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Bleszinski wants casual gamers in GoW 2, Wii disappearing ray yet to be invented photo

As a hardcore gamer, I would like to think Cliff Bleszinski and I have a special relationship. His vision for games, primarily the Gears of War series, shares much in common with what I desire from a game – chainsaws, blood, and cursing. Yet, in a recent Reuters report, Bleszinski was caught cheating on me in favor of casual gamers.

From the article:

We want casual gamers to play the game and be sucked into the universe and finish the game. We want them to potentially finish with a friend and become a fan of the characters and the setting.

Oh really, Mr. Bleszinski? Is this what we have come to? You get really big and successful and you just throw it away to get a few Wii stragglers who bought an Xbox 360 without a hard drive? It doesn’t matter that your quote doesn’t indicate you attempting to court the casual gamer or even approaching Gears 2 as a casual game. It hurts to hear you mention those “other people.”

Despite my rage, I think I can go ahead and say good luck. Casual gamers buy handheld devices and let dust collect on the casing. They also like WiiSports, which is clearly beyond my comprehension to explain or dismiss.

[via GamePro]








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mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:26
mix
I'm with the good luck part as well.

Casual gamers have the attention span of a three month old dog mixed with a squirrel.

I do not see this happeneing.
dmgi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:45
dmgi
I think a lot of games are made with a hardcore frame of mind yet it sucks in a lot of casual players. There's no real line between a Casual game and a Hardcore game. I could spend hundreds of hours playing Peggle to the point where I can play with my eyes closed. It's just the appeal of the games that seem to be more clear-cut. As for Gears, all my friends are probably getting it and they're somewhat casual gamers. The original Gears had lots of casual appeal as well.
mrsatan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:46
mrsatan
Lol, Gears is a pretty Hardcore Xbox game.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:48
Daxelman
Mix: Woah, hold on there, I've met some pretty smart causal gamers, mainly myself.

As you can see, I can type.
Crackpot360's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:52
Crackpot360
I lol'd at the photo.

Wonder if Cliffy was sad when they told him the Lancer was just a prop.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 17:54
mix
@Daxelman

Lol, I was just generalizing like everyone does nowadays because it's so hip! Gamers stole my son, gamers kill people...generalizing is the way of the future!!

I was moslty pointing fingers as the Wii, I've had people come over and not know a damn about anything I'm playing on my PS3/PS2/Xbox/Dream Cast but they shit bricks when they see my Wii....THOSE are the people I'm talking about.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 18:06
CALkulon
Is there anything he hasn't said over the last couple of years?

Seriously, shut the fuck up Cliffy. We're bored now.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 18:11
Daxelman
@Mix: Not knowing about what you're playing makes people idiot's now? That's some twisted philosophy right there.

I still shit bricks when I see a Wii, because I want one. I've played games on the damn thing, I've seen games I've want, and damnit the thing is fucking cute.

Doesn't mean I'm stupid, I just want what'll make me happy. Wanting what will make people happy doesn't make them stupid. Hell, I don't get the whole reason behind MGS4 and it's glory, it's more horrible than an R.L. Stine book, but I don't think the people who have sex with Old Snake Cardboard Cutouts are idiots.

Different lanes my friend, one's man's hate is another man's love.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 18:22
CALkulon
@ Daxelman:

The hell are you talking about? Mix said they had a shitty attention span, not that they were idiots. You know as well as we all do that it's true, how many people who "shit bricks" for the Wii spend any time on games outwith Wii Sports, Carnival Games, Mario Kart, et al? A minority.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 18:32
Daxelman
Shitty Attention Span transforms into Idiot. Easily.

And there are people who still play Wii Sports and Mario Kart.

Carnival Games, you got me there, I didn't even know it was a best seller until Nintendo told me.
Coldbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 18:42
Coldbrand
Who gives a shit. Cliffy B, as he doesn't like to be called, fucking ruined Unreal Tournament and replaced it with this fucking braindead trash. I don't care what happens to it, and hope it dies off quick, because it's nothing more than Halo 2.0.

Bring back the real Unreal Tournament. Fuck Gears of War.
Churchhills Dog's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 19:05
Churchhills Dog
he didn't ruin Unreal Tourney but he DID ruin unreal 2. By the end of the project the Legend guys had had about enough of his jackbooted little nazi routine plus he didn't back them up when they were trying to make Atari understand how important XMP was to the game as a whole. Cliffy was more interested in establishing himself as a producer (U2 was his first solo producer project). Then his recent statements and the subsequent backpedaling (re; PC GoW2..."its out of my hands man") just makes cliffy another tool in my book.

hey, I'm sure plenty of others give a shit what he says though....
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 19:08
CALkulon
Squawk,

The first rule of Destructoid is don't suck.
The second rule of Destructoid is DON'T SUCK.
The third r...you know what, just go already.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 19:10
Dan CiTi
Gears of War 1 was played by "casual" gamers. Gears of War is pretty easy to pick up and play.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 19:30
John B
@Squawk:

Brad's just making up for the anti-Wii vacuum that remained when Summa (thankfully) left.

@Churchhills:

Wait ... WHAT?! That's the guy that killed Unreal 2! God damn it! That is the ONLY game where that lone ending to it actually made me shed a tear! (For those who don't care about good character development, you wouldn't understand.) All that I was hanging onto was the hint that my crew might have still been alive, which I hoped would have been resolved in the sequel that never fscking happened because Legend got disbanded.

I now hate this man as much as I hate EA for what they did to Origin and Bullfrog.

As to the main thrust of the article, Brad's making it sound as though the dumbing down will be detrimental. Why? Just give it a "casual" difficulty level that takes out elements that real (cough) gamers wouldn't live without. Yes, I hate the term "casual gamer" as much as anyone else, but I don't see why for games like this adding a way to dumb it down voluntarily would be so difficult.
kevkevblazini's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 20:22
kevkevblazini
I need me one of those DUDE HUGE approved Fake Lancers.
Also, DUDE HUGE.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 21:11
Cowzilla3
I'm a little with squawk on the Nintnedo hate, kind of getting old, but that coudl just be me.
mice elf's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 07:32
mice elf
this article was a waste of time to click on and read.
Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 08:01
Face
No game/system gets high sales without tapping into the casual market to some degree. It was like this long before the wii or any of this "casual gamer" nonsense.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 08:34
Holyetheline
I think Gears 2 might be too hardcore though.
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 10:17
Ujn Hunter
oh yea... casual gamers love to shoot monsters with chainsaw guns and guys with no necks... i can see it now... grandmas of the world finally getting in on the action!
parrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 10:19
parrothead
I wish him good luck as well
DGX Goggles's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 12:02
DGX Goggles
God, don't let the wiikids in...
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 12:35
ajay42
"They also like WiiSports, which is clearly beyond my comprehension to explain or dismiss."

WiiSports is insanely fun, easy to play and lends itself well to the 'friendly competition amongst friends' zone. Its not really that hard to understand its popularity.
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