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can read QR barcode ...... most things can do that.
Until they start obfuscating or putting encryption in their QR codes the fact that one game can read QR codes for another game is sorta meh.
Not going to pretend this game is anything original .... I dunno maybe its the fact that I got all angry about all the minecraft clones then I realized its pointless to be angry because unoriginality is rampant (read: I got over it).
And the most original Ideas I have seen come from people taking ideas from several different games/elements and combining them in new and interesting ways.
Until they start obfuscating or putting encryption in their QR codes the fact that one game can read QR codes for another game is sorta meh.
Not going to pretend this game is anything original .... I dunno maybe its the fact that I got all angry about all the minecraft clones then I realized its pointless to be angry because unoriginality is rampant (read: I got over it).
And the most original Ideas I have seen come from people taking ideas from several different games/elements and combining them in new and interesting ways.
Who cares? I've downloaded it, and it's kinda good made. Also, life is full of blatant copies. Amazing Alex is a copy of The Incredible Machine, and nobody says a shit.
And people like me who doesn't got a 3DS can play the game. It's perfect.
And people like me who doesn't got a 3DS can play the game. It's perfect.
@Scuffles "can read QR barcode ...... most things can do that." The problem is that stages created for pushmo by 3DS owners can be played on the ripoff, that's not acceptable
@kulapik "And people like me who doesn't got a 3DS can play the game. It's perfect." See, that's the problem
@kulapik "And people like me who doesn't got a 3DS can play the game. It's perfect." See, that's the problem
@santiagodelossantos
The question becomes, does Pushmo use a standard format for conveying data? OpenOffice can read documents created in MSOffcie, should the world now end?
One of those two is free and they are both clones of WordPerfect.
Hell more than half the user generated content for Pushmo seems to be taking known IPs and turning them into Pixel art.... how is that original? Yeah its fair use but original it is not.
And for that matter Pushmo seems to have been heavily "inspired" by Catherine..... so......... yeah.
The question becomes, does Pushmo use a standard format for conveying data? OpenOffice can read documents created in MSOffcie, should the world now end?
One of those two is free and they are both clones of WordPerfect.
Hell more than half the user generated content for Pushmo seems to be taking known IPs and turning them into Pixel art.... how is that original? Yeah its fair use but original it is not.
And for that matter Pushmo seems to have been heavily "inspired" by Catherine..... so......... yeah.
QR codes are something anyone can use. But, the use of it in this case is kind of shady. It's a clone of pushmo, and it can play user generated pushmo levels. Also, having played pushmo and catherine i have no idea how you can come up with that statement. Yes, they both have you pushing and pulling blocks, but overall it's pretty different. It's like saying Sonic the hedgehog is a blatant ripoff of mario just because they are both 2D platformers. This is more like mario vs Giana sisters. http://www.studio-quena.be/cyborgjeff/site/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/giana-sisters-screenshot.gif
"The person behind the Android game isn't charging BlockShift, so while he's not making a profit from it, he is still potentially harming Pushmo sales."
I dunno, is it this guys fault that people would rather play a simple game like this on their phones than they would on a seperate device? Nintendo isn't adapting to the modern world. If they wanted to put their games on iOS or Android they would, but they don't. At this point the "mobile" market is completely seperate form the handheld market. This guy is providing his own version of the game to people who would otherwise be unable to play it, I don't see what's wrong with that so long as he doesn't make a dime off of it. If Pushmo was already available on android and this guy was charging or running ads to profit off his clone then I'd see an issue, but as is it's just a nice alternative for those that don't have a 3DS.
As for the QR codes, if they wanted them to be more secure they could have been. An alternative would be the ability to just take a picture of some pixel art and auto-generate the map. It's a non-issue in either case.
I dunno, is it this guys fault that people would rather play a simple game like this on their phones than they would on a seperate device? Nintendo isn't adapting to the modern world. If they wanted to put their games on iOS or Android they would, but they don't. At this point the "mobile" market is completely seperate form the handheld market. This guy is providing his own version of the game to people who would otherwise be unable to play it, I don't see what's wrong with that so long as he doesn't make a dime off of it. If Pushmo was already available on android and this guy was charging or running ads to profit off his clone then I'd see an issue, but as is it's just a nice alternative for those that don't have a 3DS.
As for the QR codes, if they wanted them to be more secure they could have been. An alternative would be the ability to just take a picture of some pixel art and auto-generate the map. It's a non-issue in either case.
As long as he didn't rip code or art assets I actually don't see the problem. Reverse engineering data formats like he did with the qr code is perfectly legal. That this game is actually a pretty good copy and that it is (presumeably) written from scratch is even more impressive.
As long as he didn't rip code or art assets I actually don't see the problem. Reverse engineering data formats like he did with the qr code is perfectly legal. That this game is actually a pretty good copy and that it is (presumeably) written from scratch is even more impressive.
It's titles like these that give mobile games a terrible image to those people who still don't accept them as a great platform for games. Shame. Regardless, it looks like a well done port, so I'll be getting this before it goes away. Thanks for the Tails puzzle too, I'll be sure to put that in my Pushmo when I can.
@kulapik: You are a dick !
The "developer" even commented on GoNintendo to state, that his only intention was to practice developing games and he really admires Nintendo.
I hope they sue him and he has to pay for this shit.
The "developer" even commented on GoNintendo to state, that his only intention was to practice developing games and he really admires Nintendo.
I hope they sue him and he has to pay for this shit.
@Scuffles
Yes, but the gameplay between Catherine and Pushmo aren't exactly the same. Arguably pretty different. I mean, yeah you pull blocks out to ascend, but in Pushmo the puzzles are based around pictures, you aren't just pulling out squares, you aren't avoiding enemies, etc. Plus the entirety of Pushmo's gameplay is based around this.
Now... BlockShift, on the other hand....
We're not talking about this "BlockShift" being inspired by Pushmo, we're talking about it completely, undeniably ripping it off. I mean, look at it. It doesn't seem to be changing it at all and it even has that same sort of camera angle. Only difference is the crappy flash aesthetic.
At least it's free.
And why are we bringing user-generated content into the argument?
Yes, but the gameplay between Catherine and Pushmo aren't exactly the same. Arguably pretty different. I mean, yeah you pull blocks out to ascend, but in Pushmo the puzzles are based around pictures, you aren't just pulling out squares, you aren't avoiding enemies, etc. Plus the entirety of Pushmo's gameplay is based around this.
Now... BlockShift, on the other hand....
We're not talking about this "BlockShift" being inspired by Pushmo, we're talking about it completely, undeniably ripping it off. I mean, look at it. It doesn't seem to be changing it at all and it even has that same sort of camera angle. Only difference is the crappy flash aesthetic.
At least it's free.
And why are we bringing user-generated content into the argument?
Is fan art okay? Like drawing the sprites, environments, and characters from games?
What about fan films? We see those all the time.
But once you make it interactive, and just like fanart and fan films, release it for free and for fun, you're not just a fan, you're a thief?
What about fan films? We see those all the time.
But once you make it interactive, and just like fanart and fan films, release it for free and for fun, you're not just a fan, you're a thief?
@caramelzappa But the problem is that this is a Nintendo developed Nintendo 3DS exclusive, what would be the point of owning a handheld if everyone made clones of said handheld's games and put them on ios and android for free. It's bad for business. And why would Nintendo put their games on iOS/android devices? It wouldn't be adapting to the modern world, it would be suicide for their handheld and eventually their home console business.
@caramelzappa
This isn't Pushmo: A Fan-Made Game.
But whatever it may be, it just seems ever so sleazy.
This isn't Pushmo: A Fan-Made Game.
But whatever it may be, it just seems ever so sleazy.
My last comment was a response to your previous comment.
This isn't exactly fan art. Originally it was described as a unique puzzle platformer, giving the impression that he created the idea. Lots of people said that it was a fantastic time waster, some wanted to donate money, and other said that why buy dedicated handhelds when you can get games from talented developers such as this. It's impressive that he was able to copy the game down to the QR codes, and i don't think he meant ill, but still, it's not right and it's taking potential sales from the game. I'm all for fan art, fan films, fan projects, etc. But when you are copying a game without adding anything substantial that is still in the market, you are doing more damage than good.
This isn't exactly fan art. Originally it was described as a unique puzzle platformer, giving the impression that he created the idea. Lots of people said that it was a fantastic time waster, some wanted to donate money, and other said that why buy dedicated handhelds when you can get games from talented developers such as this. It's impressive that he was able to copy the game down to the QR codes, and i don't think he meant ill, but still, it's not right and it's taking potential sales from the game. I'm all for fan art, fan films, fan projects, etc. But when you are copying a game without adding anything substantial that is still in the market, you are doing more damage than good.
Look I certainly don't fault anyone for finding this game unsavory but the sad fact is it technically hasn't done anything wrong. Morally questionable yes, wrong no.
Would it have been any better or worse if they had gone with a desert/pyramid theme for their base block set and called it pharaoh or the likes?
It will be a sad day when and if you can ever copyright/patent a game play mechanic because that is the day ALL originality dies. As nothing is "original" everything has been done before all you have in reality is the application of existing mechanics in novel ways.
Would it have been any better or worse if they had gone with a desert/pyramid theme for their base block set and called it pharaoh or the likes?
It will be a sad day when and if you can ever copyright/patent a game play mechanic because that is the day ALL originality dies. As nothing is "original" everything has been done before all you have in reality is the application of existing mechanics in novel ways.
@Scuffles i agree that game ideas/mechanics shouldn't be copyrighten, but this ripoff isn't going to push the industry forward. It's not trying anything new, it's just a direct port to android with his own artstyle which seems familiar as well.
@Scuffles
Actually, yes, it would be better.
And games can borrow mechanics. That's fine. But, when we have two games that entirely revolve around the same exact novel mechanic, it's a bit different.
I mean, I guess it is sort of a slippery slope. I mean, we've had games evolve into entire genres and whatnot.
I mean, I'm not "pissed" about this. Especially seeing how it's free, but eh... I guess it's best to leave it alone.
Actually, yes, it would be better.
And games can borrow mechanics. That's fine. But, when we have two games that entirely revolve around the same exact novel mechanic, it's a bit different.
I mean, I guess it is sort of a slippery slope. I mean, we've had games evolve into entire genres and whatnot.
I mean, I'm not "pissed" about this. Especially seeing how it's free, but eh... I guess it's best to leave it alone.
@Scuffles: The problem is not, that it took "inspiration" or was "inspired" by Pushmo, rather than beeing a 1 to 1 copy (gameplay wise ) of Pushmo and even looking almost identical.
You act like BallsShift took a gameplay machanic from Pushmo and used it (like regenerating health from Halo or the lock on camera of Zelda: OoT) which is not the case, it copied the gameplay almost 100%.
You act like BallsShift took a gameplay machanic from Pushmo and used it (like regenerating health from Halo or the lock on camera of Zelda: OoT) which is not the case, it copied the gameplay almost 100%.
Hey developer here!
I'm well aware of how much I suck, but im just one developer(1 man developer) who was inspired by everything Intelligent Systems and Nintendo make.
I'm not saying this is my idea at all. I made this game only to test myself to see what I can do on my own.
I saw a lot of people's complaints about pushmo and I tried to add a few (online database for level sharing, special blocks(vines and hopefully a lot more to come), convert images from your gallery and convert them to levels) changes to make the game more fun.
I also tried my hardest not to copy any levels pushmo made and had a lot of help creating brand new levels.
The biggest point of all is that the game is free for anyone to play, and I hope anyone that plays my game highly considers buying a 3ds and getting pushmo for the real experience.
Thanks for all the comments, I know where you are all coming from and I agree for the most part, I just wanted to learn so I copied the best of the best.
Again I do plan on adding more block types and making it somewhat more different then Pushmo
I'm well aware of how much I suck, but im just one developer(1 man developer) who was inspired by everything Intelligent Systems and Nintendo make.
I'm not saying this is my idea at all. I made this game only to test myself to see what I can do on my own.
I saw a lot of people's complaints about pushmo and I tried to add a few (online database for level sharing, special blocks(vines and hopefully a lot more to come), convert images from your gallery and convert them to levels) changes to make the game more fun.
I also tried my hardest not to copy any levels pushmo made and had a lot of help creating brand new levels.
The biggest point of all is that the game is free for anyone to play, and I hope anyone that plays my game highly considers buying a 3ds and getting pushmo for the real experience.
Thanks for all the comments, I know where you are all coming from and I agree for the most part, I just wanted to learn so I copied the best of the best.
Again I do plan on adding more block types and making it somewhat more different then Pushmo
@caramelzappa
"Is fan art okay? Like drawing the sprites, environments, and characters from games? What about fan films? We see those all the time."
First, these things work under completely different rules due to their very nature. Fan art, as in 100% original work derived from an intelectual property for non-profit is generally OK. Same with Fan Films.
Sprite Work, specially the duplicated or ripped kind, is ONLY OK when the actual owner of the intellectual property permits or gives written consent. They are not acceptable by default.
Also, comparing copying sprites from 10 to 20 year old games to OUTRIGHT COPING AN ENTIRE game concept from last yeas is not exactly equivalent.
"Is fan art okay? Like drawing the sprites, environments, and characters from games? What about fan films? We see those all the time."
First, these things work under completely different rules due to their very nature. Fan art, as in 100% original work derived from an intelectual property for non-profit is generally OK. Same with Fan Films.
Sprite Work, specially the duplicated or ripped kind, is ONLY OK when the actual owner of the intellectual property permits or gives written consent. They are not acceptable by default.
Also, comparing copying sprites from 10 to 20 year old games to OUTRIGHT COPING AN ENTIRE game concept from last yeas is not exactly equivalent.
@AptInteractive
If you're reading this, I have a suggestion. Of course, you could be on other sites trying do defend yourself, so I don't blame you if you don't do this because you didn't see this comment. Take the game off of the Google Play Market, and take it to something like, I dunno, TIGsource, or make a small blog somewhere. If you're really going to try and make this into something more differentiable, that's pretty awesome, but until it is, I'd consider taking it down for the sake of not getting yourself into a legal battle. Places like TIGsource would be fine with playing something and giving feedback, so if that's what you're looking for here, I'd go elsewhere so you get a lot less attention. If you make it something different enough, hell, admit your inspirations and release it on the Market again.
You need to differentiate yourself enough to really consider it OK, and even though it's bullshit, it doesn't help that Pushmo isn't very old. If it was an older game out of it's copyright, or one Nintendo bludgeoned to death with sequels (I say that lovingly), it would be more okay, honestly.
If you're reading this, I have a suggestion. Of course, you could be on other sites trying do defend yourself, so I don't blame you if you don't do this because you didn't see this comment. Take the game off of the Google Play Market, and take it to something like, I dunno, TIGsource, or make a small blog somewhere. If you're really going to try and make this into something more differentiable, that's pretty awesome, but until it is, I'd consider taking it down for the sake of not getting yourself into a legal battle. Places like TIGsource would be fine with playing something and giving feedback, so if that's what you're looking for here, I'd go elsewhere so you get a lot less attention. If you make it something different enough, hell, admit your inspirations and release it on the Market again.
You need to differentiate yourself enough to really consider it OK, and even though it's bullshit, it doesn't help that Pushmo isn't very old. If it was an older game out of it's copyright, or one Nintendo bludgeoned to death with sequels (I say that lovingly), it would be more okay, honestly.
I'm downloading the shit out of this. Sorry guys, my 3ds is gone (not my doing) and I miss the hell out of pushmo.
Wow look at all you assholes. None of you are some voice of videogames.
Scuffles you know your shit and i couldnt agree more.
Aptinteractive keep doing what your doing! Very impressive what youve done and i wish you all the luck in the future:-)
Scuffles you know your shit and i couldnt agree more.
Aptinteractive keep doing what your doing! Very impressive what youve done and i wish you all the luck in the future:-)
It's one thing to be "inspired," it's downright sleazy to blatantly steal a feature designed specifically for another product.
Pretty much nailed it Hamza
Pretty much nailed it Hamza
@Scuffles It's not that the QR codes can be read, it's that they work in the game. That makes it a direct clone of Pushmo. It's one thing to be inspired by a game, it's another to make a flagrant copy of it and call it your own.
Well at least it wasnt some company as big as Zynga, I mean he is one person, not some major company. Fun game at but really similar to pushmo. Plus the big thing is its free and he is not making money where a big company would have made bank.
you all say Blockshift copied Pushmo whose to say Pushmo didnt copy Cathrine on Xbox 360/PS3 that has the same block elements where you solve puzzles. Another thing the game Devil World for NES is Miayamotos first NES game and its a clone of pac man very similar the man who made mario and zelda copied stuff when he first started too.
The dev added the Vine block that adds a new element and makes it different and above he said he was adding new block type to make it even more different.
you all say Blockshift copied Pushmo whose to say Pushmo didnt copy Cathrine on Xbox 360/PS3 that has the same block elements where you solve puzzles. Another thing the game Devil World for NES is Miayamotos first NES game and its a clone of pac man very similar the man who made mario and zelda copied stuff when he first started too.
The dev added the Vine block that adds a new element and makes it different and above he said he was adding new block type to make it even more different.
Oh buhu. Pushmo is half a year old and wasn't released on Android. Most of its sales it already has done. So whats the deal? I actually got interested in the game thanks to the article, otherwise i would never have known about it. And as i haven't got a nintendo console, i would have never been able to play the game. So stop crying for justice, get over your childish fanboyism and accept that Nintendo has enough money so they will hardly feel the loss of sales...
Seriously, talking of first world problems!
Seriously, talking of first world problems!
@badoli it's people like you that cause console wars (and a whole bunch of other issues with creative media). Instead of going out, trying out a new system and giving it a decent opinion, you sit there and wait for something similar, or in this case a blatant rip-off, to come to your existing device. You try to justify it by acting all innocent saying 'I would love this game but I don't want to buy the console', and that would be fine, but you don't even care where your game comes from, how long people worked on it, how many people slaved over it, not to mention the money spent on producing it, only for it to be cloned, ported and it's name ruined, losing sales.
Companies go bust like this, men and women lose their jobs because of asshole 'developers' who think they can get away with it by c+v'ing the same fucking apology over every bad press story.
Copyright people. It exists for a reason.
Companies go bust like this, men and women lose their jobs because of asshole 'developers' who think they can get away with it by c+v'ing the same fucking apology over every bad press story.
Copyright people. It exists for a reason.
This is all self serving bullshit. If you really don't mean to offend the publisher then take it down and ask for their permission. Don't use it as publicity to get your name started. Because that's exactly how it comes off. You're not charging for it because you know you will get sued so you pur it up for free to get attention.
This article, and the comments, really show how little people actually know about technology.
QR codes are not proprietary. Nintendo didn't invent them, using them to build levels in a game is not something anyone can own. It's like bitching about Audiosurf and Beat Hazard both using music to generate levels.
The rampant Nintendo fanboyism displayed here is disgusting.
QR codes are not proprietary. Nintendo didn't invent them, using them to build levels in a game is not something anyone can own. It's like bitching about Audiosurf and Beat Hazard both using music to generate levels.
The rampant Nintendo fanboyism displayed here is disgusting.
@Swagger T Daniels
Couple of things:
Devil World isn't Miyamoto's first NES game, it's Takashi Tezuka's first game. Miyamoto's first NES game was Donkey Kong 3 and his first game is, as we all know, Donkey Kong, a 100% original idea.
And while it's hard to deny that Devil World is an obvious Pacman knock-off, calling it a "clone" is a stretch.
Similarly, implying that Pushmo copies Catherine has got to be one of the biggest leaps in logic I have seen in a while. Might as well say these games copy Solomon's Key and Adventure of Lolo.
And just adding one or two new ideas while keeping everything else, including the aesthetic, exactly the same? Sorry, no free pass.
I'll grant that the guy probably didn't mean to do anything wrong, but whether or not he did is up to the parties involved, not us.
Couple of things:
Devil World isn't Miyamoto's first NES game, it's Takashi Tezuka's first game. Miyamoto's first NES game was Donkey Kong 3 and his first game is, as we all know, Donkey Kong, a 100% original idea.
And while it's hard to deny that Devil World is an obvious Pacman knock-off, calling it a "clone" is a stretch.
Similarly, implying that Pushmo copies Catherine has got to be one of the biggest leaps in logic I have seen in a while. Might as well say these games copy Solomon's Key and Adventure of Lolo.
And just adding one or two new ideas while keeping everything else, including the aesthetic, exactly the same? Sorry, no free pass.
I'll grant that the guy probably didn't mean to do anything wrong, but whether or not he did is up to the parties involved, not us.
@Clowbog Beborp
"QR codes are not proprietary."
The image formatting to transmit the data is a worlwide standard. The DATA it transmits is not, and unless Nintendo has given you an open license to use the data that these Q Codes distribute, you can't use it.
A QR Code is just a string of bytes arranged as a black and white image. The program that reads it must know what type of data it is to interpret it. The fact that the Copy Game can interpret it exactly as the original program is just evidence that it's probably ether copying the game's code or genuinely attempting to work exactly like it, and that, too, is a copyright violation.
"QR codes are not proprietary."
The image formatting to transmit the data is a worlwide standard. The DATA it transmits is not, and unless Nintendo has given you an open license to use the data that these Q Codes distribute, you can't use it.
A QR Code is just a string of bytes arranged as a black and white image. The program that reads it must know what type of data it is to interpret it. The fact that the Copy Game can interpret it exactly as the original program is just evidence that it's probably ether copying the game's code or genuinely attempting to work exactly like it, and that, too, is a copyright violation.
I have difficulty saying this is a "ripoff". If it has the exact same puzzles as Pushmo, then yes, it's a ripoff. But the video shows off puzzles which are unique to this game. I haven't finished Pushmo, and I haven't played this game, but I think a developer can take a unique idea from another developer and expand on it to create a unique product of their own. For example, you could say that Banjo-Kazooie was a "ripoff" of Super Mario 64. In both games you go into big worlds, jump around, collect gold things, jump on enemies, etc. It's a silly comparison, because Rare took a unique idea from Super Mario 64, and put its own spin on it.
I'm currently working with a team to develop a game that uses a very similar mechanic to another flash game which itself has a mechanic unique to that game. The game we took the idea from was a fun, but short little experience. We are taking the idea and expanding it, adding new elements and ideas of our own to flesh out the idea more than the original idea did. Are we "ripping it off"? I would argue that no, we aren't. Although the particular mechanic used in gameplay is unique to only one game thus far, the games will be completely distinct from each other. If we were ripping the levels off of the original game, then yes, that would be ripping it off. But no, we're designing a new experience-- just around the same mechanic.
What I'm trying to say is, I don't think games that use similar (even identical) mechanics are necessarily automatically "ripoffs". It's how the developer decides to implement those mechanics that will make the "inspired" game unique.
I'm currently working with a team to develop a game that uses a very similar mechanic to another flash game which itself has a mechanic unique to that game. The game we took the idea from was a fun, but short little experience. We are taking the idea and expanding it, adding new elements and ideas of our own to flesh out the idea more than the original idea did. Are we "ripping it off"? I would argue that no, we aren't. Although the particular mechanic used in gameplay is unique to only one game thus far, the games will be completely distinct from each other. If we were ripping the levels off of the original game, then yes, that would be ripping it off. But no, we're designing a new experience-- just around the same mechanic.
What I'm trying to say is, I don't think games that use similar (even identical) mechanics are necessarily automatically "ripoffs". It's how the developer decides to implement those mechanics that will make the "inspired" game unique.
All downloading this does is hurt the reputation of the iOS/Android development community. It also makes me want to give Apple and Google less support because they clearly have no respect and don't bother checking to see what's original and what's blatantly stolen before putting it up on the market.
Basically, its proves all the more there is a need for licensing and authentication in these markets, even though its not a perfect system. The more so-called "indies" that steal and copypasta games, the closer we come to a licensing system that hurts the real independents. Just remember that when you download it. The gold rush of the iOS/Android market will not last forever.
Basically, its proves all the more there is a need for licensing and authentication in these markets, even though its not a perfect system. The more so-called "indies" that steal and copypasta games, the closer we come to a licensing system that hurts the real independents. Just remember that when you download it. The gold rush of the iOS/Android market will not last forever.
@El Conrado http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto Devil World was Miayamotos first NES game even when he started he copied. Don't get to hurt there super fan boy.
I have an android, and have yet to buy Pushmo.
Still buying Pushmo, won't be downloading this.
@avid supporters
Lets allow all games to be copied this way... Uncharted would be pretty awesome for free on android, as would Halo. Hell, someone get me the story script from FF7 and I'll fund the remake you all have been wanting for... and give it away on the iPod.
But don't worry: I'll change the color of everyones hair and rename them so it won't be an exact copy.
Look, this isn't evil or wrong, certainly not to the extent that many here are saying. But is it something we want to actively tout as being 100% okay as well? Is it something you would appreciate if it was one of your favorite games, and the original maker was damaged as a result?
Maybe if the guy was Chinese, like in the case of the Super Mario Galaxy ripoff incident more people would be upset...^_^;
Still buying Pushmo, won't be downloading this.
@avid supporters
Lets allow all games to be copied this way... Uncharted would be pretty awesome for free on android, as would Halo. Hell, someone get me the story script from FF7 and I'll fund the remake you all have been wanting for... and give it away on the iPod.
But don't worry: I'll change the color of everyones hair and rename them so it won't be an exact copy.
Look, this isn't evil or wrong, certainly not to the extent that many here are saying. But is it something we want to actively tout as being 100% okay as well? Is it something you would appreciate if it was one of your favorite games, and the original maker was damaged as a result?
Maybe if the guy was Chinese, like in the case of the Super Mario Galaxy ripoff incident more people would be upset...^_^;
Also, if this guy was able to do this on his own, then that is quite impressive.
Good Job. ^_^ We need as many talents in this industry as we can get.
Good Job. ^_^ We need as many talents in this industry as we can get.
@Swagger T Daniels
Donkey Kong 3, July 4, 1984
Devil World, October 5, 1984
Check a calendar.
P.S.: He started with Donkey Kong, you dolt.
Donkey Kong 3, July 4, 1984
Devil World, October 5, 1984
Check a calendar.
P.S.: He started with Donkey Kong, you dolt.
@Jenstagib
A "copyright" covers an intellectual property, including code, art and it's function.
So yeah, "gameplay" is Copy-protected.
A "copyright" covers an intellectual property, including code, art and it's function.
So yeah, "gameplay" is Copy-protected.
@El Conrado OO I was off 2 months big deal, the point is even Miaymoto copied games. Still sad that he did to. Also you cant copyright gameplay, if you there would only be one FPS. Also you know how many FPS now use perks, attachements and so on. Everyone copies everyone. The guys not making any money, did this to learn and see if he could. So big deal.
And for all that say hosting sprites and other levels from another game is such a big deal. What about games like team fortress 2 and Counter strike and all pc games that have mods and custom maps that rip assests like sound and art directly. They are hosted but its okay right? TF2 has tons of mario themed levels. Point is everyone even greats like Miaymoto copied other games.
And for all that say hosting sprites and other levels from another game is such a big deal. What about games like team fortress 2 and Counter strike and all pc games that have mods and custom maps that rip assests like sound and art directly. They are hosted but its okay right? TF2 has tons of mario themed levels. Point is everyone even greats like Miaymoto copied other games.
@Swagger T Daniels
1) You don't seem to understand CopyRight law. That's ok, most people don't.
You CAN copyright gameplay and gameplay systems. Many companies do. The thing is they don't bother to ENFORCE those copyrights. Wolfenstein 3D was released as shareware, opening the gate to modders, making the copyright over the 1st person perspective unenforceable. This happens all the time. Copyrights are powerless unless the owner actively enforces them.
Which takes me to the next point, mods. Have you ever bothered to read a moddable game's User License? Mods are legal because the company that makes the game ALLOWS them to be made by the fanbase, because they have more to gain from the positive buzz than protecting their code.
Nintendo won't throw you a "cease and desist" over a fan created level or even game unless it tarnishes the brand. THAT'S why these things exist, because:
A) the content owner allows it, or
B) because the content owner lacks the power or drive to enforce his own copyrights.
That's it, period.
As for the whole "Miyamoto copies games": anyone trying to equate grabbing some gameplay elements from one game and making another, to OUTRIGHT DUPLICATING A GAME, is an idiot.
Copying gameplay elements? Happens all the time, and it's ok. Cloning a game? That's not what Devil World is and claiming that it is proves you never played it.
Case closed.
1) You don't seem to understand CopyRight law. That's ok, most people don't.
You CAN copyright gameplay and gameplay systems. Many companies do. The thing is they don't bother to ENFORCE those copyrights. Wolfenstein 3D was released as shareware, opening the gate to modders, making the copyright over the 1st person perspective unenforceable. This happens all the time. Copyrights are powerless unless the owner actively enforces them.
Which takes me to the next point, mods. Have you ever bothered to read a moddable game's User License? Mods are legal because the company that makes the game ALLOWS them to be made by the fanbase, because they have more to gain from the positive buzz than protecting their code.
Nintendo won't throw you a "cease and desist" over a fan created level or even game unless it tarnishes the brand. THAT'S why these things exist, because:
A) the content owner allows it, or
B) because the content owner lacks the power or drive to enforce his own copyrights.
That's it, period.
As for the whole "Miyamoto copies games": anyone trying to equate grabbing some gameplay elements from one game and making another, to OUTRIGHT DUPLICATING A GAME, is an idiot.
Copying gameplay elements? Happens all the time, and it's ok. Cloning a game? That's not what Devil World is and claiming that it is proves you never played it.
Case closed.
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