc. with insults. I never say anything back or at most say I am sorry or that I will attempt something different, but it does not matter to certain individuals. There are just some people who cannot accept that losing is a part of competition, and that there is a chance that you will be on the losing team even if you play the absolute best you can. If you cannot accept a lost, then do not play. If you ONLY play to win, then do not play. Play because it is fun, play to get even better, play to compete.
Honestly, things will never change. Many people consider their time so valuable that they cannot accept losing, these are generally individuals who cannot stand the thought that the time they spent losing can be used as a learning experience. Even when you have been given the crappiest team, you can pull to victory, but you do not get there by fighting with your own teammates. You get there by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and getting even better, and setting an example for others to follow.
@DrButler
What is the context of your statement? That Atary should think of others? I think he is, he is thinking that others need to relax or they will be disappointed every single time they lose a game and never grow. I am assuming if this is the context you are framing your statement, then you happen to be one of these individuals who sees your team as an obstacle to your win rather than an asset. These same individuals tend to overestimate their strengths and downplay their weaknesses, but have no trouble in magnifying others weaknesses, and ignoring their strengths. They also use the argument, "If you are not playing to win, then you are wasting other's time" Without considering that there are many reasons why someone may play a game, and that these can all lead to victory. In fact, sometimes even better as the person playing is more intrinsically motivated to play the game and get better.
Keep in mind that I am the type of gamer that researches extensively before I even think of playing a game, I look at strategies, watch videos, and even memorize maps/items/etc. So when someone gets mad at me because I happen to have a bad game, and tells me that I do not know what I am doing. It makes me miserable, not only that but then I perform worse because I having to deal with a teammate that is flooding the chat/voice/etc. with insults. I never say anything back or at most say I am sorry or that I will attempt something different, but it does not matter to certain individuals. There are just some people who cannot accept that losing is a part of competition, and that there is a chance that you will be on the losing team even if you play the absolute best you can. If you cannot accept a lost, then do not play. If you ONLY play to win, then do not play. Play because it is fun, play to get even better, play to compete.
Honestly, things will never change. Many people consider their time so valuable that they cannot accept losing, these are generally individuals who cannot stand the thought that the time they spent losing can be used as a learning experience. Even when you have been given the crappiest team, you can pull to victory, but you do not get there by fighting with your own teammates. You get there by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and getting even better, and setting an example for others to follow.
@DrButler
What is the context of your statement? That Atary should think of others? I think he is, he is thinking that others need to relax or they will be disappointed every single time they lose a game and never grow. I am assuming if this is the context you are framing your statement, then you happen to be one of these individuals who sees your team as an obstacle to your win rather than an asset. These same individuals tend to overestimate their strengths and downplay their weaknesses, but have no trouble in magnifying others weaknesses, and ignoring their strengths. They also use the argument, "If you are not playing to win, then you are wasting other's time" Without considering that there are many reasons why someone may play a game, and that these can all lead to victory. In fact, sometimes even better as the person playing is more intrinsically motivated to play the game and get better.
Considering that this is entirely framed based on the writer's subjective experience, DrButler's comment is appropriate. The very nature of team multiplayer is that people get extremely annoyed when it seems that a particular player is throwing the game because they simply didn't put enough effort into understanding the game before they started. With the case of League of Legends, generally you're matched with people at your skill level when you enter the game [so other new players], which implies that if you've found people knowledgeable and angry enough to rage at you that you sought that level of gameplay out.
Also, this whole thing presents a false dichotomy. Very few people expect to win every game, but they do want to play games that are competitive and thus fun. If they lost from the start because one player didn't care enough, that is basically the reverse of what you're complaining about here: that one player had a different attitude to the game than you did and it ruined your fun.
Also, this whole thing presents a false dichotomy. Very few people expect to win every game, but they do want to play games that are competitive and thus fun. If they lost from the start because one player didn't care enough, that is basically the reverse of what you're complaining about here: that one player had a different attitude to the game than you did and it ruined your fun.
For sake of argument, yeah, there's a difference between enjoying the game and playing multiplayer mode and getting stuck with bad teammates several times in a row. Maybe they're not looking to win all the time but losing 3 times in a row because the scores reveal that your teammates are a liability rather than actually helping.
Also, my two cents on the ME3 scenario is that people generally don't have a favorable opinion of Human Vanguards with the stereotype of them charging into stupid situations and using nova, only to get killed in the middle of an impossible mob. Not everyone does this yeah but it's the stereotype nobody wants to deal with.
Also, my two cents on the ME3 scenario is that people generally don't have a favorable opinion of Human Vanguards with the stereotype of them charging into stupid situations and using nova, only to get killed in the middle of an impossible mob. Not everyone does this yeah but it's the stereotype nobody wants to deal with.
There are definitely people who genuinely believe they do no wrong and there are people who genuinely expect to win every game (and if they lose it is NEVER their fault, but the fault of the teammates). I mean surely you have run into these people Caliban and Strider? The type of person that even if you are at the top of the leaderboard, have played as a teammate and not soloed, and have executed successful strategies they find fault with that one mistake and will not let you live it down. I have real life friends like this, who I refuse to play with online, so I hope I am not the only person who knows people like this. Also, I am not saying these are the ONLY types of online gamers there are nor am I saying that you can ONLY either play to win or play for fun and not both. I do not know if you were specially targeting me Caliban, but I was not presenting a false dichotomy. I merely saying there are A-type of players, but by all means there are A, B, C. Also there may be an A-reason for playing games, but again, there are A,B,C reasons to play games, but these are not mutually exclusive. My reason for playing can be for fun and to win, hence a C-reason, but yours can be only to win so an A-reason. I just wanted to clarify so you do not dismiss my argument so freely, however, if you are targeting Atary, then he will have to defend himself.
And the problem all stems from what players assume others are like. You should never assume that just because someone is not doing so great they do not care enough. Rather than flooding the chat with insults, is it not better to ask if they need help/advice/anything constructive? Like an actual teammate? I mean honestly, is this so crazy to ask for in team games? If you are finding yourself in a losing rut, it is often because the team lacks coordination, lacks focus, lacks strategy. But hurling insults and calling people out only makes the game more tense and people give up. I have seen way too often in games like LoL where someone attacks someone else through the whole match after the person made a single mistake and finally the person just gives up. Then no matter how far ahead we were, even sometimes winning by a landslide, we lose. We lose not because of the mistakes made by the "bad" player, but because of the person who decided that anything less than perfection is punishable by insults and poor sportsmanship. All I am saying, independent of this blog, is that try to be a teammate first, and a competitor second.
Note: I can understand when people get upset when they reach out a sporting hand to help a fellow teammate and that teammate hurls it back in their face. I can totally understand the frustrations there and I do not mean to suggest that bad players who do NOT accept help/advice/etc. get a free pass. There are bad players who have the potential to become great teammates, with you and the rest of the teams help. Though bad players who refuse to at least make a noble effort, rightly should be ignored. I would still argue that insults do not get you far in life as they can break down the rest of the team morale, but that is another story for another day.
And the problem all stems from what players assume others are like. You should never assume that just because someone is not doing so great they do not care enough. Rather than flooding the chat with insults, is it not better to ask if they need help/advice/anything constructive? Like an actual teammate? I mean honestly, is this so crazy to ask for in team games? If you are finding yourself in a losing rut, it is often because the team lacks coordination, lacks focus, lacks strategy. But hurling insults and calling people out only makes the game more tense and people give up. I have seen way too often in games like LoL where someone attacks someone else through the whole match after the person made a single mistake and finally the person just gives up. Then no matter how far ahead we were, even sometimes winning by a landslide, we lose. We lose not because of the mistakes made by the "bad" player, but because of the person who decided that anything less than perfection is punishable by insults and poor sportsmanship. All I am saying, independent of this blog, is that try to be a teammate first, and a competitor second.
Note: I can understand when people get upset when they reach out a sporting hand to help a fellow teammate and that teammate hurls it back in their face. I can totally understand the frustrations there and I do not mean to suggest that bad players who do NOT accept help/advice/etc. get a free pass. There are bad players who have the potential to become great teammates, with you and the rest of the teams help. Though bad players who refuse to at least make a noble effort, rightly should be ignored. I would still argue that insults do not get you far in life as they can break down the rest of the team morale, but that is another story for another day.
Every time I see someone doing poorly, and it's exceptionally common since I play support in LoL, I try to offer tips, ie. "Don't autoattack minions, only hit them when they're about to die", "build X item to maximize damage", et cetera. 9 times of 10? "OMG I KNOW" when clearly, based on their gameplay, they don't, or "FUCK YOU" and they proceed to rant and rave for the rest of the game based on the fact someone dared to try to improve their skills and thus their own game.
A lot of the mistakes people make in LoL are easily avoided IF you do your "homework". Reading a pro guide on your champion, reading the basic "how to play" guides the aforementioned pros write will basically immunize you against the decisions most ragers get angry about. In these circumstances, unless the player is very obviously new, then I think it is fair to assume they do not care about the game.
In my opinion, there are just as many "I play for fun" jerks as there are "WINNING IS EVERYTHING" jerks. It comes down to which one is more considerate. Seeing as winning is universally favourable, and what constitutes fun can be a subjective and personal thing, it's the "play to win" attitude that would be superior if universally adopted.
A lot of the mistakes people make in LoL are easily avoided IF you do your "homework". Reading a pro guide on your champion, reading the basic "how to play" guides the aforementioned pros write will basically immunize you against the decisions most ragers get angry about. In these circumstances, unless the player is very obviously new, then I think it is fair to assume they do not care about the game.
In my opinion, there are just as many "I play for fun" jerks as there are "WINNING IS EVERYTHING" jerks. It comes down to which one is more considerate. Seeing as winning is universally favourable, and what constitutes fun can be a subjective and personal thing, it's the "play to win" attitude that would be superior if universally adopted.
I play online games a lot... most every night, and I think that it's not so much that "winning" matters more than having fun... but rather that you are just running into various personalty types.
I'm an armchair general... I tend to be barking orders and relaying enemy movements and it's just a subconscious thing - talking out loud. It's part of playing any team based game and it's actually good if you have at least one person coordinating the team.
"the anti-air is going down, everybody get your asses to the AA... spawn with a repair gun if you're dead... everybody else, guard the people repairing!" - it sounds like orders... but it's actually common sense and anyone playing the game for a long time knows to do this anyway. Someone new to the game might regard it as barking orders - but it's really just team awareness. Most of these people don't even care if you start barking opposing orders - "forget the AA! The bunker line is gone, get to the burnoff towers!". These people just want team coordination and they want to talk strategy - they want the team working as a team.
You can mute them, ignore them... or follow orders and gain the advantage of working as part of a team. Telling them to "chill out" is the equivalent of saying "I'm not here to play as part of a team, I just wanna do my own thing".
Really, it's the same with people saying you don't have the right gear... they just want you working as part of the team. Ask what gear you should have - you might pick up some tips.
The thing is... when you play a team based game, people tend to be team oriented. If you're not team oriented, your best bet is to play a different game - like Call of Duty - a game where team tactics aren't nearly as important and everyone does their own thing.
People do play to have fun... but in a team based game, the game is a lot more fun when people play as a team. When you're lone wolfing it, you can expect to get a bit of flack - it's just not a big deal. I love it when I choose to snipe in a game and someone gets on mic and starts calling out all the damn snipers that aren't going for the objectives... yeah, I do tend to feel a little guilty, but mostly I just don't really care. Sometimes I actually do give up sniping though and start working with my team - so whining does work! LOL!
The situations you talk about aren't really about the winning, it sounds like it's more about the teamwork... but that being said, there are some dickheads that really are all about the winning. This usually happens when you get in with a clan that looks at your rank and promptly boots you from the game.... or starts teamkilling the snipers.
As others have noted, the griefers are the worst though - these are the lone wolfs that are just in the game to work against their team and be idiots on purpose. They want people to be pissed off at them and they get off on disrupting the team.
if you want to play just for fun... play the FNF (Friday Night Fights) with Dtoid. You'll still have the armchair generals... but they won't care if you do what they say or not (and chances are, neither did the other guy until you called him out on it).
Oh... and for the record, it's probably worst being a female armchair general. The response I got wasn't "just chill" it was "who's the tranny barking orders?". Apparently I sound like a gay male or "tranny" rather than a woman! LOL! In online games, people can say a lot worst things than calling out what their team should be doing... :)
I'm an armchair general... I tend to be barking orders and relaying enemy movements and it's just a subconscious thing - talking out loud. It's part of playing any team based game and it's actually good if you have at least one person coordinating the team.
"the anti-air is going down, everybody get your asses to the AA... spawn with a repair gun if you're dead... everybody else, guard the people repairing!" - it sounds like orders... but it's actually common sense and anyone playing the game for a long time knows to do this anyway. Someone new to the game might regard it as barking orders - but it's really just team awareness. Most of these people don't even care if you start barking opposing orders - "forget the AA! The bunker line is gone, get to the burnoff towers!". These people just want team coordination and they want to talk strategy - they want the team working as a team.
You can mute them, ignore them... or follow orders and gain the advantage of working as part of a team. Telling them to "chill out" is the equivalent of saying "I'm not here to play as part of a team, I just wanna do my own thing".
Really, it's the same with people saying you don't have the right gear... they just want you working as part of the team. Ask what gear you should have - you might pick up some tips.
The thing is... when you play a team based game, people tend to be team oriented. If you're not team oriented, your best bet is to play a different game - like Call of Duty - a game where team tactics aren't nearly as important and everyone does their own thing.
People do play to have fun... but in a team based game, the game is a lot more fun when people play as a team. When you're lone wolfing it, you can expect to get a bit of flack - it's just not a big deal. I love it when I choose to snipe in a game and someone gets on mic and starts calling out all the damn snipers that aren't going for the objectives... yeah, I do tend to feel a little guilty, but mostly I just don't really care. Sometimes I actually do give up sniping though and start working with my team - so whining does work! LOL!
The situations you talk about aren't really about the winning, it sounds like it's more about the teamwork... but that being said, there are some dickheads that really are all about the winning. This usually happens when you get in with a clan that looks at your rank and promptly boots you from the game.... or starts teamkilling the snipers.
As others have noted, the griefers are the worst though - these are the lone wolfs that are just in the game to work against their team and be idiots on purpose. They want people to be pissed off at them and they get off on disrupting the team.
if you want to play just for fun... play the FNF (Friday Night Fights) with Dtoid. You'll still have the armchair generals... but they won't care if you do what they say or not (and chances are, neither did the other guy until you called him out on it).
Oh... and for the record, it's probably worst being a female armchair general. The response I got wasn't "just chill" it was "who's the tranny barking orders?". Apparently I sound like a gay male or "tranny" rather than a woman! LOL! In online games, people can say a lot worst things than calling out what their team should be doing... :)
I love playing team games but if someone isn't gonna play like a team they shouldn't play team games. I don't know how many times I have started up Halo: Reach just to watch some moron drive a Warthog solo into enemy fire and die. I can't stand stupid drivers. It's one thing to not know how to drive the vehicle and another to be idiotic with it. Driving up close to a big explosive firing tank is like stepping in front of an angry hippo; you WILL die pathetically.
I was a noob once and it sucked getting destroyed. Sometimes with a little bit of knowledge and some basic tactics relative to what you do/have one can turn games around in their favor. Something simple like firing 5 Assault rifle shots plus a melee for instant death in Halo 3 can make one a destroyer of men.
P.S. If you play Halo: Reach, the DMR is a vehicle killer especially in groups so shoot those Banshees!!!
I was a noob once and it sucked getting destroyed. Sometimes with a little bit of knowledge and some basic tactics relative to what you do/have one can turn games around in their favor. Something simple like firing 5 Assault rifle shots plus a melee for instant death in Halo 3 can make one a destroyer of men.
P.S. If you play Halo: Reach, the DMR is a vehicle killer especially in groups so shoot those Banshees!!!
I can very well support this sentiment having once been a noob in the few MMO's I play. Generally the reason you encounter such players however, from my experience, this is more prevalent in free games however. Yet I have the opposite problem generally I get insulted, called a hacker etc for topping the scoreboard. The one real issue I have is when 1 kill = 1 point on the scoreboard, some idiot keeps whining at me for not covering him when he runs out like an idiot and gets shot by a sniper. To clarify my score was 68-9 his was 10-12, the best way to play is to ignore it from both spectrums, although to be honest I do kick from rooms. But only If the rest of the team is for example around level 50 skill wise and you're playing wayyyy out of your league.
As for the game I was playing don't hate me too much but it was a generic mmofps called AVA feel free to hit me up for a game in it however likewise with SMNC.
As for the game I was playing don't hate me too much but it was a generic mmofps called AVA feel free to hit me up for a game in it however likewise with SMNC.
I can very well support this sentiment having once been a noob in the few MMO's I play. Generally the reason you encounter such players however, from my experience, this is more prevalent in free games however. Yet I have the opposite problem generally I get insulted, called a hacker etc for topping the scoreboard. The one real issue I have is when 1 kill = 1 point on the scoreboard, some idiot keeps whining at me for not covering him when he runs out like an idiot and gets shot by a sniper. To clarify my score was 68-9 his was 10-12, the best way to play is to ignore it from both spectrums, although to be honest I do kick from rooms. But only If the rest of the team is for example around level 50 skill wise and you're playing wayyyy out of your league.
As for the game I was playing don't hate me too much but it was a generic mmofps called AVA feel free to hit me up for a game in it however likewise with SMNC.
As for the game I was playing don't hate me too much but it was a generic mmofps called AVA feel free to hit me up for a game in it however likewise with SMNC.
I think there's a good balance to be found. Yes, it's just a game, but for some (a lot of?) people, part of what makes a game enjoyable is winning.
I kind of fall in the middle ground myself. While I never really care about losing, I do sometimes find myself getting into certain games (Battlefield 3, namely) to the point where I get disappointed if my team isn't doing well. Granted, I don't let it ruin my night or anything, but it CAN be frustrating at times to have a team full of snipers doing nothing but hiding in trees, watching your team lose...
I kind of fall in the middle ground myself. While I never really care about losing, I do sometimes find myself getting into certain games (Battlefield 3, namely) to the point where I get disappointed if my team isn't doing well. Granted, I don't let it ruin my night or anything, but it CAN be frustrating at times to have a team full of snipers doing nothing but hiding in trees, watching your team lose...
