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BlazBlue exists because Guilty Gear fans are 'too old' photo

When BlazBlue was first announced, Guilty Gear fans rejoiced. They rightfully guessed that the new series was the new iteration of Guilty Gear, but with all new characters and a tweaked engine. Still, some of Guilty Gear's hardcore fans have been holding out for another entry in the series. It doesn't look like that's ever going to happen, and the reason why might surprise you.

According to Toshimichi Hori of Arc Systems Works, "The generation of Guilty Gear players has become a certain age – maybe a little bit too old for playing games. So making that reset brings in a new generation of fighting game players. Then they will be with us for the next few years".

Good thing that Nintendo doesn't think that way. If they did, we probably wouldn't have gotten Super Mario Galaxy 2. That said, I admire Arc Systems Works for officially retiring a group of characters, and starting fresh with a new variation on an old theme. Capcom tried that once with Street Fighter III, and was punished for it by fans who weren't willing to move forward. It's probably not a coincidence that Hori-san sites Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike as his favorite fighting game ever.

This is a developer who understands the power of moving on.

The Arc of Fighting [Eurogamer]








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Timothy Kelly's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:05
Timothy Kelly
This makes me - a 22 year old fan of Guilty Gear make sad face. I guess I should go get a job doing something businessy since I'm too old. I don't really understand their point of view. I don't mind new characters and moving on but the idea of "Being too old for playing games" frustrates me just hearing it.

It's like saying your too old to play with your kid.
Tyson The Tool's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:12
Tyson The Tool
Check out Holmes posting news at 3am on St. Patty's night. Can't say the guy isn't dedicated to his job, whatta goddamn rock star
falsenipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:16
falsenipple
How does any dev get away with calling fans of a genre or game series too old? A great game probably helps, but is it really necessary to tell gamers your motivation when making a game or to just put it out there? I don't know. Implying that your audience is out of touch or old doesn't seem that endearing to me. Even if I felt it, I wouldn't want to be quoted as saying as much.
Cossner's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:24
Cossner
Videogames are for babies.
JohnnyViral's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:29
JohnnyViral
I understand the point they are making, but lets be honest here. The LAST official Guilty Gear game, was atrocious, it wasn't even what we had come to know and love as Guilty Gear. Im very happy with Blaz Blue, and aside from my lack of owning the game, I try to play it every chance I get. But Im not sure about Guilty Gear fans being too old. Im only 22, sure Im only one fan, but If you were to take a sampling of GG fans Id say a big percentage of them would be in their 20s still maybe early 30s, which to me is not old enough to be considered too old to play games.

I agree with you Holmes that developers need to know when to move on. However I think Arc System Works alienated a lot of the Guilty Gear fan base with Overture, which is probably the biggest reason we crave one more game, a final goodbye of sorts to a franchise we hold so dear. It will never happen, but hey a guy can dream right?

Now if I could only get better with Hazama...
Sage Ashford's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:40
Sage Ashford
That last line stings...but only because BlazBlue was such a hit. If it was a complete failure, you couldn't even make this article 'cause we'd be looking at a new GG game.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:44
Phoenix Gamma
The different between SF3 and BlazBlue is that BlazBlue is a whole new game/series. SF3 was the same series but dropped almost everyone people loved.

Basically, it was a Red game that called itself Blue.
Hipster Dante's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:59
Hipster Dante
I have a friend who loves Guilty Gear, hates Blazblue. Doesn't even consider the latter a proper fighting game and thinks that people like it mainly for the fanservice. I haven't played blazblue myself, but I'd probably give it a chance. But why take away guilty gear.

Now third strike is pretty cool. I'd accept that kind of moving on. Unfortunately, too many people missed guile or some shit.
MystyrE's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 02:59
MystyrE
I always preferred the characters of Blazblue anyway so I don't really mind there isn't going to be another Guilty Gear. Now, start making an anime
AstralDrmz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 03:01
AstralDrmz
But I'm only 19. I want a true sequel, not just that half-assed RTS/Fighter. Dx
Master Chibi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 03:07
Master Chibi
This is pretty fucking stupid thing to tell your fans.

There's a difference between:

"We wanted to bring a new generation of gamers into the scene."

versus

"You withering fucks are old, we need new fans to squeeze money out of."

'Moving on' indeed.
L0LFAQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 03:26
L0LFAQ
Hey! you're never too old for Guilty Gear! Have it move parallel to BlazBlue, GG was the most technically amazing fighting series I have ever played!
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 03:33
atastysammich
Say whaaaat? But they just promised last year Guilty Gear had one more game in it!
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 03:36
Sexualchocolate
I don't get on with fighters, they don't like me and I don't like them.

But I just recently got the ps1 version of guilty gear free from psn, dropped it onto my psp and I'm loving that shit!!!

I'm 27 this year....
Kanten's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 04:18
Kanten
I think the real reason here is because Guilty Gear 2 sucked and tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
imDraxx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 05:08
imDraxx
Haven't had the chance to play Guilty Gear till recently with XX which I have enjoyed for its age. Never really played a fighting game my life ever since Mortal Kombat. After playing BlazBlue: CS however got me back into fighter games and love it.

I would like to see another Guilty Gear for the sake of its roster. But BlazBlue will always be my fighter game choice.
Erdrick's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 05:44
Erdrick
Too bad BlazBlue is crap compared to contemporary fighters.
Rekano's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 05:53
Rekano
Wow. Uhm, Im kinda hurt. Was holding out for a new one, I loved Guilty Gear.
Mechman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:07
Mechman
...I'm 25 years old, I have a desk in a cubicle, a 401(k), stock options, and spend my day worrying that I'm paying too much for insurance and working on getting a raise next year.
I come home for the weekend, I play the FUCK out of some games. Being a "grown up" just means that my gaming budget is bigger, not that I've outgrown gaming.
kevinsano's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:14
kevinsano
@Kanten
Guilty Gear 2 didn't try to fix what wasn't broken. It was just an entirely different game within the same story. If it were a fighting game you might have had a point.

@Cryotek
That doesn't seem to be true.

"At the moment, our "fighting pipline" is fully Blazblue - Continum Shift and the PSP version. However, Guilty Gear is not dead. Blazblue is not replacing the Guilty Gear series. I know there is a rumour that we have an issue with Sega regarding Guilty Gear. We dont! Daisuke Ishiwatari, the creator of GG, has full intention of developing a new Guilty Gear. I have full intention of making that happen. The question is, when, how and actually where?"
KrakHed69's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:21
KrakHed69
Hell I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 days..Yes I'm old...
I'm a business owner, I go to work every day, participate in outdoor sports every chance I get,and play games afterwords..
Just because you are old doesn't mean you can no longer have fun..
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:27
Epic-Kx
Woaaah. What's with all the hate towards SF3?
RudyChan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:28
RudyChan
Too bad the way that Blaz does it's story progression and game saving is a load of wank. Definitely not what I was looking for.
annoyinglad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:40
annoyinglad
Reminds me of that elderly Dragon Quest fan that passed away a while back. Was she too old to play games?
GoodlyMike's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 06:53
GoodlyMike
@annoyinglad

That made me sad...
Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 07:13
Morty
Well, let's just hope that some time there will be a BlazBlue-Guilty Gear-Crossover game. That'd be rad!
GundamJehutyKai's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 07:30
GundamJehutyKai
Err, it's Mori-San isn't it? Hori is the name of the arcade stick manufacturers!

There was also an interestin article in edge magazine a couple of month back where mori-San and ishiwatari San said that Guilty gear got to the point where they were debating whether or not to make a move a 3 frame move or a 5 frames and the change would have to be mastered for high level play. At that point, they realised that they went too far and a reboot would probably be a good idea!

And a crossover game won't happen. They pretty much said so themselves.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 07:57
Dv8thwonder
Guilty Gear>Blazblue #truthnotopinion

SF3>SFIV & SSFIV #truthnotopinion
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 08:24
fetusmilk
whelp looks like its time to sell my video game collection.

and what happens if your just now discovering GG, and your 30? still to old?

fuck this dude. your never to old for video games.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 08:54
Occams electric toothbrush
I agree with his intentions but not his point. Also, its all really a moot point when the burning question is why aren't there Guilty Gear art books available in the states.
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 09:01
LsTr Of SmG
Any context on this? It sounds a bit iffy but he may very well have been saying it semi-jokingly.

Assuming he wasn't it's a bit of a kick in the balls to some fans. As for moving on though, good for them. It's nice to see game companies taking a few risks.
metalgera's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 09:14
metalgera
Holmes, I dont fully agree with your theory of Capcom and SFIII. Yes, they did try to make a game for a new generation (an amazing one, BTW), but they did it within the same franchise, thats the reason a lot of people reacted that way.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 09:35
LittleBigD
That's strange. Playing video games makes me feel younger. And I like feeling younger. Should I not play Blaze Blue??
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 09:48
Fugly Duckling
I'm never too old for a witch with a guitar and a possessed hat that spews notes at opponents, or to be confused with the gender of Bridgette.
mooseifer69's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 09:59
mooseifer69
I hate being referred to as "the youth". Collectivism bulls**t like this. You're not you; you're "one of the young" or "one of the old". And once you pass the requirements for a certain quota, they cast you aside and the youth is still the youth while you're not and forgotten.

This actually makes me pretty angry.
Trygle12's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:19
Trygle12
It's true. I barely have time for MvC3 and that game is as easy as it gets.
NukaCola's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:24
NukaCola
BlazBlue isn't even close to the awesome feeling I had playing Guilty Gear. Can they just at least release a Guilty Gear XX Reload HD Remix with the same, awesome music, and leave it at that?
K-NESS's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:41
K-NESS
Guity gear vs blazblu enuff said

Ragna/sol badguy

Jin/Ky kiske

aracune/eddy/zappata

Blazblu goofy ninja is not chip zannuff

well make it happen arc systems
Onyx Oblivion's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:45
Onyx Oblivion
I want Blazblue vs Guilty Gear...
K-NESS's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:47
K-NESS
Edit:

People hate change that's the real issue with that said

VOLCANIC VIPER!!!! 4 LIFE :)
Ilostmycookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 10:55
Ilostmycookie
Too old to play games. NEVER *Grabs half life 2 and runs*
SixthHero's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:08
SixthHero
Too old for playing games, huh?

Looks like I get to skip on buying any more Arc Systems Works games then.
Keres's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:10
Keres
Except as recently as last week (or two?), Mori confirmed that there's a new Guilty Gear game coming at some point.
NaturalKi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:10
NaturalKi
Maybe something was lost in translation? Maybe he meant the best players have reached the height of mastering the game and stuff so they want to start again?

Anyways it's cool that they want to focus on their new series. hopefully GuiltyGear vs BlazBlue is on the way.

also, SFIII:TS rocks!
Kamanashi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:19
Kamanashi
I guess 19 is old now. D:
Michael Martin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:33
Michael Martin
"Too old to be playing video games," says the people developing and testing video games.

But yeah, to reiterate what's been said, moving on is fine. It's just the logic behind it that stings.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:51
RenegadePanda
I don't care what you say.

I'd hit that.
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:54
Paul Soth
The fuck...?
AllenR's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2011 11:54
AllenR
That sounds like a weak excuse to say that "they don't like the way we want to make Guilty Gear so we're just going to stop making it." With the way they want to make it being more akin to how Guilty Gear 2: Overture was.
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