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Blizzard is bringing real-money auctions to Diablo III photo

Probably the biggest and most unexpected news that came out of Blizzard's Diablo III press event last week was the announcement that players will be able to buy and sell items in-game for real currency. In addition to having a standard, gold-based Auction House like World of Warcraft has, Diablo III will also feature a safe, Blizzard-sanctioned way for players to exchange items for cash.

For many players, auction houses are a game unto themselves, and I certainly spent my own fair share of time exclusively playing the auction house in Warcraft. If Blizzard can convince enough players to put up their own cash to participate, I think this has the potential to be extremely successful for both Blizzard and the players who choose to use it.

According to Executive Vice President of Game Design Rob Pardo, Blizzard is well aware that players will trade items and gold for real cash in virtually all of their games. From the shady loot-for-cash websites that plagued Diablo in the mid-90s to the Chinese gold farmers we see in WoW today, making money off videogames has been a simple reality for years.

Given that it's going to happen anyway, Pardo and the Blizzard team figured they might as well create an official place for players to sell their items and gold without fear of being ripped off. To do that, they're giving you this auction house.

For the most part, it operates similarly to the World of Warcraft auction house: the major difference being that real money is involved. Items can be listed directly from your stash, which is now shared between every character on your account. (In Diablo II, every character's stash was only accessible by that character, and transferring items between your own characters was a massive pain in the ass.) Sellers can set a minimum starting bid and sell the item like a true auction, set a buyout price and skip the auction , or both. One other, smaller difference is that buyers and sellers will be completely anonymous; this makes sense to me, given the presence of real money.

Once you successfully sell an item, you have a choice to make. The money you made from that sale can go to one of two places: it can be deposited into your Blizzard account, or it can be cashed out through a third-party service.

If you deposit it into your Blizzard account, only basic listing and sales fees apply. You get the full value of your item, and that money can be used for anything Blizzard-related: other auctions, your WoW subscription fee, and even merchandise from the Blizzard store.

Money deposited into a Blizzard account, however, cannot be later cashed out into real money -- this would invoke a whole host of legal issues, with Blizzard essentially acting as a bank. If you choose to cash out through the third-party service, that company will take a small percentage of your cashout, but your money will be available to you as real cash, either added to your credit card or deposited into a PayPal or bank account.

To reduce the risk of people cornering the market or artificially driving up prices (like we see on WoW servers), there will only be one auction house for each currency -- if your country is in the eurozone, your auction house is shared with all other euro-using countries. The typical WoW server only has around 5,000 players, making it easy for players there to fix prices and damage the economy. It will be much harder for that to occur in Diablo, simply because of the sheer volume of users.

It's important to note what this auction house won't be. It's not a store -- Blizzard is selling nothing directly. Everything on the auction house will be weapons, armor, and items that other players have actually found in-game and have put up for trade. Pardo said that, barring some serious unanticipated problem that would require them to get involved, Blizzard plans to be completely hands-off once the auction house is running. The economy will be entirely determined by the players, and Blizzard has no intention of stepping in to regulate it. Additionally, Blizzard has stated that "99.9%" of the items in the game won't be soulbound -- in essence, if it's not part of a quest or a plot device, you can toss it up for sale.

Blizzard has also stated that Hardcore characters will not be able to use items purchased through the real-money auction house, as they think that would take away from a significant portion of the Hardcore experience. Softcore characters will have access to these items in PvP.

Blizzard has to make money off this somehow, though. When you want to list an item, you pay a 'nominal' (actual numbers were not given to us, as they're still being decided on) listing fee, and when your item is sold you pay a small sales fee. As of now, the listing and sales fees are both a flat rate -- they won't scale if you sell a really valuable item.

The listing fee was decided to prevent people from dumping their entire inventory into the auction system -- people should decide what's crap and what isn't, and only list items people are actually going to be interested in. Blizzard also wants to prevent people from setting wildly unrealistic buyout/bid prices, and having to put up a small amount of real cash to list an item will hopefully keep the economy reasonable. That said, to encourage people to participate and try out the auction house, accounts will likely be given a certain amount of free listings every week.

Overall, Blizzard says that this (real) cash auction house is simply them giving players what they want. It also makes a lot of sense financially, particularly for regions like Asia where players don't purchase the game itself, but tend to play in PC cafes and LAN centers. If it doesn't seem like your thing, the standard gold-based auction house will still be available for players who are unwilling or unable to put up real cash, and I suspect a fair amount of players will be using it. I'm personally hoping the cash-based auction house takes off though -- I'd love to be able to make back the money I spent buying the game just by playing it.

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Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:11
Rammstein
Terrible fucking idea that just solidified my decision to NOT purchase Diablo 3.
Drel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:12
Drel
This idea has the stink of Kotick all over it.
joeman098's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:14
joeman098
Seriously what makes this a bad idea. personally i love the idea of being able to play the game and make money off people to lazy to play the game. more money for me =)
Lazyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:15
Lazyman
Now bend over and open your wallets folks. I knew this was going to happen. People do this for wow and other games blizzard saw way to make money legally off it.
stay's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:18
stay
This is actually making me more amped for D3.. I thought I was going to be okay with my Torchlight 2.. I thought wrong.
dantemustdie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:23
dantemustdie
@Lazyman
"Now bend over and open your wallets folks. I knew this was going to happen. People do this for wow and other games blizzard saw way to make money legally off it."

Uh, what?
This is an entirely optional part of Diablo 3 and people don't have to use it if they don't want to, I'm not sure why you feel people are going to have their wallets raped.

It's like a mini version of eBay, and personally I think it's brilliant.
Transactions for real money have been happening for years on shady third-party sites, and Blizzard finally said "fuck it, if people are going to pay money at least they can do it someplace regulated and secure."
They're going to make a little money from it, yeah, but so are the users. This is a win-win for everyone involved.
Drel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:26
Drel
Oh why the hell am I bitching about this? It's not gonna effect my purchase of D3 who am I kidding. I'll prolly sell items for money too.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:26
Spaz
Seeing as how trading for gold is still there and if trading items with others players are still in the game I don't really see a problem with it. I seen this type of crap when I played Diablo 2, so it going through Blizzard is probably better for the people who actually do this nonsense.

If people participate in this let them, I'm pretty sure enough people will still be trading items for gold and other items. Now if they took out item trading then we should get mad.
Drel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:29
Drel
People are just gonna buy the really good items so it prolly wouldn't be worth it putting up like low level stuff that isn't really stat intensive for real moneys.
D-roy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:31
D-roy
As if I would ever touch Diablo 3 even.
There are already plenty of dungeon crawlers that has beaten D1, D2 and by the looks of it: D3.

And there are plenty of better-looking dungeon crawlers on the way.
Tiredman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:32
Tiredman
I would say its bad, except they said once diablo 3 goes live, they are doing the hands off approach to the real cash auction house. Nothing sold there will be from blizzard, only from drops players obtained. As long as that is the truth, I really have no issue with this. Though it really depends entirely on the flat rate they are charging to post items, how long hte items post for, meaning do you lose cash if your item doesnt sell, and so on. If it stays up indefinitely, thats fine, which it should with people paying real cash to post it. If it doesn't, or doesn't have a really long post time, then I foresee an issue.
Danzflor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:32
Danzflor
And people complained about Team Fortress 2 microtransacation and Hat hoarding.
Manthai's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:42
Manthai
I have never been more excited for a video game than right now. Diablo 2 was my favourite game of all time. The auction house was my favourite part of WoW and that was without the money being real. THIS IS AMAZING.

@D-roy

Seriously? Name one.
Harris Hatsworth's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 02:49
Harris Hatsworth
Makes 100% sense. Complete a single act in Diablo II in a non-password protected game without getting a spam bot advertising spending real money on items and I will buy you a copy of Diablo III. Unless the Western world bans third-party selling of digital items there is lots of money to be made companies dealing solely in digital goods and it stands to reason that the people actually making the games would wise up to this.

If getting items is as lucrative as this seems then I might buy Diablo III just to make money. The economy of begging for free items will probably be kicked in the teeth by everything having real value though. Slower start-up for the loss.
qliqQLAQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:20
qliqQLAQ
This is just Blizzards answer to all people, which selled D2 items on ebay or somewhere else.

IMO, a good idea
Arlo infidel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:30
Arlo infidel
What...I don't need to make

BRG SIGONS HERE

I can just search for it and pay $5.00 for sigons. Hmm, Don't know if I like this too much.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:41
killias2
As I was reading this, I thought to myself, "This makes a lot of sense, but people are going to loudly bitch and moan and blame Activison."

When I scrolled down and saw the comments.. I saw I was correct.

Of course.. they could always do what they did with WoW... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=world+of+warcraft+gold
Lugtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:42
Lugtor
if they dont make an offical way to buy items for real money, players will make an unoffical as it is with Diablo2. This move will make it more secure and bring blizzard in a share of the money.
None the less i dislike that it has come to this with games and i dont know if I should be happy that there are people dumb enough to throw their money away like this to support the industry I love or pity them for beeing that stupid.

Also i wont buy D3
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:49
killias2
"None the less i dislike that it has come to this with games and i dont know if I should be happy that there are people dumb enough to throw their money away like this to support the industry I love or pity them for beeing that stupid. "

Technically, they wouldn't be supporting the industry. Blizzard would be seeing, at best, a slim little cut. They'd actually be supporting another gamer's habit (or, more likely, a gold farm in China).

"Also i wont buy D3"
Because of this or for some other reason? It wasn't clear.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 03:49
Jon B
Interesting concept, it's just a shame I have no interest in Diablo 3 whatsoever.
I think people in these comments may be overreacting just a little tad though.
twdaw's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 04:13
twdaw
Can't wait to change add "Diablo III" to my jobs on facebook.
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 04:18
Enzi
What the fuck is this stupid shit? That idea is even worse than DLC. Oh, fuck. The day has finally come. Armageddon is near.
Namodacranks's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 04:28
Namodacranks
They're not forcing you to buy stuff. Calm your tits.
Football Religion's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 04:32
Football Religion
Namodacranks, do you really believe it's that simple? This (like CoD) has the potential to ruin a lot of shit by showing companies that people are stupid and willing to pay for this. Sure, we don't have to buy it... but if lots of people do the market might move in an undesirable way.

Not that I'm for or against it, I only play with friends and this doesn't seem to effect me.
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 04:56
Tristrix
I'm not a big fan of this on a personal level and probably won't participate (other than maybe listing my own stuff if they do give a certain number of free listings) but I don't mind it being there. Like any other number of gameplay features I don't give a shit about in other games, I can easily ignore this and still enjoy the game.
Buga's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:04
Buga
Time to quit my jerbbb!

Get money selling D3 items like a baus.
Ultramonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:06
Ultramonkey
So there will be a posting fee(if it sells or not), a transaction fee (if it does sell) and a Activision fee (just because...).
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:15
Gorescream
FUCK YOU KOTICK, FUCK YOU.
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:17
Gorescream
AND YOU BLIZZARD FUCK YOU
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:21
Gorescream
ahchhh, feel much better now

Well actually no I don't :(
Ultramonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:26
Ultramonkey
1. Stack Magic Find
2. Diablo on Hell Difficulty
3. ????
4. Profit!*

*Subject to Activision's greed.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:40
Chongomaster
What is everyone's problem? It's optional and a gold based auction will exist. If people want to spend their money on digital crap then why not?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:42
Chris Carter
I really don't like this idea (it does NOT seem very Blizzard), but I will still buy and love Diablo III.

While people say it is optional - that is true, and will not effect my first few playthroughs through the game. It also will not effect casual players who have zero desire to get into the full meta of the game.

However, the long term effects could be really shitty. As Ultramonkey said, there will be people who run around and farm uniques all day/every day, allowing people who simply have deep pockets to buy amazing PVP items, and rock face at PVP when they don't deserve it. It could also cut playthroughs for your friends, if they give in to the scheme and just buy a full set of say, Frostburns (a super rare sorceress set in D2) - something you worked for months to get.
Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:48
Blue Odeyssey
What a good idea, legalise dodgy activities while taking a small cut, makes loot gathering that little bit more exciting (kotick take note this is how it should be done), now I just wish I had a PC that could run the damn thing. :(
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:50
Gorescream
Why doesn't anyone get the long term effects?
Eventually, if this bullshittory gets successful, other companies will come have a glance and implement this idea as well, completely unnecessary!

The hell are you doing Morhaime???



Optionality does not always means you cannot bitch about it.

Repeat it!
Henriquegds's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:51
Henriquegds
i think is a good idea, first is optional, and second if the guys has the luck to find good items and the wits to sell for a good price he's gonna win money. Of course Blizzard's gonna have their share of the pie but for people who are smart gonna be a good idea for them
Ultramonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:52
Ultramonkey
@Blue Odeyssey: You do realise Blizzard have merged with Activision, right? This whole idea stinks of Kotick and his grubby band of Leeches sucking at gamer's wallets.
SmileyBarry's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 05:55
SmileyBarry
Am I the only one who sees the exploit of using save editors, like in D2, to make such items and then selling them? It's not like D3 uses some online server for single-player games. It doesn't store and give items server-side like on WoW or TF2, making this highly exploitable.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:17
Chongomaster
I can understand where people are coming from about long term effects but I think all these additional charges and the fact it costs actual money will discourage most people except for the ones who would buy items from shady 3rd party sites. All it means is that Blizzard gets a cut of the money.
Ultramonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:24
Ultramonkey
Also, what's stopping hackers jumping onto people's accounts and stealing their money from the Blizzard account?
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:28
Enzi
So we could have a scenario where the ingame currency auction house just has worthless bullshit items and the dollar based auction house has the good stuff?

Honestly, you find a good item. Why the fuck would you want gold instead of real money? Depends on the fee but you know what I mean.
Ragnar Dragonfyre's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:50
Ragnar Dragonfyre
While I understand WHY Blizzard would do something like this, I still don't agree with it. Ultimately, consumers will determine the value of an item, even digital ones... but I can honestly foresee it being nigh on impossible to buy the best of the best items with in game gold with such a system in place.

Say I picked up one of the best items in the game? Would I sell it for ingame currency? Fuck no. If real money is an easy option, I'll sell that pile of pixels for a couple bucks, no hesitation. I could then use that money to supplement purchasing better items for myself or outright just pocket it. Hopefully, I never have to spend anything other than my Diablo 3 profits to buy more items... hopefully.

HoJ was the currency of Diablo II. The American Dollar will be the currency of Diablo III. *sigh* I can already see Bobby Kotick rubbing his greasy hands together in anticipation... biding his time for the day when videogames only use real world currency to buy items/features.
Aurvant's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:52
Aurvant
You forgot to mention the parts where the game is online only (no offline mode at all) and the part where Blizzard has said that there will be no mod tools and that mods are "strictly forbidden".
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:52
TheToiletDuck
People have been selling Diablo items for real money for years, so this isn't really anything new. I think there are such a minority of players that actually buy stuff with large amounts of real money that it really won't affect the average player.
At least this way people are better protected from sellers on the blackmarket.
Matthew Williams's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:52
Matthew Williams
Abysmal idea.

Look I can see people getting excited for it, but I can see certain items (eg. the ZOD rune) go in excess for an absurd amount of real cash. I for one think this is one of the worst ideas for a game I've ever seen.

IF there was the option to use ingame gold, it would have been a day one purchase. Now, I'm with quite a few others that are going to boycott it.
MjolnirX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:54
MjolnirX
Makes me want to rethink buying it. People will be playing just to farm and make some cash...
Voxeril's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 06:59
Voxeril
Griswolds Heart?

PROFESSOR GRISWOOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDD
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 07:28
Gorescream
@Aurvant

+1

Max-

It's so depressing :(.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2011 07:49
Epic-Kx
Torchlight 2.
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