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@Michale -
It should actually read:
"Please do not let this guy write another fucking article here, ever. Jesus Christ."
Do us a solid and take your own advice.
It should actually read:
"Please do not let this guy write another fucking article here, ever. Jesus Christ."
Do us a solid and take your own advice.
It's early, and I already fixed it before you said anything.
"jesus christ."
Even Jesus Christ made a few mistakes every now and then! <3
"jesus christ."
Even Jesus Christ made a few mistakes every now and then! <3
I'm starting to think going F2P will be the way to go after Mists, there are times where I just want to play for a few days or a week without paying for a whole month. The problem with the current model is that you feel obligated to play because otherwise you are wasting your money, and that's exactly the reason why I've stopped because I don't want to play this eight year old game that badly. I reckon that the WoW user base will expand greatly if they went F2P and just have make money off expansions, cosmetic items from the blizzard store, and WoW Remote. They could probably make this change before the planned Warcraft movie comes out (if it ever does.)
@Chris
I saw Jonathan Ross tweet out the server you guys will be playing. Looking forward to joining in!
I saw Jonathan Ross tweet out the server you guys will be playing. Looking forward to joining in!
@Chris
I don't think you guys usually review MMOs, but will you be making an exception for this one?
I don't think you guys usually review MMOs, but will you be making an exception for this one?
@Willias
We don't review MMOs at Destructoid, but we'll be providing Impressions, similar to Patrick's piece on TERA Online.
We don't review MMOs at Destructoid, but we'll be providing Impressions, similar to Patrick's piece on TERA Online.
WoW couldn't go F2P even if they wanted to, unfortunately. The game's community, as well as gamers as a whole, take an MMO switching to a free to play model as a failure. It's as if the developers are throwing up their hands and saying "This game isn't making money anymore so here, take it." That's clearly not the case in reality but that's how we take it. Just look at all the gleeful tittering when The Old Republic announced their F2P model recently.
WoW being the big boy on the block is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a fun game, but it maintains its dominance partly on the promise that there'll be a fuckton of people to play with. Anything they do to hurt that perception will be devastating.
WoW being the big boy on the block is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's a fun game, but it maintains its dominance partly on the promise that there'll be a fuckton of people to play with. Anything they do to hurt that perception will be devastating.
There's room in this world for both GW2 and WoW.
I wasn't going to buy GW2 because I'm not that big into PVP, and it seems like the game focuses a lot on PVP. But no monthly fee is pretty tempting.
Having said that, I still enjoy WoW. It is a good game, despite all the hipster bashing it takes.
I wasn't going to buy GW2 because I'm not that big into PVP, and it seems like the game focuses a lot on PVP. But no monthly fee is pretty tempting.
Having said that, I still enjoy WoW. It is a good game, despite all the hipster bashing it takes.
The only way I'd pay to pay this game again is if they reinstituted a classic server. Nothing pushes me away further than Blizzard's own changes with each expansion.
@Soulcage
There absolutely is room for both games! I just felt this was an apt time to mention it due to its lack of a subscription.
Also, GW2's PvE side is very strong. If you're at all remotely curious about the game, I recommend looking into it.
There absolutely is room for both games! I just felt this was an apt time to mention it due to its lack of a subscription.
Also, GW2's PvE side is very strong. If you're at all remotely curious about the game, I recommend looking into it.
world of warcraft is dead to me. it started going downhill with Wrath, and now i dont care anymore about it. i had some great memories of that game and wish it would go back to the way it was, but that will sadly never happen. I'll be happily playing Guild Wars 2.
@tristix: I highly doubt anyone would consider wow going f2p would mean that wow was a failure. The game's been out since 2005 with a sub model. The reason why people laughed/said other things about TOR is because it was never suppose to go f2p (at least this early).
Sounds like they don't really "get" the concept anyway. Free-to-play isn't about giving someone a "taste" of your game so that they eventually sign up for premium; that's called a demo. Anyway, the game is still so popular they're doing subscription AND pay-as-you-go at the same time. They've made more money of those pets and mounts than some games have in their whole budget.
It'll happen eventually, I'm sure of it. There's just no reason to do it now when they have such a large subscriber base. Swtor was one tenth the size. People seem to forget that.
Fine, don't go Free-To-Play.
Do you still have to charge for expansions, though?
I mean, $14 a month should entitle you to every update, don't you think?
Heck, just having to buy Vanilla WOW on top of a subscription in order to play seems, like, dirty.
Do you still have to charge for expansions, though?
I mean, $14 a month should entitle you to every update, don't you think?
Heck, just having to buy Vanilla WOW on top of a subscription in order to play seems, like, dirty.
The free to play until level 20 is why I haven't resubscribed. Whenever I get an urge to play again, I start up a new character, enjoy the world for a little while (which is the main reason I played for five years), then shuffle off. I don't think I've ever enjoyed WoW in the ways Blizzard intends.
@MichaelMaverick - Get off his back. Mr. Carter has a refreshing approach to the industry that's incredibly hard to find these days. Honest, sincere and generally optimistic. So back off bitch!
Going F2P would be fucking disastrous... Have you seen the F2P users in that game? They make it a mess... And that's only to level 20... Now all pay to play users strive to reach level 20so they cant deal with the shit anymore...
@conrado
Damn near everything they do is set to take advantage of the people that play their game in the worst ways. Mostly why I had to get out.
Damn near everything they do is set to take advantage of the people that play their game in the worst ways. Mostly why I had to get out.
Ha, I seem to remember an a statement when this free to play to level 20 first cam out that this would be their first step towards being entirely free to play. Looks like making around (and above) 50 million a month for 8 years isn't enough yet. . .
We get it Tek, you really don't like Blizzard, I hope your family wasn't to hurt from when Bliz took them hostage and forced you to play their games at gunpoint.
And taking advantage? Right cause Blizzard FORCES them to buy the expansions.
And why should they, they still have 9m subs and about 60% of the servers are at full, I'm sure they might do it once the game actually starts to die down but for now its a bad move from a business standpoint.
And taking advantage? Right cause Blizzard FORCES them to buy the expansions.
And why should they, they still have 9m subs and about 60% of the servers are at full, I'm sure they might do it once the game actually starts to die down but for now its a bad move from a business standpoint.
@Kyousuke Nanbu
"Right cause Blizzard FORCES them to buy the expansions."
In a certain way, they do, by removing events, and sometimes places, and putting them in expansion-exclusive areas, while gimping the standard areas.
Pretty much anyone who bought Burning Crusade can't say they have it anymore. Everything it had except the Dranei and Blood Elf starting areas has been superseded by Wrath and Cataclysm.
"Right cause Blizzard FORCES them to buy the expansions."
In a certain way, they do, by removing events, and sometimes places, and putting them in expansion-exclusive areas, while gimping the standard areas.
Pretty much anyone who bought Burning Crusade can't say they have it anymore. Everything it had except the Dranei and Blood Elf starting areas has been superseded by Wrath and Cataclysm.
Once they release their new project and their subscriber base drops, they will go free to play. After playing WoW for many years, I think that reaching level 20 does not give you a feel for the game because once you hit the level cap,85, it is like you are playing a completely different game.
"It's been said that the only thing that will "kill" WoW is time. There's some truth to that."
Eh, well, from what I understand questionable design choices might have something to do with it too.. My roommate just shot me an email saying they just read that you won't roll on loot anymore, that if something is "up" for you there will be (from what I guessed) an internal roll and it'll just go into your bag.. Pretty much completely doing away with choices all together.
But thats if my Roommate was reading it right, theres always a chance they didn't.
Eh, well, from what I understand questionable design choices might have something to do with it too.. My roommate just shot me an email saying they just read that you won't roll on loot anymore, that if something is "up" for you there will be (from what I guessed) an internal roll and it'll just go into your bag.. Pretty much completely doing away with choices all together.
But thats if my Roommate was reading it right, theres always a chance they didn't.
@AustinSJ All they have at this point is the ever-tapering cult followings that big MMO's are usually left with. Give it another 5 years and we'll probably be seeing about as many people playing WoW as there are people playing Everquest.
@George Booth
WoW's _current_ subscriber base is twenty fold that of EQ's peak. WoW launched in EverQuest's 5th year and immediately surpassed it. This is WoW's 8th year and nothing has even come close. The MMO market was clearly immature and no patterns can be drawn from games that came before WoW and were an order of magnitude less significant.
WoW's _current_ subscriber base is twenty fold that of EQ's peak. WoW launched in EverQuest's 5th year and immediately surpassed it. This is WoW's 8th year and nothing has even come close. The MMO market was clearly immature and no patterns can be drawn from games that came before WoW and were an order of magnitude less significant.
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