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Blizzard vs Bot Programmers part deux; in defense of the bots photo

Long time readers may remember a post I made almost a decade ago (in e-years) regarding the legal battle between the creators of World of Warcraft (Blizzard/Vivendi) and the creator of a "bot" program called WoW Glider, one Mr. Michael Donnelly. Well, it looks like Blizzard has finally, officially filed their lawsuit against Mr. Donnelly, with the aim of stopping him from selling his program, as well as recouping money they claim they lost due to his actions.

According to the EULA that Blizzard makes everyone wade through and agree to before they can play World of Warcraft, programs such as WoW Glider are strictly verboten, and even in countries where they don't speak German, it's a bad idea to use them.

Sadly, Mr. Donnelly doesn't have much of a case going for him (aside from possibly claiming his goateed evil twin was behind the whole thing, which rarely works in US courts), and the only people standing up for him are websites such as Markee Dragon, a site that propogates the use of bot programs, and may be run by Communists.

Hit the jump for their opinion on the upcoming legal kumite.

(Pre-emptive editor's note: I think I'm getting into a rut by just making fun of people via the Internet. After this, I'm making only posts about kittens and breasts, and possibly combinations of the two. -- Nex)

Everything I'm about to show you guys was written by the head of Markee Dragon, a man (we can assume) who happens to live in the same city as I. Based on that, and the below arguments, I can safely assume he's a methamphetamine addict. 

Blizzard believes that Glider allows players to cheat. Having used Glider myself I would have to say that it is not really a cheat program. It does not allow you to dupe items or create things out of thin air. It does not do anything a real player can do with one exception. It does allow the character to be played 24x7. Humans can't do that. Groups of people could do this though. There are many farm companies that offer powerleveling services that will run your character 24x7. There is not much difference between the two of these. Both of them level up your character as fast as possible. They both can farm for you as well. 

Ok, he starts off promisingly enough. We can all agree that WoW Glider is similar to the power levelling companies. Did he forget the part where Blizzard was actively seeking to burn their homes down too? I guess he missed that memo.

They claim that Glider encourages WoW players to break their contract with Blizzard. I don't know if that's really an issue. It's customer choice. It just like my brand new car that I want to add a wing to the back. I can buy the wing many different places. I want to do it because I think it will look cool. It's certainly not illegal to add it to my car. But it may in fact void the warranty of the car in respect to the trunk where it is mounted. It's my choice to do this. I am willing to accept the risk of voiding my warranty. I should be able to do this if I want to. Should the auto maker sue the wing manufacturer? I guess they can. But I still want to install it and so I do. There is nothing that the auto maker can do about this.

I don't know if he realizes the difference between the words 'break' and 'violate'. Blizzard is claiming that Glider 'violates' the contract, in the same way that a 'date rapist' might 'violate' your little sister. He gets double points for his analogy about the 'wing' he could attach to his car, though. Not only does he reveal his utter lack of style, he further cements the mental image of the 'date rapist' in our minds. 

Lets change the example a little bit. Lets say that I do not own the car. I am leasing it. I install the wing. The leasing company gets all pissed off about this. They take the car away from me and they bill me for repairs to the trunk. I would say they have the right to do that. Now lets talk about playing WoW. If I want to play WoW and add Glider (My wing) to the game. Blizzard has every right to close my account. They in fact have closed my account before for running Glider. Do they have the right to bill me?

Yes. Yes they do. In much the same way that the leasing company would bill you for drilling holes in their car to install your silly wing bullshit. 

Now this one gets me. Blizzard claims that have a loss in revenue because of banning players. I say this is bull! They have made more because of this. Hell. I've had about 25 accounts banned.

So ... he's more credible because he's more experienced in breaking the rules than most people? Isn't that like saying you should take dating advice from the aforementioned date rapist because he's really excellent at putting his penis inside of unconscious women? 

Do bot piss off other players? Yes I think so. But I think that the number of people quitting because of bots would be very hard to prove. Blizzard should do an exit poll for when people close their accounts. Maybe they already do. I don't know. All of my accounts have always been closed for me. lol

For those of you wondering, yes, Blizzard does an exit survey, and according to a few of my contacts within their customer service HQ, botting is one of the more prevalent reasons that people leave WoW. Also, we should point out his excellent use of 'lol' in this scholarly argument. Not since Roe v Wade has "lol" been used so devastatingly, and it certainly harkens back to Clarence Darrow's landmark "Literal Interpretation? Roflskates!1!uno!" argument, made famous in the stage adaptation Inherit the Wind.

After having read through six paragraphs of this, my ears started to bleed so I had to go lie down. If Markee Dragon is the finest proponent for WoW Glider, I have the feeling that Mr. Donnelly is going to be farming scorpions in the Arizona desert come next February.








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CannibalCalvin 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:19
CannibalCalvin
This is what happens when developers let their users mod the code even the slightest.

meh
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:24
DeusPayne
I just read the whole post... and I really just don't know what to say. I read a much better (and more 'legally' based arguments) thread posted there a month or so ago. But after reading this one, my brain just hurts.

Also, it says that WoWGlider made $625k... at $25 a pop, that's 25,000 copies sold. Does that seem high or low, cause that's a decent chunk of change for a relatively small application for a game that's only been out for just over 2 years. I wish I was making $300k a year.
Lodin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:37
Lodin
Exactly how are Blizzard losing money on the usage of this program? There's no way they could run a case like this in any civilised country with an updated court system
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:38
Monte
"It just like my brand new car that I want to add a wing to the back. I can buy the wing many different places. I want to do it because I think it will look cool. It's certainly not illegal to add it to my car. But it may in fact void the warranty of the car in respect to the trunk where it is mounted. It's my choice to do this. "

You know what i think would be a more correct analogy... illegal drug dealing...
according to the law, the drugs in question are illegal... If you get caught with the drugs, the gov't will bust you for it, but ofcourse it's hard for them to take down all the poeple using the drugs, and thus they go after the drug dealers to stop them from selling illegal drugs in the first place.

replace the "the law" with User agreement, "the gov't" with Blizzard, "drug" with Bot, and "drug dealer" with Modder, and you got an acurate statement of what's going on in this case and that blizzard is fully within their rights
(although that analogy doesn't take into account that blizzard is loosing money)

y'know... and considering how damn useful Bots are... i'd say their probably just as addicting. Heh, think about it, that guy was shut down 25 times and he's still using bots XD
Teh Ted's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:54
Teh Ted
As much as I'm in favor of kittens and boobs, let's not go overboard here. The internet may have been created for porn, but it was perfected to mock idiots and posers.











Like me. :( If I add a wing to my car, does that mean people will think I'm cool?
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:59
Darren Nakamura
This guy is so bad at putting up an argument it almost sounds like he's arguing for Blizzard in this case.
nerpin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 02:59
nerpin
I really REALLY want to see this guy serve as an example. He and his customers can deny it all they want, but their botting still fucks up the game for other people in the same was as farmers do. Well...Farmers you can screw with so they're a bit fun at times.

I don't know why I care, as I don't play WoW anymore...
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 03:22
Aaron Mxy Yost
Using bots in an MMO is weaksauce. If you want to use a trainer or cheats in a single-player game, knock yourself out. But when it affects the game for other players, Blizzard has every right to lay the smack down. Bots/Buying Gold/Power Leveling services all suck.
Milofo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 03:32
Milofo
There are good mods and then there are bad mods. Good mods are the ones that don't effect gameplay balance or add features that should have been in the game in the first place. Such as options to type in different languages so You can communicate with players from other countries. Then there are the bad mods that are used to give you an advantage over other players. WoW Glider is an example of this since it ccan make you maxed lv rich as hell while you only play 1 hour per week. Not really fair to the people who do it the old fashioned way. That and having to pay for WoW Glider cements Blizzard's win.
Otsegowupiwupi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 03:52
Otsegowupiwupi
my only thoughts...

1. bots FTL

2. wow... the full response that Nex quoted must have been REALLY bad. Hell, Nex's ears BLED from reading this thing with his eyes. (and let it be known that ears are not commonly used for reading at any extent)
xrayne446's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 05:28
xrayne446
MONTE is a genius, "Donnely" is the dealer, and "Blizzard" is losing money because they are spending their precious resources to cath the dealer. damn i love analogies.
Aequitas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 05:31
Aequitas
Ears do bleed from cranial hemorrhaging.

Honestly, I see Blizzard having a hard time proving damages in this case, exit polls or no. I'm also not sure a judge would grant an injunction to halt the bot's sale. Users are agreeing to Blizzard's EULA, then turning around and willingly violating it with this. Blizzard is well within their rights to ban those users, but this guy and his program aren't in any way bound by that EULA.

This case could go either way, and it will depend largely on how good a lawyer this guy has.
HawtPawkitHero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 06:57
HawtPawkitHero
I hope Donally wins. Just to be a bitch to you guys. I hope he wins, and that botting takes over WoW. Why am I saying this? Because WoW is a horrible game.
Epitaph's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 08:13
Epitaph
@HawtPawkitHero: Meh, whatev man. Like it or not, a stupid program that fucks up other _legal_ players shouldn't be allowed.

What I'm not really sure is how much of a responsability has the mod author here. Sure, he made a lame modification that allows illegal behavior, but it's up to you if you use it.

Hmmm...
Your Mom's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 08:55
Your Mom
Wow...Markee Dragon (I LOVED her in "Night Court", btw) is on serious idiot. My favorite is his comparison of a vehicle warranty to a WoW EULA. Does this chucklehead keep signing up for 25 accounts because he loves to bot, or is he power-leveling for profit?
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 09:03
UglyDuck
I don't see what the big deal is... It creates an unfair playing field? I'm sorry, i fail to see that; the game has level 60 players throughout, and people are joining up each day, and they all have to go through some process of leveling up somehow, but because they are all independant, it makes no difference at what speed you level up.

That being said, I've never played the thing, so I can only talk theoretically.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 09:08
wardrox
WTF, I'm half way through reading the "post" by Mr Markee Dragon and I'm thinking...if this were an analogy, imagine if you will, your mum, then, a giant face jumps up, then banana. See, flawless argument.
FFS, a diagram with only 3 lines and a circle drawn in paint would be a better argument than the crap thats written there. noob.
BaconFat's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 09:14
BaconFat
If blizzard win, I will be quite annoyed (yet i will continue to sit back and watch)

The guy who made this bot, does not nessecerly have to play the game, therefore would never read the EULA and consciquently never AGREE to it!

So what has he done wrong?

BaconFat's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 09:16
BaconFat
Plus, I'd laugh if the judge who works this case plays WoW and uses the Bot.

Oh how I would laugh.
Cory_t_'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 09:39
Cory_t_
@ HawtPawkitHero

Yeah, yo;re right... I don't know what those 7 million players are thinking.

"...and then I'll go hug some snakes. Yes! I WILL HUG AND KISS SOME POISONOUS SNAKES! ... Now that's sarcasm!"
Karmakin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 10:26
Karmakin
It's standard MMORPG theory.

Bots add gold to the economy, which leads to inflation. The inflation makes it harder for the average person to play.

The thing is, I've played enough MMORPGs to know that this theory pans out pretty well. When illicit gold is taken out of the economy, prices tend to drop back down.
HawtPawkitHero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 10:42
HawtPawkitHero
Lol @epitath:
He's A: Not breaking Laws and B:Not "fucking up" the game for other players.

____________

My favorite excuse for players that bitch at botters is "They are always stealing my kills from underneath me!"
Ashdate's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 10:50
Ashdate
One of the biggest 'hidden' points to suing this guy is to show bot makers that hey, Blizzard isn't taking a light stance here.

Inflation is bad enough, but one of the biggest problems bots create is a weakening in public opinion. The more bots people see running around, the more angry the average player, and when you've got millions of players, pissing off these players could cost you a lot more then the 25 accounts they're willing to shut down to stop a bot user.

- Eddie
Wil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 13:04
Wil
WoW Glider > WoW

It feels great to wake up to an inventory filled with some purples, a bunch of rugged leather, and arcanite bars.
worldofwarcraftcheats's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2007 14:06
worldofwarcraftcheats
I'm a dumb fuck who thought I could spam the name of the WoW exploits site I work for on Nex's post and that he wouldn't notice! Oops, guess I was wrong...
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